Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-12 Thread Christopher Chan
>> uscpi-tcp? Where does that come in? rsyncing of the cdb file? > > It's mostly to allow BIND sites to do zone transfers from djbdns sites. > Oh the axfr-dns daemon. This is the answer for the 'djbdns does not support tcp or zone transfer' nonsense routinely vomited by DJB haters. ___

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-12 Thread Bill Campbell
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009, Christopher Chan wrote: > >> FWIW, to bring this back to the djbdns topic, the *ONLY* configuration file >> in our OpenPKG packaging of djbdns, daemontools, and ucspi-tcp is the >> dnsroots.global file used by dnscache. Each server installed is in its own >> directory which i

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-12 Thread Christopher Chan
> FWIW, to bring this back to the djbdns topic, the *ONLY* configuration file > in our OpenPKG packaging of djbdns, daemontools, and ucspi-tcp is the > dnsroots.global file used by dnscache. Each server installed is in its own > directory which is not affected by updates. > uscpi-tcp? Where do

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-12 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009, Les Mikesell wrote: >Bill Campbell wrote: >> Of course we don't do things that are likely to take a critical service down without proper prior planning (often found out the hard way on our own systems :-). If an update is likely to have an impact on operations,

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-12 Thread Les Mikesell
Kai Schaetzl wrote: > James B. Byrne wrote on Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:31:39 -0500 (EST): > >> I cannot answer whether this situation is still the case, and I know >> that it was not always the case, but on the last but one update to >> bind my configuration files were all renamed to .rpmsave and there

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-12 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Nicolas Thierry-Mieg wrote on Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:16:14 +0100: > AFAIK this is not correct, a package upgrade can create either of these > (or both, or neither of them despite your having edited a file). And > that's the way it should be, either choice can be justified. Sure, a apckage can do a

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-12 Thread Kai Schaetzl
James B. Byrne wrote on Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:31:39 -0500 (EST): > I cannot answer whether this situation is still the case, and I know > that it was not always the case, but on the last but one update to > bind my configuration files were all renamed to .rpmsave and there > were no .rpmnew files cr

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-12 Thread Les Mikesell
Bill Campbell wrote: > >>> Of course we don't do things that are likely to take a critical service >>> down without proper prior planning (often found out the hard way on our own >>> systems :-). If an update is likely to have an impact on operations, it is >>> scheduled during a maintenance windo

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-12 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009, Les Mikesell wrote: >Bill Campbell wrote: >> That sounds like the kiss of death for any critical service. Can't it figure out ahead of time that this is going to happen and let the service keep running unchanged with a warning message about needing the

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-12 Thread Les Mikesell
Bill Campbell wrote: > >>> That sounds like the kiss of death for any critical service. Can't it >>> figure out ahead of time that this is going to happen and let the >>> service keep running unchanged with a warning message about needing the >>> update instead? >> You're missing the point. If

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-12 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009, Ian Forde wrote: >On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 11:08 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: >> That sounds like the kiss of death for any critical service. Can't it >> figure out ahead of time that this is going to happen and let the >> service keep running unchanged with a warning message ab

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-12 Thread Ian Forde
On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 11:08 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > That sounds like the kiss of death for any critical service. Can't it > figure out ahead of time that this is going to happen and let the > service keep running unchanged with a warning message about needing the > update instead? You're

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-12 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009, Les Mikesell wrote: >Bill Campbell wrote: >> > locate rpmsave > locate rpmnew rpmsave is left from *un*installations, rpmnew is the *new* file, there is no file overwritten. rpm usually doesn't overwrite files if they got changed. >>> AFAIK this

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-12 Thread James B. Byrne
Message-ID: On: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:31:23 +0100, Kai Schaetzl wrote: > > Ian Forde wrote on Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:01:21 -0800: > >> locate rpmsave >> locate rpmnew > > rpmsave is left from *un*installations, rpmnew is the *new* file, > there is no file overwritten. rpm usually doesn't overwrite fi

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-12 Thread Les Mikesell
Bill Campbell wrote: > >>> locate rpmsave locate rpmnew >>> rpmsave is left from *un*installations, rpmnew is the *new* file, there is >>> no file overwritten. rpm usually doesn't overwrite files if they got >>> changed. >> AFAIK this is not correct, a package upgrade can create either

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-12 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009, Nicolas Thierry-Mieg wrote: > > >Kai Schaetzl wrote: >> Ian Forde wrote on Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:01:21 -0800: >> >>> locate rpmsave >>> locate rpmnew >> >> rpmsave is left from *un*installations, rpmnew is the *new* file, there is >> no file overwritten. rpm usually doesn't o

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-12 Thread Nicolas Thierry-Mieg
Kai Schaetzl wrote: > Ian Forde wrote on Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:01:21 -0800: > >> locate rpmsave >> locate rpmnew > > rpmsave is left from *un*installations, rpmnew is the *new* file, there is > no file overwritten. rpm usually doesn't overwrite files if they got > changed. AFAIK this is not c

