RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread howard
What you are arguing is moral equivalency, is an intellectually bankrupt notion. As for killing, killing can be either right or wrong and whether it is right or wrong can sometimes be hard to judge. Murder is always wrong. There are moral absolutes. Murder is always wrong. Lying is always wron

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread howard
I'm saying, given an informed choice, people will always choose a government that gives them the most personal and economic freedom. We should no longer support or aide governments (or least give as little support and aide as possible) that espouse values contrary to our own. In the new world, th

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread howard
Right for everybody. Freedom is right for everybody. Absolutely, 100 percent right. H. -Original Message- From: chris.alvarado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 1:01 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: jihad for kids .. wh right for who? Absolutes are abso

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread howard
I think the US policy now is to encourage those forces within Afghanistan, and there are some, that will promote democracy and freedom. Afghanistan was a fairly well-to-do country and its people have shown previously to have a good deal of industry. Given a stable government that encourages free e

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread howard
I keep up with the Afghan news pretty well and I haven't heard that. I've heard just the opposite. H. -Original Message- From: Michael Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 9:16 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: jihad for kids .. wh Not sure actually.

Re: Odd Flash files

2002-02-15 Thread Todd
He's that guy that did the thing with the thing. I have also heard rumors that he eats cats. Todd - Original Message - From: "Jon Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 9:26 PM Subject: Odd Flash files > http://www.bafe.nu/kril

Odd Flash files

2002-02-15 Thread Jon Hall
http://www.bafe.nu/krillepetter/ http://www.rathergood.com/alf/ Who is Alf Garnett?? __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-community@houseoffusion.c

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Lon Lentz
I will never accept the premise that "correct" and "right" are subjective. They are not. Killing is not necessarily wrong. Murder is wrong. Completely different. If killing is "wrong", then why do we hire "cops", give them badges and guns, and allow them to "kill" in our name? Why do we

new Ebay scam...

2002-02-15 Thread Jon Hall
Just heard about this. These guys are good. The bad guy is putting digital camera's up on EBay for sale. People pay for them via wire transfer into one of these alternate payment methods accounts. Usually via wire transfer. The bad guy then takes a stolen credit card and buys the camera from an o

Re: Killing is fun. We do it all the time." (Re: jihad for kids .. wheeee)

2002-02-15 Thread Howie Hamlin
You hit that one right on the head: http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/central/02/15/afghan.minister/index.html Howie - Original Message - From: "Will Swain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 12:01 PM Subject: RE: Killing is f

Macromedia article on how to do bad browser detection

2002-02-15 Thread Jon Hall
I was railing against Macromedia.com's bad server side browser detection routine in cf-talk a couple of weeks ago, so boy was I surprised when I saw an article on their site on exactly how they are doing it wrong. On top of all of that, the article is even wrong about how they do it wrong! They de

Its the long weekend

2002-02-15 Thread Larry Lyons
And after creating what may be the world's ugliest drop down box I am out of here. have a good weekend all, I hear a beer calling me. larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 t

Re: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread chris.alvarado
no I'm suggesting exactly what I stated. Absolutes are absolutely wrong. case in point: Killing is wrong. Killing in self defense, is that wrong? most people would tend to say no, if the choice is kill or be killed, and that is the only way, then killing in self defense is not "wrong", which

RE: Totally [ot] Anyone really using MySQL or the newest M$ACCESS

2002-02-15 Thread Simon Horwith
the Office 2000 MSDE is SQL Server 2000 compliant Simon Horwith Macromedia Certified Instructor Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer Fig Leaf Software 1400 16th St NW, # 500 Washington DC 20036 202.797.6570 (direct line) www.figleaf.com -Original Message- From: Garza, Jeff [mailto

RE: Totally [ot] Anyone really using MySQL or the newest M$ACCESS

2002-02-15 Thread Simon Horwith
developer edition has a desktop option when you install it. ~Simon Simon Horwith Macromedia Certified Instructor Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer Fig Leaf Software 1400 16th St NW, # 500 Washington DC 20036 202.797.6570 (direct line) www.figleaf.com -Original Message- From: S

RE: Totally [ot] Anyone really using MySQL or the newest M$ACCESS

2002-02-15 Thread Garza, Jeff
You'll need your Office2000 CD Disk 1. On that disk Browse to the executable: \SQL\X86\SETUP\SETUPSQL.EXE (you'll have to have professional or premium...) This will install MSDE on the machine. I'm not sure if the version included with 2000 is SQL 7 or SQL 2000 compatible I'd guess on the

