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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Karanbir Singh
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:47 AM
To: CentOS mailing list
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Re: DKIM
Toby Bluhm wrote:
> BTW - very informative thread.
>
I wonder if someone might ta
Toby Bluhm wrote:
> Scott Silva wrote:
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>> A "one stop shop" on everything CentOS.
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> I like that approach better. A new list for email only would probably
> lead to email threads on *both* lists, users being reminded to take the
> discussion to the other list, etc.
We have n
John Hinton wrote:
> Toby Bluhm wrote:
> > Scott Silva wrote:
> > >
> > > A "one stop shop" on everything CentOS.
> >
> > I like that approach better. A new list for email only would
> > probably lead to email threads on *both* lists, users being
> > reminded to take the discussion to
> > the ot
John R Pierce wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
Mail isn't supposed to be rejected for this, but some places probably
do. A more correct approach is to have one name with the A record and
the matching ptr and make all of the other names CNAMEs.
no, no, no! CNAMES are discouraged as they crea
Toby Bluhm wrote:
Scott Silva wrote:
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A "one stop shop" on everything CentOS.
I like that approach better. A new list for email only would probably
lead to email threads on *both* lists, users being reminded to take
the discussion to the other list, etc.
My point is we go unhelpe
Les Mikesell wrote:
Mail isn't supposed to be rejected for this, but some places probably
do. A more correct approach is to have one name with the A record and
the matching ptr and make all of the other names CNAMEs.
no, no, no! CNAMES are discouraged as they create additional work
fo
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Your problem - if you actually want to solve it instead of tossing the
blame to others like yahoo is...
# host mail.creativeprogramdesigners.com
mail.creativeprogramdesigners.com has address 72.35.68.58
# host 72.35.68.58
58.68.35.72.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer
cre
Scott Silva wrote:
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A "one stop
shop" on everything CentOS.
I like that approach better. A new list for email only would probably
lead to email threads on *both* lists, users being reminded to take the
discussion to the other list, etc.
--
Toby Bluhm
Alltech Medical Systems Ameri
> > Karanbir Singh wrote:
> >> Toby Bluhm wrote:
> >>> BTW - very informative thread.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I wonder if someone might take the bits of info in this thread and
> >> put it into a wiki page around Mail Servers and perhaps
> start a best
> >> practices section...
> >>
>From hotmail,
Karanbir Singh wrote:
Toby Bluhm wrote:
BTW - very informative thread.
I wonder if someone might take the bits of info in this thread and put
it into a wiki page around Mail Servers and perhaps start a best
practices section...
Would
http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos#head-49a3d6a9a0c95cff067
Toby Bluhm wrote:
BTW - very informative thread.
I wonder if someone might take the bits of info in this thread and put
it into a wiki page around Mail Servers and perhaps start a best
practices section...
Would
http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos#head-49a3d6a9a0c95cff0676b0209eae985780e41678
Scott Silva wrote:
> An entry from localhost is very common on a webmail server. It shouldn't
> break anything, it is just a relay.
Enough time has been wasted on the DKIM thread so I'm not reading the main
thread but what was Hoffman thinking looking up my headers on a webmail
client? I'm not
>
> Karanbir post was brief and to the point. yours is a personal attack.
> Even if Bob missed your excellent recommendation, there is no
> reason to get mad.
> ___
I gotta agree that we need to close this thread. It seems whether a mailing
list o
Josh Donovan wrote:
Karanbir Singh wrote:
Bob Hoffman wrote:
Yeato hell with yahoo. I will just make all
members use a different
email service. Aint worth the effort.
I think this conversation is at a point where it would make
more sense
on a yahoo / email specific list.
Agreed! Its
mouss wrote:
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I don't like Josh mail, yours is worst.
I dunno about that. I mean after a long thread where you try to make
sure you are doing the right thing on your end before going upstream to
complain, you get to be called childish, ignorant and full of BS. I'd be
pissed too.
BTW
Bob Hoffman wrote:
I think this conversation is at a point where it would make
more sense
on a yahoo / email specific list.
Agreed! Its amazing to see the childishness of not being able
to get one's server in order, ignoring Yahoo's FAQ's and then
this kind of BS.
Thanks,
Josh.
Um, no
Josh wrote
>Agreed! Its amazing to see the childishness of not being
>able to get one's server in order, ignoring Yahoo's
>FAQ's and then this kind of BS.
>
> Looking at the headers of the mail you have just sent from a
> yahoo client you have not followed to the letter Yahoo's
> requirement
Bob Hoffman wrote:
> Um, no one has ignored yahoos mail practices.
> My server is set up correctly.
> I even took the step of adding spf.
> I talked to others with the same issue that use dkim
> It is still grey listed.
>
> After talking with yahoo, they indicate the change of ip
> addresses/serv
> >
> > I think this conversation is at a point where it would make
> more sense
> > on a yahoo / email specific list.
>
> Agreed! Its amazing to see the childishness of not being able
> to get one's server in order, ignoring Yahoo's FAQ's and then
> this kind of BS.
>
> Thanks,
> Josh.
>
Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Bob Hoffman wrote:
> >
> > Yeato hell with yahoo. I will just make all
> members use a different
> > email service. Aint worth the effort.
>
> I think this conversation is at a point where it would make
> more sense
> on a yahoo / email specific list.
Agreed! Its a
Craig White wrote:
> well it's not just yahoo as I know for certain that AOL also requires
> reverse DNS to match just like all the mail servers that I maintain also
> require matching reverse DNS.
