Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

On Wednesday, May 25, 2011 04:06 AM, Brunner, Brian T. wrote: > Yesiree, before the Great Rapture, we who read this list are all going > to be out of work. > > Who want to try to top me for spiritual silliness? > You've already been topped if you have not noticed by a certain person who's been t

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

on 5/24/2011 1:06 PM Brunner, Brian T. spake the following: > > When the 7th seal is opened there will be "silence in heaven for about > the space of half an hour" (Rev 8:1), implying that the net will be down > world-wide. THAT will cause Armageddon all by itself (Rev 9:16, 16:16). > I thought

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

--On Tuesday, May 24, 2011 4:46 PM -0400 "James B. Byrne" wrote: > No! No! This topic IS the RAPTURE. First there will be wars and > rumours of wars. . . Delayed until October. :P

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

Brunner, Brian T. wrote: > centos-boun...@centos.org wrote: >> James B. Byrne wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, May 23, 2011 14:15, Scott Silva wrote: on 5/23/2011 11:02 AM Ljubomir Ljubojevic spake the following: > > Then everybody cough on that and started endless flame-war. > I

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

centos-boun...@centos.org wrote: > James B. Byrne wrote: >> >> On Mon, May 23, 2011 14:15, Scott Silva wrote: >>> on 5/23/2011 11:02 AM Ljubomir Ljubojevic spake the following: >>> Then everybody cough on that and started endless flame-war. >>> I survived the rapture to come back

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

James B. Byrne wrote: > > On Mon, May 23, 2011 14:15, Scott Silva wrote: >> on 5/23/2011 11:02 AM Ljubomir Ljubojevic spake the following: >> >>> >>> Then everybody cough on that and started endless flame-war. >>> >> I survived the rapture to come back to this? LMAO >> http://www.ebiblefellowship

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

On Mon, May 23, 2011 14:15, Scott Silva wrote: > on 5/23/2011 11:02 AM Ljubomir Ljubojevic spake the following: > >> >> Then everybody cough on that and started endless flame-war. >> > I survived the rapture to come back to this? LMAO > http://www.ebiblefellowship.com/outreach/tracts/may21/ > N

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

Gordon Messmer wrote: > I've never seen the developer suggest that releases are longer because > they don't remember how the last one was finished. Where on earth did you dig this out? I said they **could** be faster since it is all fresh in their memory. I was explaining what conclusion made m

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

Les Mikesell wrote: > On 5/23/2011 1:31 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >> Then everybody cough on that and started endless flame-war. >>> I survived the rapture to come back to this? LMAO >>> http://www.ebiblefellowship.com/outreach/tracts/may21/ >> >> What, more flamewars? >> >> The Raptur

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

On 5/23/2011 1:31 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > >>> Then everybody cough on that and started endless flame-war. >>> >> I survived the rapture to come back to this? LMAO >> http://www.ebiblefellowship.com/outreach/tracts/may21/ > > What, more flamewars? > > The Rapture just *wasn't* what it was cra

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

On 05/23/2011 11:02 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > I was first to suggest that C6.1 **might** be released in **about** a > month from C6.0. Why? Because I suspect that since RHEL 6.1 srpms are > already published, devs could use free time, while waiting for QA team > to find bugs, to dry-run 6.1

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

Scott Silva wrote: > on 5/23/2011 11:02 AM Ljubomir Ljubojevic spake the following: > >> >> Then everybody cough on that and started endless flame-war. >> > I survived the rapture to come back to this? LMAO > http://www.ebiblefellowship.com/outreach/tracts/may21/ What, more flamewars? The Raptu

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

On May 23, 2011, at 7:50 AM, R P Herrold wrote: > On Mon, 23 May 2011, Timothy Murphy wrote: > >> This seems to me to be an unnecessarily agressive response >> to what appeared to me a rational question from Les Mikesell. > >> But I don't think the fact that a service is free >> entitles its pr

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

on 5/23/2011 11:02 AM Ljubomir Ljubojevic spake the following: > > Then everybody cough on that and started endless flame-war. > I survived the rapture to come back to this? LMAO http://www.ebiblefellowship.com/outreach/tracts/may21/ ___ CentOS mai

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 05/22/2011 02:57 PM, R P Herrold wrote: > Having slept on that, I don't think my previous reply was direct to your > accusation. > My entire participation in the last long thread was directed at users > who have unrealistic expectations of the CentOS release team. O

