Re: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-25 Thread Christopher Chan
Linux wrote: On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 3:16 AM, Christopher Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I believe you cannot do it via the installer yet. Can anybody confirm the presence of raid10 personality in Centos 5? Installer does not have raid10 as an option. Not sure whether boot cd has this module

Re: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-25 Thread Linux
On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 3:16 AM, Christopher Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I believe you cannot do it via the installer yet. Can anybody confirm the > presence of raid10 personality in Centos 5? Installer does not have raid10 as an option. Not sure whether boot cd has this module or not. But a

Re: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-25 Thread Christopher Chan
Just asking. I don't use CentOS as a desktop OS, so the firefox problem doesn't bother me at all, but CentOS 5 is an upgrade in many regards, and I find it very stable. I have yet to try RAID10 with it though, as soon as I can get my hands on enough spare HDD's :) I believe you cannot do i

Re: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-25 Thread Rudi Ahlers
Christopher Chan wrote: Why are you still using CentOS 4? Do you have an issue with Centos 4? I prefer to wait for RH to work most of the kinks with their new releases. Centos 5 has new versions of various libraries and software. They have never been able to guarantee zero breakage. Eg: I

Re: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-25 Thread Christopher Chan
Why are you still using CentOS 4? Do you have an issue with Centos 4? I prefer to wait for RH to work most of the kinks with their new releases. Centos 5 has new versions of various libraries and software. They have never been able to guarantee zero breakage. Eg: I have heard of constantly

Re: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-25 Thread Rudi Ahlers
Christopher Chan wrote: So they say, and correct me if i'm wrong, that RAID10 is a RAID 1 of RAID 0. A mirror of stripe sets. You said it's not that, i lost you on this one. Heh, I dare say most of us are lost on this one. It is a blinking new module for md that is not available on Ce

Re: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-25 Thread Christopher Chan
So they say, and correct me if i'm wrong, that RAID10 is a RAID 1 of RAID 0. A mirror of stripe sets. You said it's not that, i lost you on this one. Heh, I dare say most of us are lost on this one. It is a blinking new module for md that is not available on Centos 4. This should help

Re: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-25 Thread Christopher Chan
Linux wrote: On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:19 AM, Christopher Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And stick with md-raid 10 (also known as software raid) because it is much more intelligently designed than any closed-source-embedded-raid-controller. This was valid until...quite a few years ago. Has h

Re: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-25 Thread Christopher Chan
Ok, so it stripping a mirror more redundant then, from what you say? But, it's limited to pairs of 4 HDD's, which means a bigger chassis, and a mobo / PCI controller that can support 8 HDD's if I want to add more? Huh? Said who? 6 disks = 3 mirrors = 3 stripped mirrors or 3 x single disk spe

Re: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-24 Thread Linux
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Guy Boisvert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, i respect Open Source (and your opinion) very much but your comparison > imply that you had access to Adaptec's code! Maybe you really had access, i > don't know. If it's the case, then thanks you for having shared t

Re: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-23 Thread Guy Boisvert
Linux wrote: On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Guy Boisvert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "More intelligently designed" -> Could you please tell us more on this one? Simple answer: Open Source (and for a long time) I guess you know what it means. But I wander if source of Adaptec raid controller's

Re: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-23 Thread Linux
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:19 AM, Christopher Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> And stick with md-raid 10 (also known as software raid) because it is >> much more intelligently designed than any >> closed-source-embedded-raid-controller. > > This was valid until...quite a few years ago. Has hard

Re: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-23 Thread Linux
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Guy Boisvert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> And stick with md-raid 10 (also known as software raid) because it is >> much more intelligently designed than any >> closed-source-embedded-raid-controller. > > "More intelligently designed" -> Could you please tell us mor

Re: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-23 Thread Rudi Ahlers
Warren Young wrote: Rudi Ahlers wrote: So, how does it perform with 6 discs for example? Say I have 3 HDD's in RAID-0, and another 3 in RAID-0, then RAID-1 the 2 RAID-0 stripes. There's actually two kinds of RAID-10. Some like to say RAID-01 or RAID-1+0 or things like that to distinguish

Re: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-22 Thread Guy Boisvert
Linux wrote: And stick with md-raid 10 (also known as software raid) because it is much more intelligently designed than any closed-source-embedded-raid-controller. "More intelligently designed" -> Could you please tell us more on this one? i Nowadays hardware raid frightens me because of t

