RE: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Heald, Tim
>>even if we knew she was susceptible we would still have gone ahead with the pregnancy Also the red cross is a private organization. One to which donate blood and money. I have no problem with opt in charity that I choose to support. I have a problem being forced to support things. It all boils

RE: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread John Stanley
>>People sometimes choose the situation they are in, but mostly, they don't. If we didn't spend the money on the people who choose their situation, then we'd have it for those who don't without having to tax the asses off of everyone else. >>To spout on about how somebody is in a situation due to

IIS LogFiles

2003-06-03 Thread cfhelp
I wanted to build my own log file reader to replace Web Trends. I changed the IIS Log to ODBC. Everything is working but... Is there a way to ad cs(User-Agent) cs(Cookie) cs(Referer) to the ODBC format? Rick ~| Archives: http://ww

RE: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Heald, Tim
It favors the porductive. Tim Heald MCP/CCFD Information Systems Specialist Overseas Security Advisory Council U.S. Department of State (202) 663-0130 > -Original Message- > From: Kevin Graeme [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 10:19 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject:

RE: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Heald, Tim
High School and college, with three children and it's just bad luck? Come on man. Now if you saying there are just these two people who are in school having a hard time finding work, I understand, but worst case there is always McDonalds in the short term to meet your requirements. Hell you co

RE: Colin Powell: "This is BS"

2003-06-03 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Michael, Cynical response: Question is, can you name a politician who has enough of a following to make it to president who hasn't had to be a mouthpiece for the powers that be at one point in their careers? Balanced response: There is much we don't know about what happened, most critically, how

RE: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread John Stanley
We already have public schools and school lunch programs (that also include breakfast in alot of cases now). -Original Message- From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 9:24 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for There

RE: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Nick McClure
There is a gray area, if somebody has kids, and falls on hard times, society and the community have a responsibility to make sure the kids are still able to get to school and can eat. > -Original Message- > From: John Stanley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 9:05 A

RE: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread John Stanley
Just a question. What exact percentage of the poor's income do they have to pay as taxes. Specifically, when you consider the EIC. Is it more or less than the 30% of my income that I have to pay? -Original Message- From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 9

RE: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Adam Reynolds
Tim, WTF? How can you prepare for something that you may have no idea will happen? You do come across as very arrogant and almost ignorant. People sometimes choose the situation they are in, but mostly, they don't. Things happen. People deal with it as best they can. Sounds like there are some lovi

RE: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Nick McClure
Well, society to me usually means a more local issue, not a national or global one. Society is bigger than community. Churches and charities can choose who they want to help based on any number of factors, the government doesn't have that ability. I think the job should lie in the state and local

RE: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Kevin Graeme
I agree that many, many people have kids that can't financially support them by generally accepted "modern" standards. However, shit happens and many people already with kids get put into a position of financial stress. Divorce, death, tornado, whatever. No people aren't "trapped" in the sense of

RE: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Nick McClure
Well, one is high school, one is college. Right now, only one has been able to find work, the other spends a lot of time trying to find work. In their case it really is bad luck, remember, 90% of the time, I am on your side, but I think we still have some responsibility to help people if they do

RE: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Heald, Tim
Also what about society, versus community? Churches, local charity. Why should this be a national issue? You say society, but then shouldn't we be supporting those less fortunate in say Canada? Tim > -Original Message- > From: John Stanley [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June

RE: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread John Stanley
>>I think we as a society should help people who have come on hard times, but >>the point is to get them back on their feet, and make sure the children are >>taken care of. How much responsibility does a society have to help those less fortunate? The value of a human life has increased dramaticall

RE: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Heald, Tim
What are the bad circumstances, and bad luck here? How many jobs do the parent(s) work? What is their level of education? Is there really bad luck, or just a lack f preperation? Tim > -Original Message- > From: Nick McClure [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 8:44 A

RE: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Nick McClure
Yes, I do, but the circumstances are very difficult to completely understand. It is not based because of irresponsible, but bad timing and bad luck. They could afford the kids until other circumstances came along. I think we as a society should help people who have come on hard times, but the poi

RE: Colin Powell: "This is BS"

2003-06-03 Thread Heald, Tim
Hehe, I was thinking pretty much the same thing. Tim > -Original Message- > From: John Stanley [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 8:17 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Colin Powell: "This is BS" > > > Do you agree that no matter who gets ele

