Re: [Cerowrt-devel] DOCSIS 3+ recommendation?

2015-03-19 Thread Jonathan Morton
On 19 Mar, 2015, at 19:04, Michael Richardson m...@sandelman.ca wrote: Jim Gettys j...@freedesktop.org wrote: Moral 1: anything not tested by being used on an ongoing basis, doesn't work. Moral 2: Companies like Comcast do not (currently) control their own destiny, since they outsourced

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] DOCSIS 3+ recommendation?

2015-03-19 Thread dpreed
How many years has it been since Comcast said they were going to fix bufferbloat in their network within a year? And LTE operators haven't even started. THat's a sign that the two dominant sectors of Internet Access business are refusing to support quality Internet service. (the old saying

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] DOCSIS 3+ recommendation?

2015-03-19 Thread JF Tremblay
On Mar 19, 2015, at 9:53 AM, dpr...@reed.com wrote: How many years has it been since Comcast said they were going to fix bufferbloat in their network within a year? Any quote on that? THat's a sign that the two dominant sectors of Internet Access business are refusing to support

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] DOCSIS 3+ recommendation?

2015-03-19 Thread Michael Richardson
Jim Gettys j...@freedesktop.org wrote: Moral 1: anything not tested by being used on an ongoing basis, doesn't work. Moral 2: Companies like Comcast do not (currently) control their own destiny, since they outsourced too much of the technology to others. Moral 2 might be

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] DOCSIS 3+ recommendation?

2015-03-19 Thread Dave Taht
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 6:53 AM, dpr...@reed.com wrote: How many years has it been since Comcast said they were going to fix bufferbloat in their network within a year? It is unfair to lump every individual in an organization together. All orgs have people trying to do the right thing(s), and

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] DOCSIS 3+ recommendation?

2015-03-19 Thread Jim Gettys
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:11 AM, JF Tremblay jean-francois.tremb...@viagenie.ca wrote: On Mar 19, 2015, at 9:53 AM, dpr...@reed.com wrote: How many years has it been since Comcast said they were going to fix bufferbloat in their network within a year? ​They had hoped to be able to use

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] DOCSIS 3+ recommendation?

2015-03-19 Thread dpreed
I'll look up the quote, when I get home from California, in my email archives. It may have been private email from Richard Woundy (an engineering SVP at Comcast who is the person who drove the CableLabs effort forward, working with Jim Gettys - doing the in-house experiments...). To be clear,

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] DOCSIS 3+ recommendation?

2015-03-18 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi David, On March 18, 2015 5:34:30 AM GMT+01:00, David P. Reed dpr...@reed.com wrote: It is not the cable modem itself that is bufferbloated. It is the head end working with the cable modem. Docsis 3 has mechanisms to avoid queue buildup but they are turned on by the head end. I seem to

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] DOCSIS 3+ recommendation?

2015-03-18 Thread JF Tremblay
On Mar 18, 2015, at 2:26 AM, Jonathan Morton chromati...@gmail.com wrote: DOCSIS 3.1 mandates support for AQM (at minimum the PIE algorithm) in both CPE and head end. If you can get hold of a D3.1 modem […]. That last part might involve robbing the house of a Comcast employee... ;)

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] DOCSIS 3+ recommendation?

2015-03-18 Thread Jonathan Morton
Right, so until 3.1 modems actually become available, it's probably best to stick with a modem that already supports your subscribed speed, and manage the bloat separately with shaping and AQM. - Jonathan Morton ___ Cerowrt-devel mailing list

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] DOCSIS 3+ recommendation?

2015-03-18 Thread Jonathan Morton
DOCSIS 3.1 mandates support for AQM (at minimum the PIE algorithm) in both CPE and head end. If you can get hold of a D3.1 modem, you'll at least be ready for the corresponding upgrade by your ISP. Unfortunately I don't know which cable modems support which DOCSIS versions, but it should be

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] DOCSIS 3+ recommendation?

2015-03-17 Thread David P. Reed
It is not the cable modem itself that is bufferbloated. It is the head end working with the cable modem. Docsis 3 has mechanisms to avoid queue buildup but they are turned on by the head end. I don't know for sure but I believe that the modem itself cannot measure or control the queueing in

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] DOCSIS 3+ recommendation?

2015-03-17 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:35:32 -0700, Matt Taggart said: Hi cerowrt-devel, My cable internet provider (Comcast) has been pestering me (monthly email and robocalls) to upgrade my cable modem to something newer. But I _like_ my current one (no wifi, battery backup) and it's been very stable and

[Cerowrt-devel] DOCSIS 3+ recommendation?

2015-03-16 Thread Matt Taggart
Hi cerowrt-devel, My cable internet provider (Comcast) has been pestering me (monthly email and robocalls) to upgrade my cable modem to something newer. But I _like_ my current one (no wifi, battery backup) and it's been very stable and can handle the data rates I am paying for. But they are