Re: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-22 Thread Christopher Chan
And stick with md-raid 10 (also known as software raid) because it is much more intelligently designed than any closed-source-embedded-raid-controller. This was valid until...quite a few years ago. Nowadays hardware raid frightens me because of the need to have spare raid-controllers for ev

Re: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-22 Thread Christopher Chan
Your way has the advantage of letting you add disks in pairs, but to get that you get only single-disk redundancy: if a second disk goes out, your array is gone, no matter which disk it is. Nah, if you lose both disks that belong to the same stripe array, the other stripe array is still arou

Re: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-22 Thread Filipe Brandenburger
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Warren Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At any rate, RAID-10 shouldn't be *slower*. I've actually seen equipments where RAID-10 was slower for reading than RAID-5 with the same number of disks. RAID-10 depends on the ability of the controller of balancing reads

RE: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-22 Thread Joseph L. Casale
>And stick with md-raid 10 (also known as software raid) because it is >much more intelligently designed than any >closed-source-embedded-raid-controller. Pretty strong opinion that would be disputed by many don't you think? I would venture to say that any large system involved in SLA's with 5 9's

Re: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-22 Thread Linux
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 7:12 PM, Guy Boisvert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You do not need two (2) raid controllers unless you want to have > redundancy at the controller level. Adaptec, 3Ware, etc do RAID 50. > For RAID 50, you need at least 6 disks. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID > > > Fo

Re: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-22 Thread nightduke
I prefer raid level of ibm For Dell you can find more info about raid level at http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/storage/RAID/RAIDbk0.pdf But add hot spare disks Nightduke 2008/5/22, Warren Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Rudi Ahlers wrote: > > > > So, how does it perform with 6 disc

Re: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-22 Thread Warren Young
Rudi Ahlers wrote: So, how does it perform with 6 discs for example? Say I have 3 HDD's in RAID-0, and another 3 in RAID-0, then RAID-1 the 2 RAID-0 stripes. There's actually two kinds of RAID-10. Some like to say RAID-01 or RAID-1+0 or things like that to distinguish them. It's a matter

Re: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-22 Thread Guy Boisvert
Jason Clark wrote: > You're going to need two RAID controllers and 6 drives to do RAID 50. > RAID 50 will be faster, but costs more in drives and controllers. > > > > Jason > www.cyborgworkshop.org > > > mcclnx mcc wrote: >> we have DELL 6800 server with 12 internal disks in it. O.S. is CENT

Re: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-22 Thread Rudi Ahlers
Warren Young wrote: John R Pierce wrote: raid50 requires 2 or more raid 5 volumes. with 4 disks, thats just not an option. for file storage (including backup files from a database), raid5 is probably fine... for primary database tablespace storage, I'd only use raid1 or raid10. RAID-10 has o

Re: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-22 Thread Warren Young
John R Pierce wrote: raid50 requires 2 or more raid 5 volumes. with 4 disks, thats just not an option. for file storage (including backup files from a database), raid5 is probably fine... for primary database tablespace storage, I'd only use raid1 or raid10. RAID-10 has only one perfect appli

RE: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-22 Thread Joseph L. Casale
>We plan to configure 4 disks (5,8,9,10) as RAID5 or RAID50. This logical >volume will be use as file systems and store database backup files. I wouldn't use Raid 5 on a DB, the performance degradation during rebuild and low fault tolerance aren't appealing to me. jlc __

Re: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-22 Thread Jason Clark
You're going to need two RAID controllers and 6 drives to do RAID 50. RAID 50 will be faster, but costs more in drives and controllers. Jason www.cyborgworkshop.org mcclnx mcc wrote: > we have DELL 6800 server with 12 internal disks in it. O.S. is CENTOS > 4.6 and SCSI control card is PERC 4

Re: [CentOS] RAID5 or RAID50 for database?

2008-05-22 Thread John R Pierce
mcclnx mcc wrote: > we have DELL 6800 server with 12 internal disks in it. O.S. is CENTOS > 4.6 and SCSI control card is PERC 4e/di. > > We plan to configure 4 disks (5,8,9,10) as RAID5 or RAID50. This > logical volume will be use as file systems and store database backup > files. > > Can anyone te