RE: Colin Powell: "This is BS"

2003-06-03 Thread John Stanley
Do you agree that no matter who gets elected, there will be more of the same "something". By that I mean, more of the same selling out to whatever special interests they hold dear. How can anyone rise to the power of the presidency without selling their soul on innumerable occasions? ---

RE: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Heald, Tim
What is this 8K number you keep throwing around? Tim > -Original Message- > From: Dana Tierney [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 5:10 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for > > so 13800 a year max and 8k is realistic for

RE: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Heald, Tim
Thank god that guy is there so that I can do as well as I do. Seriously. Lets stop pretending that we don't have different classes in the US, or that a lower class isn't a necessary evil. The thing about the U.S. that makes it better than other times and places is that you are not TRAPPED in your

Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS"

2003-06-03 Thread Michael Dinowitz
The "Powell Doctrine" is a military paper on when to fight a war and how. It goes into stuff like attacking your enemy with overwhelming force to stop them dead in their tracks. Problem is, it only applies to him or his forces. If anyone else uses it, Powell condemns them. > by the way I just got

Re: Relocation Tips

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
submarines. In NM. Riight. Those people were obviously related to the people in Roswell who saw the UFOs. Geez Louise, the Rio Grande is practically the only water in the state and its usually about an inch deep lol. Anyway, if you are ever back this way Santa Fe is definitely worth a look, an

Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS"

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
by the way I just got around to this link and its unavailable ? what did it say? Michael Dinowitz writes: > His backstory once made him very attractive to me as a candidate. Problem is, > he's become just another mouthpiece for the powers that be and is just not > someone I'd vote for anymore. >

Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS"

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
Interesting. The main partner in that Syria deal is headquartered in Oklahoma, but three of its divisions are in Houston. Also, they say something about future deals in Syria... I bet the Syrians are jsut thrilled about that Dana Michael Dinowitz writes: > Yes. Bush thinks of Bush first, Bush

Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS"

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
that syria story is pretty scary. I mean... I say I assume they are crooked and that they lie and yet the confirmation when it comes always goes far enough beyond what I had considered possible to scare me. So basically we just bullied them into giving up the oil, huh. Wow. Wonder if Haliburton ge

Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS"

2003-06-03 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Yes. Bush thinks of Bush first, Bush second, Bush third, America fourth and everyone else, even America's long term allies, last. He'll be up for election and he'll win. Look at his actions in the middle east (not Iraq): U.S. threatened sanctions if Israel blocked 'Roadmap' http://216.26.163.62/20

Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS"

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
you think he will be re-elected? Michael Dinowitz writes: > Unfortunately, it will be more of the same. The whole road map being forced > (illegally) down Israel's throat is being done for one reason and one reason > only; re-election. We'll have more Bush, more Cheney, more Powell, more of the >

Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS"

2003-06-03 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Unfortunately, it will be more of the same. The whole road map being forced (illegally) down Israel's throat is being done for one reason and one reason only; re-election. We'll have more Bush, more Cheney, more Powell, more of the same. > If n fact he is just another mouth piece, no. Last thing

Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS"

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
If n fact he is just another mouth piece, no. Last thing we need is more of the same. Dana Michael Dinowitz writes: > His backstory once made him very attractive to me as a candidate. Problem is, > he's become just another mouthpiece for the powers that be and is just not > someone I'd vote for

IE6 is the new NS4

2003-06-03 Thread jon hall
http://www.web-graphics.com/mtarchive/000881.php I've finally gotten around to reading all the analysis of all the big news last week about IE, and my first response is to hate Microsoft and their buggy browser, and my second is to perhaps I should resign myself to fealty to the Microsoft empire.

Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS"

2003-06-03 Thread Michael Dinowitz
His backstory once made him very attractive to me as a candidate. Problem is, he's become just another mouthpiece for the powers that be and is just not someone I'd vote for anymore. Just as an aside, let me throw this into the mix. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/teachers/lessonplans/iraq/powell

Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS"

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
I dunno... I could conceive of voting for him and I am sure as hell not a Republican. This may change if he appears to have been dishonest. I also wondered if he wasn't the source for that story. Dana jon hall writes: > Perhaps it may appear so on the surface, but I really can't agree. The > adm

Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS"

