Re: [CentOS-virt] Slightly OT: FakeRaid or Software Raid

2009-12-03 Thread Grant McWilliams
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Christopher G. Stach II c...@ldsys.netwrote: - Grant McWilliams grantmasterfl...@gmail.com wrote: Portability is no different with a RAID controller as long as you've standardized on controllers. For this to be true, it would have to be absolute. Since

Re: [CentOS-virt] Slightly OT: FakeRaid or Software Raid

2009-12-03 Thread Grant McWilliams
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Christopher G. Stach II c...@ldsys.netwrote: - Grant McWilliams grantmasterfl...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting thoughts on raid5 although I doubt many would agree. That's okay. We all have our off days... Here's some quality reading:

Re: [CentOS-virt] Slightly OT: FakeRaid or Software Raid

2009-12-03 Thread Christopher G. Stach II
- Grant McWilliams grantmasterfl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Christopher G. Stach II c...@ldsys.net wrote: - Grant McWilliams grantmasterfl...@gmail.com wrote: a RAID 10 (or 0+1) will never reach the write... performance of a RAID-5. (*cough* If

Re: [CentOS-virt] Slightly OT: FakeRaid or Software Raid

2009-12-03 Thread Grant McWilliams
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:08 AM, Christopher G. Stach II c...@ldsys.netwrote: - Grant McWilliams grantmasterfl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Christopher G. Stach II c...@ldsys.net wrote: - Grant McWilliams grantmasterfl...@gmail.com wrote: a RAID 10

Re: [CentOS-virt] Slightly OT: FakeRaid or Software Raid

2009-12-03 Thread Christopher G. Stach II
- Grant McWilliams grantmasterfl...@gmail.com wrote: RAID 5 is faster than RAID 10 for reads and writes. *Serial* reads and writes. That is not the access pattern that you will have in most virtualization hosts. What wasn't in the test (but is in others that they've done) is RAID 6.

Re: [CentOS-virt] Slightly OT: FakeRaid or Software Raid

2009-12-03 Thread Thomas Harold
On 12/3/2009 7:35 AM, Grant McWilliams wrote: You can talk theoretics but I can tell you my real world experience. I cannot speak for other vendors but for 3ware this DOES work and is working so far with 100% success. I have a bunch of Areca controllers too but the drives are never moved

Re: [CentOS-virt] Slightly OT: FakeRaid or Software Raid

2009-12-03 Thread Luke S Crawford
Grant McWilliams grantmasterfl...@gmail.com writes: So if I have 6 drives on my RAID controller which do I choose? considering the port-cost of good raid cards, you could probably use md and get 8 or 10 drives for the same money. It's hard to beat more spindles for random access performance

[CentOS-virt] Slightly OT: FakeRaid or Software Raid

2009-12-02 Thread Ben M.
I have had great luck with nvidia fakeraid on RAID1, but I see there are preferences for software raid. I have very little hands on with full Linux software RAID and that was about 14 years ago. I am trying to determine which to use on a rebuild in a standard CentOS/Xen enviroment. It seems

Re: [CentOS-virt] Slightly OT: FakeRaid or Software Raid

2009-12-02 Thread Neil Aggarwal
I have had great luck with nvidia fakeraid on RAID1, but I see there are preferences for software raid. I have always heard that fakeraid and software RAID perform the same. Neil -- Neil Aggarwal, (281)846-8957, http://UnmeteredVPS.net CentOS 5.4 VPS with unmetered bandwidth only

Re: [CentOS-virt] Slightly OT: FakeRaid or Software Raid

2009-12-02 Thread Manuel Wolfshant
On 12/02/2009 06:30 PM, Neil Aggarwal wrote: I have had great luck with nvidia fakeraid on RAID1, but I see there are preferences for software raid. I have always heard that fakeraid and software RAID perform the same. performance wise they are the same 'cause fakeraid is still a

Re: [CentOS-virt] Slightly OT: FakeRaid or Software Raid

2009-12-02 Thread Christopher G. Stach II
- Ben M. cen...@rivint.com wrote: I have had great luck with nvidia fakeraid on RAID1, but I see there are preferences for software raid. I have very little hands on with full Linux software RAID and that was about 14 years ago. MD RAID. I'd even opt for MD RAID over a lot of hardware

Re: [CentOS-virt] Slightly OT: FakeRaid or Software Raid

2009-12-02 Thread Ben M.
Thanks. The portability bonus is a big one. Just two other questions I think. - Raid1 entirely in dom0? - Will RE type HDs be bad or good in this circumstance? I buy RE types but have recently become aware of the possibility where TLER (Time-Limited Error Recovery) can be an issue when run

