> Am 20.10.2018 um 00:11 schrieb Paul Heinlein :
>
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2018, mark wrote:
>
>> Yeah. I have trouble finding the actual startup configs -
>> /etc/systemd/system? /var/lib? whereeverthehell they are, do a locate as
>> opposed to /etc/init.d to find the damn name (nfs? nfsd? idmap
On Fri, 19 Oct 2018, mark wrote:
Yeah. I have trouble finding the actual startup configs -
/etc/systemd/system? /var/lib? whereeverthehell they are, do a
locate as opposed to /etc/init.d to find the damn name (nfs?
nfsd? idmapd? nfs-idmapd? rpc-idmapd?)
systemctl status <>
E.g.,
[~]$ s
Japheth Cleaver wrote:
> On 10/19/2018 5:09 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 01:07:46PM +0200, Simon Matter wrote:
> The /sbin/service command is just a shell script. I'd suggest a patch to
> send stderr/out to logger as well if I thought it would be accepted. (And
> *manual
On 10/19/2018 5:09 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 01:07:46PM +0200, Simon Matter wrote:
That's really an important point, because those who started using Linux
with Linux/systemd will be bound to Linux/systemd with their knowledge,
switching to a *BSD or other Unix will be
On 10/18/2018 7:33 PM, Young, Gregory wrote:
*** This response is my personal opinion and may not reflect that of my
employer. ***
*snip*
If CentOS 8 were to switch back from systemd, I think you would be able to see
the explosions from Alpha Centauri as all the developers out there lost the
On Oct 17, 2018, at 6:55 PM, Warren Young wrote:
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> I’d rather spend time advocating for and taking advantage of systemd’s
> features than complaining about its weaknesses.
>
> (Automatic service restarts saved me a lot of work just a few weeks ago!)
Today’s software project is going to take
On Oct 19, 2018, at 5:07 AM, Simon Matter wrote:
>
> - the upgrade path from EL6 to EL7 is completely broken.
Under what conditions would you actually use it?
As we can see from the repeated attempts to get a reliable in-place upgrade
process working, the community doesn’t seem to have much in
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 01:07:46PM +0200, Simon Matter wrote:
> That's really an important point, because those who started using Linux
> with Linux/systemd will be bound to Linux/systemd with their knowledge,
> switching to a *BSD or other Unix will be difficult. For me, I don't like
> to be limit
> Valeri Galtsev wrote:
>> On 10/17/18 7:55 PM, Warren Young wrote:
>
>>> Benno Rice is right: Lennart Poettering gets stuff done.
>
> Because he's funded. And I strongly suspect that a lot of that funding
> comes from M$'s interest in Upstream.
>
>>
>> With all due respect, many people just stop
On Friday 19 October 2018 00:41:12 Warren Young wrote:
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> S…systemd is a Microsoft conspiracy against Linux?
>
I love this
Now SystemD finally makes sense
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>> people are tired of screaming and yelling about systemd, because we've
>> had years now of the response being "tough, it's the Wave of the
>> Future"
>
>We covered that back when RHEL 7 was still in beta:
On Oct 18, 2018, at 9:41 AM, mark wrote:
> On 10/17/18 7:55 PM, Warren Young wrote:
>>> Benno Rice is right: Lennart Poettering gets stuff done.
>
> Because he's funded.
There are plenty of people with jobs that don’t get stuff done.
> I strongly suspect that a lot of that funding
> comes from
On 18/10/18 22:09, John R. Dennison wrote:
On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 10:27:32AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
[topical reply trimmed for brevity]
Please learn how to trim your replies. Rough count and 145 lines of
crap could have been removed from your recent post. This is getting
a bit ridiculo
On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 10:27:32AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
[topical reply trimmed for brevity]
Please learn how to trim your replies. Rough count and 145 lines of
crap could have been removed from your recent post. This is getting
a bit ridiculous, Valeri:
https://wiki.centos.org/Getting
Valeri Galtsev wrote:
> On 10/17/18 7:55 PM, Warren Young wrote:
>> Benno Rice is right: Lennart Poettering gets stuff done.
Because he's funded. And I strongly suspect that a lot of that funding
comes from M$'s interest in Upstream.