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

On 05/22/2011 02:57 PM, R P Herrold wrote: > On Sun, 22 May 2011, Gordon Messmer wrote: > >> Who said anything about 5.6 breaking the environment? Everyone in the >> very long thread gave the excuse that it was done concurrent with other >> releases. > > customary trolling by Gordon Messmer -- pas

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

On 05/23/2011 10:06 AM, Phil Schaffner wrote: > I don't think anyone found Patrice's work unsatisfactory. He just > stated that he did not have much time to work on the CentOS-6 LiveCD/DVD > and asked for someone else to take the lead. If it's satisfactory, the live cd would be considered done.

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

Gordon Messmer wrote on 05/23/2011 11:41 AM: > What was it about Patrice's work > that you found unsatisfactory? I don't think anyone found Patrice's work unsatisfactory. He just stated that he did not have much time to work on the CentOS-6 LiveCD/DVD and asked for someone else to take the lead

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

2011/5/23 Gordon Messmer > On 05/23/2011 09:08 AM, cornel panceac wrote: > > regarding the fact we are not contributing as much as we want to the > > project, i'm afraid is basicaly a documentation problem. i'd personally > > like to do something to help, but i don't have the required education t

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

> > How about a fundamental change? A completely open development process > like at Fedora? Fedora is not suitable to what CentOS is, for several reasons. 1: Fedora is a bleeding-edge engineering development project, CentOS is a reverse-engineering effort. 2: Fedora is for avid hobbyists, CentOS

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

R P Herrold wrote: > On Mon, 23 May 2011, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > >> This seems to me to be an unnecessarily agressive response >> to what appeared to me a rational question from Les Mikesell. >> > > >> But I don't think the fact that a service is free >> entitles its proponents to be

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

On 05/23/2011 09:08 AM, cornel panceac wrote: > regarding the fact we are not contributing as much as we want to the > project, i'm afraid is basicaly a documentation problem. i'd personally > like to do something to help, but i don't have the required education to > do that. Fedora provides excel

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

2011/5/23 R P Herrold > On Mon, 23 May 2011, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > > This seems to me to be an unnecessarily agressive response > > to what appeared to me a rational question from Les Mikesell. > > > But I don't think the fact that a service is free > > entitles its proponents to be rude to t

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

On 05/23/2011 03:01 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > Here, we are asking for someone to get involved with the project. As > usual, the trolls who say CentOS is closed do not volunteer to help > actually do things. Nothing from them but the sound of crickets when we > actually ask for help. I did. How

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

2011/5/23 Johnny Hughes : > I have said this a million times ... but you are flat out wrong. > > The "community" does many, many things for CentOS. > > It is the community that makes the CentOS Fora one of the best place to > get information. > > The community does all the articles on the CentOS Wi

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

R P Herrold wrote: > On Mon, 23 May 2011, Les Mikesell wrote: > >> Community effort or not, it did once seem like you had goals >> for timeliness as well. Are you happy with the current >> situation? If more community participation is off the >> table, what else could help? > Tell you what, Le

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

On 5/23/11 4:44 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > > The "community" does many, many things for CentOS. And some of those things could probably be better too, but... > We never said, anywhere, that the community would build the packages, > nor did we say we would teach people how to make the distribution

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

On 05/22/2011 08:05 PM, Steven Crothers wrote: > I think you're missing the point, if you read between the lines, the > complaint I see is that CentOS (Community Enterprise Operating System) > is not community based whatsoever. Displaying the self-righteous > attitude you are doesn't earn you cooki

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

On 05/22/2011 08:05 PM, Steven Crothers wrote: > I think you're missing the point, if you read between the lines, the > complaint I see is that CentOS (Community Enterprise Operating System) > is not community based whatsoever. Displaying the self-righteous > attitude you are doesn't earn you cooki

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

2011/5/23 R P Herrold > > A 'vetting' and reputation system was proposed in some early > design documents for fedora.us, but that project lacked the > mass to make it work; cAos tried a variation of this, and > encountered a problem with its v.2 when a novice packager > inadvertently introduced a

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

I think you're missing the point, if you read between the lines, the complaint I see is that CentOS (Community Enterprise Operating System) is not community based whatsoever. Displaying the self-righteous attitude you are doesn't earn you cookie points or make you look like you're important. What i

