Myopia? Corporate America?
How could those two concepts ever be related? ;^)
Jim Davis
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Most likely. I am just making the point that being lazy or ignorant
aren't usually good excuses for breaking the law. But yeah, I doubt
there is (usually) actual prejudice there. I remember the case I
mentioned because I answered him when he asked the same thing -- isn't
this discrimination.
Dana
Yeah. I know when I was in DC it was common to see jobs that said US
citizens only. Here too. Usually means there is a clearance
requirement. I suppose it would be legal to individually determine
that all of your positions require a clearance, if you are Los Alamos,
for example. But I am not a lawy
yes, there seems to be a sort of myopia in corporate American that
outsourcing is both cheaper and better. I keep seeing articles in the
IT magazines questioning whether this trend is rational or even
prudent. Apparently the corporate types aren't reading them, because I
also keep reading about new
This happens, for what it's worth, at the corporate level as well, but it
reverse (at least sometimes). My company, for example, has a far reaching
contract with an Indian consulting firm. The numbers have been slowly but
steadily growing, but right now at least a third of our on-site staff aren'
> -Original Message-
> From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 11:29 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: _Isn't_it_Discrimination?
>
> Yeah. The posts Asim mentioned seem like they could be a little more
> grey though. It appears that it might be oka
ahem, getting back to the actual situation of the original poster,
yes, you are probably right.
Dana
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:20:08 -0800, William Bowen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> IANAL, but I think what you're seeing in this case is a result of the
> US Government crackdown on H1-B Visas, basic
IANAL, but I think what you're seeing in this case is a result of the
US Government crackdown on H1-B Visas, basically, after 9-11 they
severely curtailed the number of H1-B Visas to foreign nationals every
year, they also changed the rules about how to obtain them as well. My
industry (electric ut
Yeah. The posts Asim mentioned seem like they could be a little more
grey though. It appears that it might be okay to say "this job we're
hiring for is only for U.S. citizens", but they couldn't do that with
every job posting as just a matter of course. But what I posted was
just the easy to read p
well, citizenship could be a legitimate requirement in certain jobs,
for instance where a clearance is required and the clearance requires
citizenship. But you can't just say that analysts to janitors all have
to be US citizens.
As far as the I-9 goes, yeah, if you read the instructions you need
e
so it sounds to me like brob was in fact discriminated against,
because they told him they were not hiring any foreigners because of
9/11. Always assuming that the way he was telling it was correct. You
can't just say US citizenship required unless there is a reason for
it. On the other hand, if th
You're right. The I-9 serves as the immigration status document. It's
been a while since I filled one out.
And it looks like I was wrong, as I posted in my second reply, that
the rules don't prohibit discriminating against non-citizens. But even
reading the rules, it could be a little grey in term
> -Original Message-
> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 7:07 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: _Isn't_it_Discrimination?
>
> If they are getting that many responses, sure. But to answer the man's
> question, yes, sometimes it *is* discrimination. I
Well, just out of curiosity I looked up something about this. Here's a
link to a handbook for employers:
http://uscis.gov/graphics/lawsregs/handbook/hand_emp.pdf
>From that:
"Employers with 4 or more employees are prohibited from discrimination
against any person (other than an unauthorized alien
How long have you had your job? They have had that form for oooh maybe
ten years now.
This is not a foreigner only thing, it's the requirement that you have
(usually) a driver's license and social-security card before they can
put you on the payroll. Applies to everyone, but the object is to make
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:42:24 -0700, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ya, but foreign citizenship does not alway mean "needs sponsorship,"
> Jim. The additional requirements to hire me (or any other resident
> alien) are zero. The only difference is that on the Immigration
> paperwork I show a gree
ok, you're right, there is a degree of job-relatedness to wanting
someone who does not need sponsorship vs someone who does. Likewise
the degree.
I think the problem here is that we still have different scenarios in
mind while we are having this discussion. You are thinking local
candidate vs the
Good point. And I have been told that at least some clearances do not
require citizenship necessarily; you just could not be h Iraqi
let's say. But that was a while ago and things may have changed post
9/11. I have not explored the issue as I don't want to work in a
weapons lab anyway.
But sin
If they are getting that many responses, sure. But to answer the man's
question, yes, sometimes it *is* discrimination. I mean, by your
logic, Jim, they could just as easily put "white candidates only."
But I understand your point. I once landed a job because I speak
French. I asked why it require
> -Original Message-
> From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 5:23 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: _Isn't_it_Discrimination?