>
> With all due respect, many people just stopped offering an
On 10/17/18 7:55 PM, Warren Young wrote:
On Oct 17, 2018, at 3:28 PM, Mark Rousell wrote:
On 17/10/2018 20:03, Warren Young wrote:
On Oct 17, 2018, at 10:03 AM, Mark Rousell wrote:
launchd is not being forced on them as systemd is in practice
Try doing without launchd on macOS.
If laun
On Oct 17, 2018, at 3:28 PM, Mark Rousell wrote:
>
> On 17/10/2018 20:03, Warren Young wrote:
>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 10:03 AM, Mark Rousell
>> wrote:
>>> launchd is not being forced on them as systemd is in practice
>> Try doing without launchd on macOS.
>
> If launchd was on Linux and it had
Every couple of months we seem to get a systemd usage discussion on this
list.
But really, discussions whether to use systemd (or anything else in the
RHEL source code) really isn't appropriate here .. because, we rebuild
what is released as source code for RHEL. If Red Hat decided to shift
fro
On 17/10/2018 20:03, Warren Young wrote:
> On Oct 17, 2018, at 10:03 AM, Mark Rousell wrote:
>> launchd is not being forced on them as systemd is in practice
> Try doing without launchd on macOS.
>
> If you think that’s irrelevant, count the number of MacBooks at the next
> FreeBSD conference you
On Oct 17, 2018, at 10:03 AM, Mark Rousell wrote:
>
> launchd is not being forced on them as systemd is in practice
Try doing without launchd on macOS.
If you think that’s irrelevant, count the number of MacBooks at the next
FreeBSD conference you attend.
For an init system to gain sufficient
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between systemd and
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On 17/10/2018 10:11, Anthony K wrote:
> It's starting to look as though the BSD camp may embrace systemd
> sooner rather than later:
>
> https://youtu.be/6AeWu1fZ7bY?t=1537 - I like this bit the most in that
> video!
>
> But do watch the entire presentation - good stuff.
I've listened to the video
On 16/10/2018 19:21, Japheth Cleaver wrote:
> I'm not sure that that necessarily follows. Among RH-ecosystem
> distributions, and specifically RHEL derivatives, there's a barrier to
> the usefulness of smaller projects given that a large chunk of the
> users need binary-compatible commercial equiva
On 17/10/18 1:25 am, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
That said, if one is strongly willing to stay away from systemd, and
not to such extent into Linux as to needing an advise on that, I would
recommend to take a look at non-Linux system, specifically BSD
descendants (FreeBSD, NetBSD, etc). Their kernel
On 2018-10-16, John R. Dennison wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 05:54:29AM +, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming w=
> rote:
>
> Troll bait removed.
>
> Congrats, folks. You fell for it.
>
> This was also troll-posted to fedora-users within seconds of this post.
It was also troll-posted to ubun
On 10/16/2018 10:27 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 09:25:15AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
Also, it is likely that at some point
systemd-free Linux distribution(s) may fade away.
There was already a move away from SysV init before systemd was
introduced, heck RHEL6/CentOS
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 09:25:15AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
> Hoping to not offend proponents of systemd/firewalld...
Perhaps if you weren't spreading misinformation, we wouldn't be
offended?
> Linux kernel is already containing chunks of code related to
> systemd/firewalld and friends. One
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 05:54:29AM +, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
Troll bait removed.
Congrats, folks. You fell for it.
This was also troll-posted to fedora-users within seconds of this post.
John
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between systemd and
non-systemd Linux distros?
On 10/16/18 1:54 AM, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
Good afternoon
L] Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between systemd and
non-systemd Linux distros?
On 10/16/18 1:54 AM, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> Good afternoon from Singapore,
>
> What are the differences between systemd and non-systemd Linux distros?
>
> Is systemd implemented in
On 10/16/18 1:54 AM, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
Good afternoon from Singapore,
What are the differences between systemd and non-systemd Linux distros?
Is systemd implemented in all the latest Linux distros?
Please advise. Thank you.
My advice is to go and read up on the ori
On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 05:54 +, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
wrote:
> Good afternoon from Singapore,
>
> What are the differences between systemd and non-systemd Linux distros?
>
> Is systemd implemented in all the latest Linux distros?
>
> Please advise. Thank you.
>
I really thin
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