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

On 05/22/2011 02:57 PM, R P Herrold wrote: > customary trolling by Gordon Messmer -- passive agressive, > implying an unmet obligation The only obligation that I think exists is for everyone to have reasonable expectations of the project. If I have ever implied otherwise, please point me toward

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

On 05/20/2011 05:55 AM, Drew wrote: > An .1 release is basically a .0 release + patches so I don't see any > real difference. The hard part is reverse engineering the .0 release > build environment and the .1 follows pretty quick from there. You weren't reading the very long thread of the last wee

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

> If you deferred releasing a 6.0 and instead immediately started working on > 6.1, how much additional time would that add to getting 6.1 out? I'm not so > much asking for an actual estimate, as I am whether it would be easier just > to go directly to 6.1 if it fixes any issues that make building

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

On 05/20/2011 07:46 AM, Kenneth Porter wrote: > --On Thursday, May 19, 2011 10:22 AM -0400 R P Herrold > wrote: > >> and look at all the anaconda related, and other fixes, that >> should have been in a dot zero release ... gee > > At the risk of opening another can of worms: > > If you deferre

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

--On Thursday, May 19, 2011 10:22 AM -0400 R P Herrold wrote: > and look at all the anaconda related, and other fixes, that > should have been in a dot zero release ... gee At the risk of opening another can of worms: If you deferred releasing a 6.0 and instead immediately started working on

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

R P Herrold wrote: > On Thu, 19 May 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > >> started holding my breath when RHEL 6 Beta was released, and my face is >> not blue any more but totally black :-) > > Yowzer -- Zombies!!! The CDC can help with that

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

On 5/19/2011 10:15 AM, R - elists wrote: > > > Les wrote: >> Everyone expected this from Red Hat before the 'EL' versions >> when publishing a free CD of community work was the way QA >> was done. (And if you've forgotten, go dig through some >> changelogs of that era to see just how bad things we

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

Les Mikesell wrote: > On 5/19/2011 9:40 AM, Markus Falb wrote: >>> There is an old piece of wisdom in IT to avoid the public 'dot >>> zero' products so that some-one else gets to be the advance >>> guard scout (you know, the one who staggers back to base camp, >>> festooned wth arrows in him) >> Oh

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

On Thursday, May 19, 2011 10:59:45 AM Les Mikesell wrote: > Everyone expected [dot-zero bugfest] from Red Hat before the 'EL' versions > when > publishing a free CD of community work was the way QA was done. (And if > you've forgotten, go dig through some changelogs of that era to see just > h

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

Les wrote: > Everyone expected this from Red Hat before the 'EL' versions > when publishing a free CD of community work was the way QA > was done. (And if you've forgotten, go dig through some > changelogs of that era to see just how bad things were and > how much we gained from that proces

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

no, the saying is... if it aint broken, dont fix it ! especially on weekends, monday, or friday ;-> that is why everyone should have a small or large lab for testing and rollout... - rh ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.cento

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

On 5/19/2011 9:40 AM, Markus Falb wrote: > >> There is an old piece of wisdom in IT to avoid the public 'dot >> zero' products so that some-one else gets to be the advance >> guard scout (you know, the one who staggers back to base camp, >> festooned wth arrows in him) > > Oh Lord! If everyone woul

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

On 19.5.2011 15:56, R P Herrold wrote: > There is an old piece of wisdom in IT to avoid the public 'dot > zero' products so that some-one else gets to be the advance > guard scout (you know, the one who staggers back to base camp, > festooned wth arrows in him) Oh Lord! If everyone would avoid

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

Brunner, Brian T. wrote: > centos-boun...@centos.org wrote: >> On Thu, 19 May 2011, carlopmart wrote: >> >>> Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux_6_1_Released >> >> and look at all the anaconda related, and other fixes, that >> should have been in a dot zero release ... gee > > Which means, that RHEL6.0 should

Re: [CentOS] OT: RHEL 6.1 is out

centos-boun...@centos.org wrote: > On Thu, 19 May 2011, carlopmart wrote: > >> Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux_6_1_Released > > and look at all the anaconda related, and other fixes, that > should have been in a dot zero release ... gee > > -- Russ herrold Which means, that RHEL6.0 should have just no