Re: [Cerowrt-devel] bufferbloat and the web service providers

2012-12-09 Thread Maciej Soltysiak
What are the heaviest (amount of elements, css, images, scripts, js bugs, ad trackers, all that filth) websites out there? I wonder if it'd be worthwhile to demo loading that in a standard bloated environment and compare with debloated setup? Maybe that could be a variant of your idea below but ge

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] bufferbloat and the web service providers

2012-12-09 Thread Jonathan Morton
On 9 Dec, 2012, at 6:14 pm, Maciej Soltysiak wrote: > What are the heaviest (amount of elements, css, images, scripts, js bugs, ad > trackers, all that filth) websites out there? Amazon, RS Components, ICanHazCheezburger, AOL (shudder) - those spring to mind immediately. - Jonathan

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] bufferbloat and the web service providers

2012-12-09 Thread Dave Taht
The results of the rrul benchmark in conjunction with the chrome web page benchmark tests in combination with the debloat and simple_qos.sh script in combination with linux 3.6.9 are so frigging spectacular at 4Mbit uplinks and above, that I'm reluctant to publish them. I've tested dozens of web s

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Bufferbloat at LUG talk - Meeting Report

2012-12-09 Thread Richard Brown
Folks, I gave the talk to the local Linux User Group on Thursday, and it went really well. Two people came up to me after the talk and said, in effect, "You know, I think I've seen this. But I've always blamed something else." Their experience: - Attempting to Skype with a bunch of web browser

[Cerowrt-devel] the iwl driver sucks

2012-12-09 Thread Dave Taht
I am happy to report that ad-hoc mode (used by cero in mesh networking mode) still works in 3.6.9-5. On the other hand the iwl driver in linux 3.6.8 is nearly unusable in paris, generically, on my laptop. I have no idea why, I just want to get an ath9k chip into it so I don't have to deal with it.

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Bufferbloat at LUG talk - Meeting Report

2012-12-09 Thread Maciej Soltysiak
Excellent job Richard! Those slides are very clean and informative and you got fantastic real life user reports! Point #1 is very common: lots of behind-the-scenes javascript, buffering, asynchronous requests, facebook chat box and updates, etc. I was trying to make a mock conversation for the pur

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] cerowrt 3.6.9-5

2012-12-09 Thread Michael Richardson
> "Dave" == Dave Taht writes: Dave> I go back, however, to worrying about encapsulated traffic (such as Dave> vpn) that might need to ignore classification in order to Dave> preserve the Dave> stream boundries What do you mean here? -- ] He who is tired of Weird

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Bufferbloat at LUG talk - Meeting Report

2012-12-09 Thread Richard Brown
Hello Maciej, Thanks for the kind words about my presentation. Your imagined dialog is spot on. It's a good way to let people recognize this common situation, and what the fix might be. Best regards, Rich On Dec 9, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Maciej Soltysiak mailto:mac...@soltysiak.com>> wrote: Exc

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] cerowrt 3.6.9-5

2012-12-09 Thread Dave Taht
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: > >> "Dave" == Dave Taht writes: > Dave> I go back, however, to worrying about encapsulated traffic (such as > Dave> vpn) that might need to ignore classification in order to > Dave> preserve the > Dave> stream boundri