RE: Totally [ot] Anyone really using MySQL or the newest M$ACCESS

2002-02-15 Thread jremus-lists
MSDE comes with Office 2000 Pro or Visual Studio 6, I believe. Developer edition (from my understanding) is a different thing. I'll include the link that discusses it with relation to VS6, but if you look if you look on your Office 2000 CD under the SQL directory, you'll find it there to install

Re: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Michael Corrigan
There are a lot of grey moral areas. But there are some which are "right" no matter how you slice them. Michael Corrigan Programmer Endora Digital Solutions 1900 S. Highland Avenue, Suite 200 Lombard, IL 60148 630-627-5055 x-136 630/627-5255 Fax - Original Message - From: chris.al

RE: Totally [ot] Anyone really using MySQL or the newest M$ACCESS

2002-02-15 Thread Stephen Garrett
Thanks for the tips! Since I have really only used Oracle and MS Access, do you mean "SQL 2000 Server Developer Edition" or is there a "desktop version"? So far I have just seen the developer edition when I have searched a couple of websites... TIA! Steve At 02:39 PM 2/15/2002 -0500, [EMAIL P

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Lon Lentz
Are you suggesting that "living free" is not right for everyone? > -Original Message- > From: chris.alvarado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 4:01 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: jihad for kids .. wh > > > right for who? > > Absolutes are absolut

Re: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread chris.alvarado
right for who? Absolutes are absolutely wrong... "the right thing" is such a funny term. right for who? we can say "right for me" and that can be true. but right for one person / civilization may not be "right" for another. -chris.alvarado [application developer] 4|Guys Interactive, Inc. ---

Re: Man gives his ex-girlfriend the finger for Valentine's day...

2002-02-15 Thread Nick McClure
It is one thing to cut off somebody elses finger and sent it to somebody. It is a completely different story to cut off your own. At 03:13 PM 2/15/2002 -0500, you wrote: >..literally! > >http://1010wins.com/topstories/StoryFolder/story_1880971376_html > >Ouch! ___

Man gives his ex-girlfriend the finger for Valentine's day...

2002-02-15 Thread Howie Hamlin
..literally! http://1010wins.com/topstories/StoryFolder/story_1880971376_html Ouch! __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-community@houseoffusion.com/

Re: Page Count of Digest..

2002-02-15 Thread Nick McClure
Uh, both How often is the Digest sent? At 01:37 PM 2/15/2002 -0500, you wrote: > I cut and pasted the last digest into Word. It was 678 pages. > > Either we talk too much or quote too much. __ Structure your ColdFusion code

Page Count of Digest..

2002-02-15 Thread Jeffry Houser
I cut and pasted the last digest into Word. It was 678 pages. Either we talk too much or quote too much. -- Jeffry Houser | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Need a Web Developer? Contact me! AIM: Reboog711 | Fax / Phone: 860-223-7946 -- My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com My Band: http://

RE: Totally [ot] Anyone really using MySQL or the newest M$ACCESS

2002-02-15 Thread jremus-lists
I can completely agree with this assessment. We actually run one of our bigger sites on MSDE, which we actually downsized from MS-SQL to save on licensing costs. Works great, and by all appearances, seems like MSSQL. In almost every case, time (ms) was nearly the same, in a couple of situations

RE: Totally [ot] Anyone really using MySQL or the newest M$ACCESS

2002-02-15 Thread Garza, Jeff
I think you might want to consider MSDE (Desktop version of SQL Server). This version is functionally the same as MSSQL 2000 with the exception that it limits you to 5 concurrent connections. If this is a small group or a medium sized group with quasi-persistant connections, this will work fine.

For the Jedi Master in all of us... (esp Ray...)

2002-02-15 Thread Cameron Childress
Star Wars Custom Pimp Lando & Ho Leia Figures http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1696194941 Hehe, collectables rock... -Cameron Cameron Childress elliptIQ Inc. p.770.460.1035.232 f.770.460.0963 -- http://www.neighborware.com _

Re: Note to our Web Designer..

2002-02-15 Thread Todd
lol @ sand dunes and mountains in Louissianna Todd - Original Message - From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 2:05 PM Subject: RE: Note to our Web Designer.. > Louissianna or thereabouts I think :) > > -Gel >

Totally [ot] Anyone really using MySQL or the newest M$ACCESS

2002-02-15 Thread Stephen Garrett
Hey all. First of all this is mostly not CF related, but perhaps a bit since CF/Web pieces may place a part. I'm running into a situation where I have a VB program that is currently using M$Access97 sort of things. A couple of times now the database has eaten itself, which is not a good thing, e

RE: Note to our Web Designer..

