Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Random thought - reactions?

2017-12-17 Thread dpreed
Nine From: David Lang Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 6:14 PM To: Joel Wirāmu Pauling Cc: David Reed; cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Random thought - reactions? There are two different issues here. 1. the last mile ISP plays

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Random thought - reactions?

2017-12-15 Thread David Lang
There are two different issues here. 1. the last mile ISP plays games with the traffic for their own benefit (and thir competitors detriment) 2. the government wants to spy on everybody It's possible for the VPN tunnel providers to solve problem #1 without solving problem #2 k

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Random thought - reactions?

2017-12-15 Thread Joel Wirāmu Pauling
Here in New Zealand ; any provider operating a 'Network of National Significance' must hand over any encryption keys on demand to what is our local equivalent of the NSA. This makes a very high disincentive for anyone to provide end to end encryption by design in their access and transport networks

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Random thought - reactions?

2017-12-15 Thread dpreed
Thanks for this. I hadn't seen it yet. On Friday, December 15, 2017 2:32pm, "tapper" said: > Motherboard & VICE Are Building a Community Internet Network > https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/j5djd7/motherboard-and-vice-are-building-a-community-internet-network-to-protect-net-neutrali

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Random thought - reactions?

2017-12-15 Thread tapper
Motherboard & VICE Are Building a Community Internet Network https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/j5djd7/motherboard-and-vice-are-building-a-community-internet-network-to-protect-net-neutrality It seems that people are all thinking the same thing, but coming up with different things! The

[Cerowrt-devel] Random thought - reactions?

2017-12-15 Thread dpreed
The disaster in the FCC's move to reverse the Open Internet Order will probably continue. As some of you may know, but most probably don't, I have a somewhat nuanced view of the best way to preserve what is called network neutrality. That's because I have a precise definition of what the Inte