2003-06-03 Thread jon hall
Perhaps it may appear so on the surface, but I really can't agree. The administration want's Powell to be a "yes man", but obviously he doesn't like it. Cheney is the one who originally wrote the BS in the first place. Much has been made about Powell disagreeing with the administration on a lot of

Re: Star wars punk sueing

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
(laughs) boy, is there a huge difference in versions here. I don't suppose anyone has the French language transcript in their cache? Talk about he said she said. Dana Dana Tierney writes: > wow this kid was from quebec? both links to a transcript (french and > english) are down. I am listening t

Re: Star wars punk sueing

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
wow this kid was from quebec? both links to a transcript (french and english) are down. I am listening to the audio file though. Dana William Wheatley writes: > http://www.waxy.org/archive/2003/05/29/ghyslain.shtml > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was goo

Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS"

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
I agree. A shame he didn't refuse to read ANY of it. Michael Dinowitz writes: > Powell, who I once thought I respected, is nothing more than a "yes man" for > Bush and the forces in the state department. He is definitely not in charge of > anything. > > > > On the evening of February 1, two do

Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
OK I have been stymied by stupid dtuff, and took it out on your question. Since the argument involved a lot of long urls and calculations I threw it into html and it is here: http://d903964.u27.0web-hosting.com/socialsecurity.html It isn't meant to be pretty, just legible. But this is why I say t

Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS"

2003-06-03 Thread Howie Hamlin
My sentiments exactly. His credibility is shot... - Original Message - From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 10:24 PM Subject: Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS" > Powell, who I once thought I respected, is nothing m

Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS"

2003-06-03 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Powell, who I once thought I respected, is nothing more than a "yes man" for Bush and the forces in the state department. He is definitely not in charge of anything. > On the evening of February 1, two dozen American officials gathered in a spacious conference room at the Central Intelligence Age

Colin Powell: "This is BS"

2003-06-03 Thread Howie Hamlin
On the evening of February 1, two dozen American officials gathered in a spacious conference room at the Central Intelligence Agency in Langley, Va. The time had come to make the public case for war against Iraq. For six hours that Saturday, the men and women of the Bush administration argued ab

Re: More on Iraq's non-existant WMDs

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
(devil's advote mode on, please don't have an infaction over this) well there are some opinions I find it hard to let pass by. I will confess to being mouthy :) but eh, I don't really quarrel with the designation so much as how he arrived at it. If left is usually liberal and right is usually cons

Re: Interesting Article

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
Yeah but Larry that woman was due in days wasn't she? I think she has a point, I just don't think it is reasonable to expect NARAL to agree with her. Nor did I see the point of including the woman with the disabled daughter. Dana Larry C. Lyons writes: > Not really I merely extended the argumen

RE: Guess what? High Definition TV really is cool.

2003-06-03 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Dharmesh Goel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 2:57 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Guess what? High Definition TV really is cool. > > I would like to hear more experiences with HD Ready TV's. Currently you > have to get an HD receiv

Re: Interesting Article

2003-06-03 Thread Larry C. Lyons
It is extremism. It completely ignores both legislative and scientific guidelines, and goes for an approach that is held by only an extreme minority of the voters. Ergo its extremist. >Doug, > >I don't see it as extremism. You are assuming they are going to take the >next step and apply it to a

Re: Interesting Article

2003-06-03 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Not really I merely extended the argument you, and that woman used to its logical conclusion. larry >You're putting words in my mouth Larry. Nothing can be done to prevent a >miscarraige and that statement you made is an insult to any women who has >gone through the pain of dealing with a misc

RE: Voting spam

2003-06-03 Thread Mike Randolph
Guilty...as charged. Cheers, Mike Randolph At 12:24 AM 6/3/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Mike Randolph must be a new guy ;) > >Mr. Randolph, don't you realize ALL CF-Community threads go "off-topic"? >The reason? Well, there is no off-topic here ;) > >BUWHAHAHHAHHAAA! > >E with a K > > >>| ---

RE: Voting spam

2003-06-03 Thread Angel Stewart
*humph* -Gel -Original Message- From: Erika L Walker-Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Randolph must be a new guy ;) Mr. Randolph, don't you realize ALL CF-Community threads go "off-topic"? The reason? Well, there is no off-topic here ;) BUWHAHAHHAHHAAA! E with a K ~~~

RE: Voting spam

2003-06-03 Thread Erika L Walker-Arnold
Mike Randolph must be a new guy ;) Mr. Randolph, don't you realize ALL CF-Community threads go "off-topic"? The reason? Well, there is no off-topic here ;) BUWHAHAHHAHHAAA! E with a K >>| -Original Message- >>| From: Mike Randolph [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>| >>| Hello Micha

That face/speech thingy?