2002-02-15 Thread Larry Lyons
Where is Russel when you need him. larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com http://www.pacel.com

RE: Note to our Web Designer..

2002-02-15 Thread Angel Stewart
Louissianna or thereabouts I think :) -Gel -Original Message- From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] where is this client located? Todd __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place

RE: Note to our Web Designer..

2002-02-15 Thread Nick McClure
Ih, wouldn't they consider sand to be a color of brown ;-) At 02:48 PM 2/15/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Ok...my boy redid the site design...this time putting a really cool >picture in the background: > >Sand dunes. > >The response I got back from the states: >"Angel..you've been here. The Sanddunes a

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Larry Lyons
True, I just hate over generalizations. Generally they are too general. Generally speaking that is. larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 3

Re: Note to our Web Designer..

2002-02-15 Thread Todd
where is this client located? Todd - Original Message - From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 1:48 PM Subject: RE: Note to our Web Designer.. > Ok...my boy redid the site design...this time putting a really coo

RE: Note to our Web Designer..

2002-02-15 Thread Angel Stewart
Ok...my boy redid the site design...this time putting a really cool picture in the background: Sand dunes. The response I got back from the states: "Angel..you've been here. The Sanddunes are further away than the mountains are. Please use one of the pictures that we sent you from our portfolio.

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Lon Lentz
The problem here is you either have what the Soviets did in Afghanistan which was rip the American flags off of the grain bags and stick Soviet flags on, or more likely what Aidid did which was just to mow everyone down with machine guns and steal the relief effort (in the process murdering

RE: Anyone good with math?

2002-02-15 Thread Phillip Broussard
Thanks! That's what I thought but I wanted to make sure my math was right. ©¿© - So who wants to explain the quadratic equation to me? hehehe > -Original Message- > From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 9:30 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re:

Re: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Howie Hamlin
The Somalian government has recently been asking for US money because several bank accounts were frozen after 9/11. One of their foreign ministers was on an interview that I saw and he plainly said that Somalia needs American dollars Howie - Original Message - From: "Lon Lentz" <[

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Lon Lentz
I agree with your notion of the Northern Alliance's human rights record. We should have Powell over there telling them that if they step out of line, we will do to them what we did to the Taliban. One good thing though will be the on going presence of foreign countries. Peace keepers, humani

Re: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Jon Hall
Point taken. It would have to be done right if at all. Replace all with the majority in my sentence. :) - Original Message - From: "Larry Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 12:39 PM Subject: RE: jihad for kids .. wh > Su

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Angel Stewart
You can't ascribe the neighbour next door, to trying to run the affairs of an entire nation. IF a country breaks International Law then there are remedies. Witness what is happening to Milosovic, for War Crimes, Genocide..etc. There ARE remedies. However when you DECIDE that one should impose one

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Will Swain
The UK was allowed to launch a few missles by the US. That was pretty much the limit of our involvement. Believe me, Blair would have gotten us a lot more involved than that if he had been able. Remember too, that the majority of US involvement centred around a high level bombing campaign, with mi

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Will Swain
hmmm...not THAT well then will -Original Message- From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 February 2002 17:40 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: jihad for kids .. wh Such as Zimbabwe I assume? or Kenya? larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advan

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Larry Lyons
Such as Zimbabwe I assume? or Kenya? larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com http://www.pacel.co

Re: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Jon Hall
I have been thinking along the same lines in the back of my head for awhile. I'm not sure if it's a good idea, but all of England's former colonies are certainly doing very well today... jon - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Frida

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Lon Lentz
The Afghanis are telling us we need to be gone in a year (not withstanding our embassy). We did for the Northern Alliance in a few months something neither they, nor the other Taliban haters, could do in 10 years. We will undoubtedly give them money, as we do every other American hating coun

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Will Swain
cool.i get a dividend soon...so xbox here i come. :) will -Original Message- From: Michael Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 February 2002 17:27 To: CF-Community Subject: Re: jihad for kids .. wh C'mon man, GW had him at the State of the Union address and pointed him

Re: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Michael Corrigan
C'mon man, GW had him at the State of the Union address and pointed him out. That's gotta mean something! ;^) Yeah, Xbox rules. I actually contemplated exchanging it for a PS2, but when I compared the spec sheets, I quickly opened it up and started to play! I bought the DVD player extension

Re: Anyone good with math?