Re: [CentOS-virt] Slightly OT: FakeRaid or Software Raid

2009-12-02 Thread Manuel Wolfshant
On 12/02/2009 11:49 PM, Ben M. wrote: Thanks. The portability bonus is a big one. Just two other questions I think. - Raid1 entirely in dom0? that's what I do, for simplicity sake. I do all raid in Dom0, usually also LVM (sometime I do use simple/plain/old partitions in dom0 and LVM is

Re: [CentOS-virt] Slightly OT: FakeRaid or Software Raid

2009-12-02 Thread Luke S Crawford
Ben M. cen...@rivint.com writes: Thanks. The portability bonus is a big one. Just two other questions I think. - Raid1 entirely in dom0? that's what I do. I make one big md0 in the dom0, then partition that out with lvm. - Will RE type HDs be bad or good in this circumstance? I buy RE

Re: [CentOS-virt] Slightly OT: FakeRaid or Software Raid

2009-12-02 Thread Christopher G. Stach II
- Ben M. cen...@rivint.com wrote: Thanks. The portability bonus is a big one. Just two other questions I think. - Raid1 entirely in dom0? That's how I do it. dom0 should be handling the supply of the hardware services, and if dom0 has all of the drivers and physical disks under its

Re: [CentOS-virt] Slightly OT: FakeRaid or Software Raid

2009-12-02 Thread Christopher G. Stach II
- Grant McWilliams grantmasterfl...@gmail.com wrote: He had a two drive RAID 1 drives and at least one of them failed but he didn't have any notification software set up to let him know that it had failed. And since that's the case he didn't know if both drives had failed or not. I

Re: [CentOS-virt] Slightly OT: FakeRaid or Software Raid

2009-12-02 Thread Ben M.
Thanks for sharing Grant. Your point about hardware raid is well taken. However, the discussion is about Fake-Raid vs. Software RAID1 and controller/chipset dependence and portability. The portability of a software RAID1 hard drive to an entirely different box is, I have learned, much higher

Re: [CentOS-virt] Slightly OT: FakeRaid or Software Raid

2009-12-02 Thread Luke S Crawford
Grant McWilliams grantmasterfl...@gmail.com writes: I don't use software RAID in any sort of production environment unless it's RAID 0 and I don't care about the data at all. I've also tested the speed between Hardware and Software RAID 5 and no matter how many CPUs you throw at it the

Re: [CentOS-virt] Slightly OT: FakeRaid or Software Raid

2009-12-02 Thread Grant McWilliams
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Ben M. cen...@rivint.com wrote: Thanks for sharing Grant. Your point about hardware raid is well taken. However, the discussion is about Fake-Raid vs. Software RAID1 and controller/chipset dependence and portability. The portability of a software RAID1 hard

Re: [CentOS-virt] Slightly OT: FakeRaid or Software Raid

2009-12-02 Thread Grant McWilliams
Personally, I never touch raid5, but then, I'm on sata. I do agree that there are benifits to hardware raid with battery backed cache if you do use raid5 (but I think raid5 is usually a mistake, unless it's all read only, in which case you are better off using main memory for cache. you

Re: [CentOS-virt] Slightly OT: FakeRaid or Software Raid

2009-12-02 Thread Manuel Wolfshant
On 12/03/2009 03:08 AM, Grant McWilliams wrote: Personally, I never touch raid5, but then, I'm on sata. I do agree that there are benifits to hardware raid with battery backed cache if you do use raid5 (but I think raid5 is usually a mistake, unless it's all read only, in

Re: [CentOS-virt] Slightly OT: FakeRaid or Software Raid

2009-12-02 Thread Luke S Crawford
Grant McWilliams grantmasterfl...@gmail.com writes: Interesting thoughts on raid5 although I doubt many would agree. I don't see how the drive type has ANYTHING to do with the RAID level. raid5 tends to suck on small random writes; SATA sucks on small random anything, so your worst-case

Re: [CentOS-virt] Slightly OT: FakeRaid or Software Raid

2009-12-02 Thread Christopher G. Stach II
- Grant McWilliams grantmasterfl...@gmail.com wrote: Portability is no different with a RAID controller as long as you've standardized on controllers. For this to be true, it would have to be absolute. Since many people have evidence that it is not true, it's not absolute. Controllers of