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-12 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Ian Forde wrote on Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:01:21 -0800: > locate rpmsave > locate rpmnew rpmsave is left from *un*installations, rpmnew is the *new* file, there is no file overwritten. rpm usually doesn't overwrite files if they got changed. And I haven't seen any overwrites with all the bind updat

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-11 Thread Ian Forde
On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 17:34 -0500, James B. Byrne wrote: > With one very large caveat. > > Be aware that updating bind via yum can result in your existing bind > configuration files being renamed to something.rmpsave and your name > server left in a dysfunctional state. I suggest that you consider

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-11 Thread Florin Andrei
James B. Byrne wrote: > > Be aware that updating bind via yum can result in your existing bind > configuration files being renamed to something.rmpsave and your name > server left in a dysfunctional state. I suggest that you consider > excluding bind from normal updates and only update it when you

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-11 Thread James B. Byrne
Message-ID: <4991e3b7.6090...@andrei.myip.org> On: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:29:43 -0800, Florin Andrei wrote: >Jake wrote: >> >> We're about to start moving our public DNS to in-house managed >> servers. My first thought was "Linux + BIND" and we're done. >> Someone in another business unit's IT dept

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-10 Thread Florin Andrei
Jake wrote: > > We're about to start moving our public DNS to in-house managed > servers. My first thought was "Linux + BIND" and we're done. Someone > in another business unit's IT dept. has suggested tinydns be used. Here's the straight dope: There was a time (circa 2000) when tinydns had a re

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-09 Thread Gregory P. Ennis
On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 15:07 -0500, Jake wrote: > Thank you very much for all of your feedback. It really sounds like i > got two general replies: > > "eh, I wouldn't use it" (a minority) and "We do some complicated stuff > to make it meet our needs and we love it." (majority) > > For us, ease of

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-09 Thread Christopher Chan
Jake wrote: > Good morning: > > We're about to start moving our public DNS to in-house managed > servers. My first thought was "Linux + BIND" and we're done. Someone > in another business unit's IT dept. has suggested tinydns be used. >>From what I could find, it looks like this software hasn't re

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-09 Thread Ray Van Dolson
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 03:07:30PM -0500, Jake wrote: > Thank you very much for all of your feedback. It really sounds like i > got two general replies: > > "eh, I wouldn't use it" (a minority) and "We do some complicated stuff > to make it meet our needs and we love it." (majority) > > For us, e

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-09 Thread Jake
Thank you very much for all of your feedback. It really sounds like i got two general replies: "eh, I wouldn't use it" (a minority) and "We do some complicated stuff to make it meet our needs and we love it." (majority) For us, ease of management is really key to having success with our technical

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-09 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009, Rainer Duffner wrote: >Ray Van Dolson schrieb: >> On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 07:58:38AM -0800, cen...@911networks.com wrote: >> > > >The problem is that it is not very modular. > >You must decided on which features (=patches) you want to incorporate >and then build the RPM acc

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-09 Thread Les Mikesell
cen...@911networks.com wrote: > >> >From what I could find, it looks like this software hasn't really >>> had >> any community drive behind it in a while. The latest RPMs on >> rpmforge are for red hat 6 and red hat 7. I very much dislike the >> idea of compiling my own because of all the overhead

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-09 Thread Rainer Duffner
Ray Van Dolson schrieb: > On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 07:58:38AM -0800, cen...@911networks.com wrote: > The problem is that it is not very modular. You must decided on which features (=patches) you want to incorporate and then build the RPM accordingly. We use tinydns+dnscache almost exclusively

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-09 Thread Ray Van Dolson
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 07:58:38AM -0800, cen...@911networks.com wrote: > On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:22:42 -0500 > Jake wrote: > > > >From what I could find, it looks like this software hasn't really > > >had > > any community drive behind it in a while. The latest RPMs on > > rpmforge are for red hat

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-09 Thread centos
On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:22:42 -0500 Jake wrote: > >From what I could find, it looks like this software hasn't really > >had > any community drive behind it in a while. The latest RPMs on > rpmforge are for red hat 6 and red hat 7. I very much dislike the > idea of compiling my own because of all th

Re: [CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-09 Thread Rainer Duffner
Jake schrieb: > Good morning: > > We're about to start moving our public DNS to in-house managed > servers. My first thought was "Linux + BIND" and we're done. Someone > in another business unit's IT dept. has suggested tinydns be used. > >From what I could find, it looks like this software hasn't

[CentOS] tinydns/djbdns opinion poll

2009-02-09 Thread Jake
Good morning: We're about to start moving our public DNS to in-house managed servers. My first thought was "Linux + BIND" and we're done. Someone in another business unit's IT dept. has suggested tinydns be used. >From what I could find, it looks like this software hasn't really had any community