2002-02-15 Thread Jon Hall
Just another book reccomendation... I've been reading The History of Pi recently, picked it up for $5 at bn.com. Cool book that explains the history of math, and explains how the science of math evolved. I've learned more about math from this book than from my past teachers. I've been trying to p

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Will Swain
hey man,if I had an xbox I wouldn't be watching the news either!! I guess that the US could have changed its stance on this, but I distinctly remember it because I found it quite surprising. will -Original Message- From: Michael Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 Febru

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Marcus
No one is guaranteed a perfect life in the US. What we are promised is the chance that if we work hard, we CAN have a chance to succeed! You might want to ask those 'millions of blacks' why they CHOOSE to stay in the US. > And by forcefully removing them and imposing your will upon them.. > how

Re: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Michael Corrigan
Not sure actually. I've seen on the news how we're going to help out anyway we can, that we're going to support efforts to establish a democratic government, etc. I'll have to look deeper because I've never heard that. I'm not saying that I don't believe you, you could very well be right, b

Re: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Todd
I think we should offer to build them some nice tall buildings. Wouldn't that cheese al Queda off? >=-) Todd - Original Message - From: "Will Swain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 12:06 PM Subject: RE: jihad for kids .. wh

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Will Swain
really? I understood that the Afghan PM got short shrift when he came asking for help. He was told that the US was not interested. will -Original Message- From: Michael Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 February 2002 17:02 To: CF-Community Subject: Re: jihad for kids .. wh

Re: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Michael Corrigan
I thought we were. We just agreed to send them a boatload of money and resources. I don't know if it made it through congress yet, but I believe it will get signed overwhelmingly. Michael Corrigan Programmer Endora Digital Solutions 1900 S. Highland Avenue, Suite 200 Lombard, IL 60148 630-627

RE: Killing is fun. We do it all the time." (Re: jihad for kids .. wheeee)

2002-02-15 Thread Will Swain
about you?" As Gel says .. *smirk* http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20020215/D7HMI43O0.html Todd > sorry stephanie...you seem to have missed my point. There is a strong > feeling outside of the US that past US foreign policy has conributed largely > to the situations you are describ

Re: Enron executive commits suicide

2002-02-15 Thread Michael Corrigan
That's strange because I'm getting a whole bunch of them and they are dated today. I thought maybe the list was hiccupping. Guess it's our server. Sorry all. Definitely not trying to resurrect this topic!! Michael Corrigan Programmer Endora Digital Solutions 1900 S. Highland Avenue, Suite

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Will Swain
Why then will the us offer no support now to the efforts to create and maintain a democratic government in Afghanistan? Lets come back to Afghanistan in a couple of years time and see if things are actually any better there for the people. will -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Killing is fun. We do it all the time." (Re: jihad for kids .. wheeee)

2002-02-15 Thread Todd
I think they just like killing "So .. what did you do today?" "Oh me? Not much .. I just beat a government official to death on my way to worship at the most holy place in all of Islam. How about you?" As Gel says .. *smirk* http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20020215/

Re: Enron executive commits suicide

2002-02-15 Thread Nick McClure
I assume, I didn't get it. At 10:47 AM 2/15/2002 -0600, you wrote: >I'm assuming that these posts are somehow being mistakenly sent. If not >then GET OFF OF IT GARY ;^) __ Macromedia ColdFusion 5 Training from the Source S

RE: Enron executive commits suicide

2002-02-15 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
erm, Michael, you need to check your sort date... > - Original Message - > From: Gary McNeel, Jr. > To: CF-Community > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 11:02 PM > Subject: RE: Enron executive commits suicide I think that topic has been quiet for some time Hatton > -O

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Larry Lyons
No these are exactly related to the discussion. For instance you say patriotism is a value. OK fine what sort? Love of country or the jingoistic kind, in other words my country is the best in the world and if you don't like it we'll nuke you until you glow and then shoot you in the dark. The US b

Re: Enron executive commits suicide

2002-02-15 Thread Michael Corrigan
I'm assuming that these posts are somehow being mistakenly sent. If not then GET OFF OF IT GARY ;^) Michael Corrigan Programmer Endora Digital Solutions 1900 S. Highland Avenue, Suite 200 Lombard, IL 60148 630-627-5055 x-136 630/627-5255 Fax - Original Message - From: Gary McNe