2003-06-03 Thread Kevin Graeme
Does anyone still have the link to that face/speech doohickey we were all playing with last year? The one that lets you upload a picture, set key points, then give it some text to synthesize? -Kevin ~| Archives: http://www.houseo

funny gif... political satire

2003-06-03 Thread Paul Ihrig
you can look at this.. http://www.wildcrazy.com/Presidential/canwe.gif kind of cute ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subsc

Re: Interesting Article

2003-06-03 Thread Doug White
We will agree to disagree on this matter. Have a great day. == Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! For CF hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 == If you a

Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread William Bowen
hmmm... ... yes? ... ^_^ will - Original Message - From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 1:50 PM Subject: Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for > yep we're talking need or yep it was supposed to insurance?

Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
er, from the poor to the rich. Dana Tierney writes: > I don't know your income? But I like the sound of your garden! My point is > that however you define need, there are people whose income is above it. > Right now those people still draw social security. Since we know the system > is goign bro

Re: Fw: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Kevin Schmidt
Nah...we'll default before that happens. ;) - Original Message - From: "J. Kris Baca" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 4:28 PM Subject: Re: Fw: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for > Wrong! Your money is gone. The money you're g

Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
I remember the Beatles and the Rolling Stones moving to the US over te 98% tax rate in the UK so I agree with you to a point. That point however falls short of believing a a multimillionaire is goign to work less hard because he won't get social security. In fact, the rate goes down dramatically in

Re: Fw: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread J. Kris Baca
Wrong! Your money is gone. The money you're getting will eventually have to paid back with interest since the gov't is *BORROWING* the money it's giving to you, *NOT* cutting it's spending. We'll be stuck with paying it back plus interest later. That is, in the coming years not only wi

Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
I don't know your income? But I like the sound of your garden! My point is that however you define need, there are people whose income is above it. Right now those people still draw social security. Since we know the system is goign broke wouldnt that be a place to start? I really do have to get so

Re: Interesting Article

2003-06-03 Thread Kevin Schmidt
Doug, I don't see it as extremism. You are assuming they are going to take the next step and apply it to abortion. They just stated what many people believe according the poll in the article I sent that life begins at conception. Extremeism would be legalizing the shooting of abortion doctors.

Re: Interesting Article

2003-06-03 Thread Kevin Schmidt
You're putting words in my mouth Larry. Nothing can be done to prevent a miscarraige and that statement you made is an insult to any women who has gone through the pain of dealing with a miscarraige. - Original Message - From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAI

Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Kevin Schmidt
They may not need it, however when you start putting caps on what people can earn, or get back, you start removing the motivation to work harder beyond the point of where they aren't going to see any return. - Original Message - From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <

Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Kevin Schmidt
Yes you do pay social security, but you will supposedly get it back. Personally I would rather give 3% to SS and let me invest the other 3% on my own and I won't expect anything from the government in the future. - Original Message - From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Communi

Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Doug White
You would have to check with SSA about that, but I believe the rule of thumb is that they take the 10 most productive quarters in calculating the monthly benefit. == Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! For CF hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com ISP

Oracle Woes

2003-06-03 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Haggerty, Mike wrote: > So, the DBA I work with is vacationing in some remote region of Earth, and > I am having some serious Oracle problems. We just installed the XML Parser > on 8i, and for whatever reason it keeps giving me an error... > > ORA-29540: class oracle/xml/parser/plsql/XMLParserCover

Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Doug White
Widowed, no dependents retired Active member of AARP Mostly prepares meals at home, has a garden producing fresh veggies, and fruit trees, Peaches, lemons, and ruby red grapefruit. Make my own flour for breadmaking and, of course blueberry muffins, etc. still has 5 years left on mortgage at 5.25%

Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
I'll have to answer this later. I thnk you are wrong but it would be a complicated explanation and I'll have to look some things up. Need to get some work done now. Dana Nick McClure writes: > The system doesn't take money from the poor and give it to the rich, it just > doesn't take as much fro

Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
so 13800 a year max and 8k is realistic for say a woman that did not work for several years? Dana Doug White writes: > The max Social security payout monthly is around $1150.00 > for those who maxed payin over their working careers. > > == > Stop spam on your

RE: More on Iraq's non-existant WMDs

2003-06-03 Thread Nick McClure
Well, you seem to always disagree, often to the left on things like the economy, war, and the environment than the people who would consider them selves to the right. I don't consider anybody actually being right in the middle, I just don't think it is possible. > -Original Message- > Fro

Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Doug White
The max Social security payout monthly is around $1150.00 for those who maxed payin over their working careers. == Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! For CF hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=

Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
yep we're talking need or yep it was supposed to insurance? lol William Bowen writes: > yup... > > will > > > - Original Message - > From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:58 PM > Subject: Re: What the Bush ta

Re: Interesting Article

2003-06-03 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Can we say permanent injunction? This one is so far beyond the limits that the supreme court has put on abortion laws that it's not even on the horizon. This one will be struck down really fast. I give it a week. larry At 03:43 PM 6/2/2003 -0500, Doug White wrote: >Texas enacted a law just toda

Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
it would be legislated like anything else. Before you fall over laughing, remember I stipulated at the beginning of the discussion that none of this was goign to happen due to the power of the AARP voting bloc. I also think there is something slightly perverted about a society where we can seriousl

Important - cluster bombs are not souvenirs

2003-06-03 Thread Howie Hamlin
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/MediaNews/2003/05/20/91669-ap.html ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Signup

RE: Relocation Tips

2003-06-03 Thread Ian Skinner
No, I never made it past Roswell. Unfortunately my transportation for my entire collage career was a 12 speed bicycle. So, to get father then 10 or 12 miles, I needed to rely on the kindness of peers. I always wanted to get to Carlsbad Caverns. Lived in NM for almost 5 years and never made it.

Re: Interesting Article

2003-06-03 Thread Larry C. Lyons
By your rationale, ever time there is a miscarriage the mother should be charged with murder. larry At 03:01 PM 6/2/2003 -0500, Kevin Schmidt wrote: >That it made NARAL look hypocritical > >- Original Message - >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
You start paying Social Security at about $100 of income. I havene't looked it up but I know it's under $1000. EIC is a federal income tax credit and a different matter. I'd say it reaches somewhat above the truly needy level though -- and it fact up to a point it increases with income. And it's ba

Re: More on Iraq's non-existant WMDs

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
::snicker:: I am waiting for someone to say wait this is PEACEFUL warmongering :) As in so many other things, I disagree, though. Peace at all costs can be far right :) look at the Vichy regime in WWII France. But I am pulling your chain, playing devil's advocate and making you question your catego

Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
that's right, I forgot you need an SUV. That'a a low blow though; let's go at it this way. I don't actually know how much the average Social Security check is, but let's say 8k. Isn't there *some* point beyond which people simply don't need it? Define it by local cost of living, family size, adjust

Re: Interesting Article

2003-06-03 Thread Doug White
Texas enacted a law just today and sent to the Governor for signature. The Texas law now defines a fertilized egg as an individual human life. The law specifically excludes pregnancy termination by legal abortion, but within a very short time, that provision will be removed and there we are. Th

Re: Interesting Article

2003-06-03 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Why? It would be hypocritical if NARAL went to task on the guy. By what the law says what was there was not legally a person. Therefore no homicide or manslaughter occurred in terms of the fetus. I don't see the problem. larry At 03:01 PM 6/2/2003 -0500, Kevin Schmidt wrote: >That it made NARAL

Re: Interesting Article

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
I deal with this issue a lot and I am not sure I see NARAL hypocrisy in this. Because they wouldn't support her for making it a crime to kill an unborn child? I think that they are correct in thinking that such a law might be used to justify restrictions on abortion. Whether restrictions on abortio

RE: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Nick McClure
The system doesn't take money from the poor and give it to the rich, it just doesn't take as much from the rich, or anybody else for that matter. > -Original Message- > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 4:08 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: What

Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Kevin Schmidt
How do you figure? The truly needed don't pay taxes, in fact they get the EIC. - Original Message - From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 3:15 PM Subject: Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for > but we already

Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Kevin Schmidt
So who would get to decide the means? A poor person would always assume the rich have too much and the rich wouldn't know what is needed to get by. Getting by all depends on how you live. I know people that make $100,000 a year and are paycheck to paycheck and I know peopl e making $50,000 that a

Re: Relocation Tips

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
If I can delete threads about scrapple and michael moore and assault weapons they can delete threads where I rave about New Mexico :) Though I liked Central/Western Yexas quite a bit too :) But there are too many danged floods lol. Did you ever get up to Lincoln? It's on my list of places to see.

Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread William Bowen
yup... will - Original Message - From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:58 PM Subject: Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for > I can believe it. Especially if you are in SF NY or DC. But it's about > twice

Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
Well, first of all, such a measure has no hope of passage. To discuss the hypothetical however, I would be in favor of just about any means test as long as there *was* one. I just don't think it is right to take money from people who are struggling for survival and give it to people who don't need

Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Kevin Schmidt
Your want may be someone elses need. - Original Message - From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 2:58 PM Subject: Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for > I can believe it. Especially if you are in SF NY or DC. B

Re: Interesting Article

2003-06-03 Thread Kevin Schmidt
That it made NARAL look hypocritical - Original Message - From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 2:37 PM Subject: Re: Interesting Article > Your point is? > > larry > > At 02:01 PM 6/2/2003 -0500, Kevin Schmidt wrote:

Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
but we already reditribute, only from the needy to the affluent. Kevin Schmidt writes: > How do you determine that it matters or not? Maybe you don't think it > matters to someone with money in the bank, but they might. Trying to > determine what someone needs rather than making it equal across

Re: What the Bush tax cut could have paid for

2003-06-03 Thread Dana Tierney
I can believe it. Especially if you are in SF NY or DC. But it's about twice MY family income so I dont think we are honestly talking NEED at that point do you? Wasn't Social Security originally supposed to be insurance? Dana William Bowen writes: > > $100,000 doesn't go as far as sounds like. >

Oracle Woes

2003-06-03 Thread Haggerty, Mike
So, the DBA I work with is vacationing in some remote region of Earth, and I am having some serious Oracle problems. We just installed the XML Parser on 8i, and for whatever reason it keeps giving me an error... ORA-29540: class oracle/xml/parser/plsql/XMLParserCover does not exist At the same ti

RE: Hybrid Burning Software

2003-06-03 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Glad to help. larry At 03:34 PM 6/2/2003 -0400, Nick McClure wrote: >I think that sounds like the best way to go. Thanks for your help. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 3:21 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE:

RE: Guess what? High Definition TV really is cool.

2003-06-03 Thread Matthew Small
And talk about product durability. That little TV has been around the world with me on two ships and in the Mojave Desert for a couple of months. I bought it at the Memphis Naval Air Station when I was stationed there in 1990. And it was a floor model - the last one. Matthew Small IT Director Sh

RE: ironic

2003-06-03 Thread Heald, Tim
A better idea would be to bring home all of the troops we have overseas currently. Then we install them in bases in these domestic areas. Of course I would really like to see a conversion into a quick reaction defene oriented force, the savaings would be incredible. Tim Heald MCP/CCFD Informatio

Re: Interesting Article

2003-06-03 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Your point is? larry At 02:01 PM 6/2/2003 -0500, Kevin Schmidt wrote: >http://www.msnbc.com/news/920645.asp?0cb=-114159717&cp1=1 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.ho

RE: Hybrid Burning Software

2003-06-03 Thread Nick McClure
I think that sounds like the best way to go. Thanks for your help. > -Original Message- > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 3:21 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Hybrid Burning Software > > What's wrong with just having a shortcut to the appl

RE: ironic

2003-06-03 Thread Haggerty, Mike
Matthew - Great point. Perhaps we should invite foreign militaries to install bases in economically depressed areas of the US, in order to benefit from the foreign presence. I'm thinking Pennsylvania alone could host dozens of bases. M -Original Message- From: Matthew Small [mailto:[

Re: Want to die with us?

2003-06-03 Thread William Wheatley
Not a strange website so much as strange people doing strange things out there :) But no stranger then we get in the us. "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" Frank Barone, "Everybody Lo

RE: Guess what? High Definition TV really is cool.

2003-06-03 Thread Angel Stewart
How's THAT for backward compatibility? ;-) -Gel -Original Message- From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] One funny thing is that I use the same code for the universal remote on both my newish HDTV (bought in '01) and my 13-year old 13 inch Samsung TV. ~

  1   2   >