>
> Your problem - if you actually want to solve it instead of tossing the
> blame to others like ya
Scott Silva wrote:
> on 9-24-2008 2:23 PM Ralph Angenendt spake the following:
>> I get it via mail.centos.org which clearly isn't a server you would
>> allow to send mails out as @hoffman.com when you set up SPF for your
>> domain. So if I drop mails which don't have a "correct" SPF record -
>>
Craig White wrote:
On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 19:00 -0400, Bob Hoffman wrote:
And to follow up on the whole Domain keys.
I found at least 30 people online who have the same issue, but they have
working DKIMs but still being junked.
Yeayahoo...whee.
well it's not just yahoo as I know for ce
On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 19:00 -0400, Bob Hoffman wrote:
> And to follow up on the whole Domain keys.
> I found at least 30 people online who have the same issue, but they have
> working DKIMs but still being junked.
>
> Yeayahoo...whee.
well it's not just yahoo as I know for certain that AO
And to follow up on the whole Domain keys.
I found at least 30 people online who have the same issue, but they have
working DKIMs but still being junked.
Yeayahoo...whee.
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Bob Hoffman wrote:
Update, spf did nothing for yahoo.
Spf made gmail a little happier.
Yahoo is getting through to my server, it just takes from 1 to 10 minutes
right now.
Yeato hell with yahoo. I will just make all members use a different
email service. Aint worth the effort.
I think th
Update, spf did nothing for yahoo.
Spf made gmail a little happier.
Yahoo is getting through to my server, it just takes from 1 to 10 minutes
right now.
Yeato hell with yahoo. I will just make all members use a different
email service. Aint worth the effort.
That'll show em whose boss
lol
> can you try after changing your hostname from
> "mail.creativeprogramdesigners.com" to "bobhoffman.com". I
> mean the name that appears in your greeting:
>
> $ telnet bobhoffman.com 25
> ...
> 220 mail.creativeprogramdesigners.com ESMTP Sendmail ...
>
>
You can only have one hostname for
Bob Hoffman wrote:
Apparently now when I send an email from my yahoo account to the server, it
just disappears. So now yahoo is eating the mail going to me.
can you try after changing your hostname from
"mail.creativeprogramdesigners.com" to "bobhoffman.com". I mean the name
that appears i
> >
> > Egads.
> Are you positive that your server isn't eating it?
>
I whitelisted yahoo in spam assassin.
Now some of the domains can send mail and get junked, but the bobhoffman
mail does not even get that far anymore.
I think yahoo must be worried as to the new ip addresses for my site. M
Apparently now when I send an email from my yahoo account to the server, it
just disappears. So now yahoo is eating the mail going to me.
Wonderful.
Egads.
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RobertH wrote:
prove what?
if the machine with an rDNS of bobhoffman.com sends mail from
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, and is the MX of this domain, would anybody think
this is a forgery?
Mouss... I mean Ratatouille :-)
I'm feeling hungry now!
Answer: Possibly
Depends on many factors doesn't it
Scott Silva wrote:
> on 9-24-2008 11:41 AM Ralph Angenendt spake the following:
>> Scott Silva wrote:
>>> AFAIR yahoo only looks for proper SPF records and then looks at
>>> content so far. My users interact with them all the time.
>>
>> Out of curiosity: What happens if you don't have SPF records
I guess spf would help deal with the whole [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
[EMAIL PROTECTED] issues.
Sending from an application is not hard for the return, from and to and all
that. But the received from headers are gotten by the receiving client going
to sendmail for a helo/ehlo. However apache is the u
>
> prove what?
>
> if the machine with an rDNS of bobhoffman.com sends mail from
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, and is the MX of this domain, would anybody think
> this is a forgery?
>
Mouss... I mean Ratatouille :-)
Answer: Possibly
Depends on many factors doesn't it?
I know you are on other list
> Besides, in the OP case, SPF will change nothing for mail
> getting out of his server, since his sender domain matches
> his client domain (this is what gmail calls "guessed SPF"),
> and in addition, his client is the MX of his domain, so he is
> not going to forge his own domain on his ow
>
> you'll be beaten to death by SPF fans.
Isn't beating someone to death is too good for them in regards to spf
fights?
;->
U actually, spf records can possibly just help the cause in general.
There is no reason for people to get all bent outta shape in regards to SPF
or DKIM or whateve
Bob Hoffman wrote:
AFAIR yahoo only looks for proper SPF records and then looks at
content so far. My users interact with them all the time.
Out of curiosity: What happens if you don't have SPF records?
Ralph
Initially when I had to deal with sending to yahoo I would
get a mix of mail du
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Scott Silva wrote:
AFAIR yahoo only looks for proper SPF records and then looks at content
so far. My users interact with them all the time.
Out of curiosity: What happens if you don't have SPF records?
you'll be beaten to death by SPF fans. other than that, nothing.
> >> AFAIR yahoo only looks for proper SPF records and then looks at
> >> content so far. My users interact with them all the time.
> >
> > Out of curiosity: What happens if you don't have SPF records?
> >
> > Ralph
> Initially when I had to deal with sending to yahoo I would
> get a mix o
Scott Silva wrote:
> AFAIR yahoo only looks for proper SPF records and then looks at content
> so far. My users interact with them all the time.
Out of curiosity: What happens if you don't have SPF records?
Ralph
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> > No, I do not want to install postfix, thank you - /ninja'd ya
> AFAIR yahoo only looks for proper SPF records and then looks
> at content so far. My users interact with them all the time.
Good enough to go on. To start. I will pound out some spf's for the dns and
see if it does anythi
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