Re: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Michael Corrigan
Oh, I wasn't saying that capitalism is bad, quite the opposite. I was just trying to point out that the Declaration doesn't even mandate that a society live in a capitalist one. I believe that economic freedom begets personal freedom. Michael Corrigan Programmer Endora Digital Solutions 1900

Re: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Howie Hamlin
Ooops - already replied, please disregard *my* post :-) Howie (tm) - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 11:56 AM Subject: RE: jihad for kids .. wh > Howie: > > Sorry ... I'm in a rush to get to work

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread howard
Maybe you missed this link ... http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/01/lewis.htm posted here a few days ago. H. -Original Message- From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 8:03 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: jihad for kids .. wh Ok...

Re: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Howie Hamlin
What? I just said that the World is a lot better off with the US in the lead than some radical country... Howie - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 11:54 AM Subject: RE: jihad for kids .. wh > You'

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread howard
Howie: Sorry ... I'm in a rush to get to work and too caught up in this debate. I misread (reading too quick) you're post. Please disregard my previous response. H. -Original Message- From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 8:33 AM To: CF-Commun

Re: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Michael Corrigan
It makes us better because our 'will' as you put it allows them to live their lives free of oppression. Why are you so opposed to that ideal? I am not advocating that the US go in their and create USA2! I'm advocating that we go in there, get rid of the assholes that are starving their peop

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread howard
You're saying a person's desire for freedom is entirely based on circumstances? How does that make sense? H. -Original Message- From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 8:33 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: jihad for kids .. wh What if the US

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread howard
You miss two things -- one is the ground shift in attitudes post Sept. 11. There is indeed a generalized feeling that tyranny must be opposed. The war in Afghanistan started out as an attempt at retribution and became a matter of policy opposing tyranny. It clearly evolved. Hence, we mitigated our

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread howard
Yes, abortion is essentially a policy debate. How you decide where you stand on what U.S. policy to be might depend on your values. But again, you're obfuscating. You're bringing in issues unrelated to my points, thereby trying to avoid directly contradicting my points. And why? Because you can'

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Will Swain
Yeah...probably it could. Then again, it could be a lot better. Either way, crticism is still valid. -Original Message- From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 February 2002 16:33 To: CF-Community Subject: Re: jihad for kids .. wh What if the US wasn't the strongest m

RE: Anyone good with math?

2002-02-15 Thread Simon Horwith
I'll play you a game of chess anytime you'd like I'm an avid player. Actually, the equation is quite different when duplicates are not allowed...I wish I could remember the formula. It's something like (60 * 59 * 58 * 57 * 56 * 55) - (59 * 58 * 57 * 56 * 55 * 54) ~Simon Simon Horwith Macrom

RE: Note to our Web Designer..

2002-02-15 Thread Angel Stewart
I found it amusing. The guy has sat for a day and somehow...for some odd reason..done nothing but brown and mountains for the backdrops and flash splash pages for the site. Gentle suggestion that he should use colors that fit the client's log haven't seemed to work. So this message was sent ove

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread howard
Patriotism is my conviction that this country and those who share our values are superior because our systems were founded on superior ideas. I was just fortunate enough to be born in one such country, instead of, say, Afghanistan. H. -Original Message- From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAI

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread howard
I agree with everything you say, except this: "even that society live in a capitalist system" Freedom is a free market, economic self-determination. You cannot have a truly free society unless each individual has the ability to enjoy the "fruits of his labor" (citing Burke, feel free to change t

Re: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Howie Hamlin
What if the US wasn't the strongest military and economy on the planet? What if, say, Iraq or Afghanistan under the Taliban were? I bet most people would prefer it the way that things currently are. I'm not saying that our policies are all good but the situation in the World could be a lot wor

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Larry Lyons
OK then in that case all the abortion and reproductive rights debate in the last few years has been a policy debate, and not a morality/values debate. fine, the next time I'm arguing with a fanatical right to lifer I'll tell them that. Um values like my country love it or leave it, or my country

Re: Anyone good with math?

2002-02-15 Thread Michael Corrigan
I thought I covered that in the second example by throwing the ball back into the mix after it was chosen which means that the number of combos is 60*60*60*60*60*60. I wrote it as 60^6 because that's how I had to notate it in the old piece off shit computers that the university I went to used

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Angel Stewart
And by forcefully removing them and imposing your will upon them.. how does this make you better than they? The US is a bastion of 'basic humanity'?? Tell that to the millions of blacks in your inner cities. -Gel -Original Message- From: Michael Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] The

RE: Note to our Web Designer..

2002-02-15 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
gel, was this something you had to send out? Hatton > > X,please take my word for this. > No part of the client's logo is brown. > The client does not like brown. > Please stop using brown. Regardless of the shade of brown. > The Tan background is a shade of brown. > Also..the mountains.

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread howard
Larry, you're talking about specific policy matters, not values. Our policies are not always right. Our values, which we don't always live up to, are right. H. -Original Message- From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 8:02 AM To: CF-Community Subje

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread howard
Gel: Are you saying the people want to live under tyranny? Are you saying that freedom is wrong and tyranny is right? Because either you agree that freedom is right, or you disagree. The choice is simple: Freedom or tyranny. There is no middle ground. Would you say that murder is a morally neu

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2002-02-15 Thread Will Swain
where has that come from? Im sorry but I just don't buy the 'It's for the good of manknd' holy war thing. America was threatened by a foe and has responded like any state would, with violence. I really think it is as simple as that. That's not to say that I am critising that response, simply that

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2002-02-15 Thread Will Swain
sorry stephanie...you seem to have missed my point. There is a strong feeling outside of the US that past US foreign policy has conributed largely to the situations you are describing, and furthermore, that current US foreign policy is failing to address this issue. Also, I think you need to get

RE: Anyone good with math?

2002-02-15 Thread Brockman, Chuck
Good, that's why I always lurk on the list, don't want to offend too many people -Original Message- From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 11:15 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Anyone good with math? No offense taken. It was just me trying to be

Re: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Michael Corrigan
Well said Stephanie! Michael Corrigan Programmer Endora Digital Solutions 1900 S. Highland Avenue, Suite 200 Lombard, IL 60148 630-627-5055 x-136 630/627-5255 Fax - Original Message - From: Stephenie Hamilton To: CF-Community Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:12 AM Subject:

RE: Anyone good with math?

2002-02-15 Thread Simon Horwith
of course, this changes when you have duplicate values in any of the groups, and duplicates are not allowed in your result set. Not too tough to figure out, but it makes things more interesting, for sure. By the way, for those of you interested in learning more about these typres of equations (p

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2002-02-15 Thread Angel Stewart
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Re: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Michael Corrigan
I don't think he's advocating US values other than basic freedoms. He's even stated that our system has had, and still, has it's flaws. What culture abhors living freely? What society opposes self determination? Who would rather live under an oppressive government than to live under one tha

RE: Anyone good with math?

2002-02-15 Thread Nick McClure
No offense taken. It was just me trying to be funny At 11:13 AM 2/15/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Sorry, didn't mean to be offensive. I was just trying to cover for my lack >of math knowledge. > >-Original Message- >From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Friday, February 15, 200

RE: Anyone good with math?

2002-02-15 Thread Brockman, Chuck
Sorry, didn't mean to be offensive. I was just trying to cover for my lack of math knowledge. -Original Message- From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 11:09 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Anyone good with math? College, I didn't go to College.

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Angel Stewart
"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it." George Bernard Shaw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] And any Manifest Destiny policy now needs to improve on the mistakes of our foref

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2002-02-15 Thread Nick McClure
College, I didn't go to College. Maybe that is why I have such a low GPA. At 11:06 AM 2/15/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I think I had too much fun in college, yeah, that's my excuse for not >remembering. > >-Original Message- >From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Friday, Februa

RE: Anyone good with math?

2002-02-15 Thread Brockman, Chuck
I think I had too much fun in college, yeah, that's my excuse for not remembering. -Original Message- From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 11:04 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Anyone good with math? No, you are almost correct. n!, which means

RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee

2002-02-15 Thread Larry Lyons
OK Manifest destiny also has resulted in a war with Canada as well as numerous terrorist raids (1812 and the Fenian raids). More recently during the medicare debate in Canada (in the mid-60's) there was active US government in trying to stop national medical coverage in Canada. Similarly in the

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2002-02-15 Thread Angel Stewart
In other words dominate and oppress the population,kill and enslave those that resent western intervention, until a suitable puppet regime that carries out the will of Western nations can be instated. Right. -Gel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] S

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2002-02-15 Thread Stephenie Hamilton
you know what? i am sick of this bickering. If people are being oppressed, beaten, killed, robbed, raped and other horrible things by their OWN govt. and no one else will step in, then how can we not? How can we let these atrocities continue? People outside the US may not like. tough shit! I don'

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