>
> No they don't. If the job requires security clearance level X, they should
> ask for security clearance level X
Dana wrote:
> Just a followup. If you remember brobrob (or whatever his nick was),
> he was complaining about people refusing to hire him "because of
> 9/11." And he was a resident alien. When you are talking about a job
> driving a truck, as he was, that is plain wrong. On the other hand, if
> we
www.illuminations.com ?
-Gel
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From: Ray Champagne
I doubt this is what you're looking for, but I have posted this site before...
http://www.moonrise-candles.com
Maybe???
Ray
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5 is about what I was suggesting. Personally, I like it.
Dana
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:08:46 -0500, Tony Weeg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> diggin the green, with the look that has less of a button effect, and
> just more of a gradient (seems a bit lighter than the other as well as
> less buttony)
Actually perhaps the gradient could be a bit more concentrated in the
upper left. But we are entering the realm of toMAYto toMAHto.
Dana
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:17:10 -0700, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 5 is about what I was suggesting. Personally, I like it.
>
>
>
> Dana
>
> On Sun, 12
diggin the green, with the look that has less of a button effect, and
just more of a gradient (seems a bit lighter than the other as well as
less buttony)
:) tw
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 22:40:01 -0700, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think I agree about the green.
>
> The plum shade is better no
No, not the same one. I wish I could remember but can't
Thanks for trying though.
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Ya, but foreign citizenship does not alway mean "needs sponsorship,"
Jim. The additional requirements to hire me (or any other resident
alien) are zero. The only difference is that on the Immigration
paperwork I show a green card as opposed to anything else.
So the only legitimate reason to make t
I think that is the one I was talking about :) now is it the one he is
looking for is the question :)
Dana
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 04:06:02 -0500, Ray Champagne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I doubt this is what you're looking for, but I have posted this site before...
>
> http://www.moonrise-candle
Just a followup. If you remember brobrob (or whatever his nick was),
he was complaining about people refusing to hire him "because of
9/11." And he was a resident alien. When you are talking about a job
driving a truck, as he was, that is plain wrong. On the other hand, if
we were talking about an
ya there is.
> I was going to mention this as well - there do seem to difference here when
> you talk about "resident aliens" vrs just plain "aliens". ;^)
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wow, very interesting. Thank you, Jochem.
Dana
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:40:12 -0400, Jochem van Dieten
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Raymond Camden wrote:
> > Anyone see an issue where text in IE will not show up until you
> > highlight it?
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=peekaboo+IE+CSS
>
> J
> -Original Message-
> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 2:42 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: _Isn't_it_Discrimination?
>
> Ya, but foreign citizenship does not alway mean "needs sponsorship,"
> Jim. The additional requirements to hire me (or any o
I'm not sure what's up - but I believe as of IE 4 it (internally) converts
FONT tags to CSS before applying display rules.
Even then it should still apply the change however - so I would think it
falls squarely in the "bug" category.
Jim Davis
> -Original Message-
> From: Raymond Camden
If the job requires a security clearance US citizenship is a
legitimate job requirement, usually. Some people tack it on just
cause, but how would you ever be able to determine if it is
legitimate? So my answer -- I am a Canadian citizen living in the US,
by the way -- is that sometimes it is, yes.
ok! but apparently not. And I wasn't misunderstanding you, just making
my own comment/suggestion.
Dana
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:24:36 -0500, Ray Champagne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No no no - what I meant is can he provide a link so that we can see this
> page in action...
>
> LOL
>
> Ray
>
what's the css you have for text? You can probably post that here? Not
that I am any kind of css goddess, but it might help someone else spot
the problem while I go get breakfast :)
Dana
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:25:01 -0600, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nope, it's not a link, and unf
It depends on what you mean.
It may be semantic discrimination (because, yes, technically one group is
being given more privileges than others) but it is definitely not legal
discrimination.
To hire a non-citizen (in either the US or Canada) is more difficult than
hiring a citizen. In both cases
I am using houseoffusion from almost most than a year now.
I am reading the posts on daily basis and always tracking the job forums as
well.
Isnt it Discrimination that every time when ever good job posted there they
always asks for U.S. citizenship is required.
I mean people who live in CA
Raymond Camden wrote:
> Anyone see an issue where text in IE will not show up until you
> highlight it?
http://www.google.com/search?q=peekaboo+IE+CSS
Jochem
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I would think its because these lists are global, Im a UK citizen with
plans to move to the US at some point, so I am looking at these lists
for sponsorship/job oportunaty.
I know when we posted a job on these lists even though we specified it
was a UK company there were a lot a applications from
Nope, it's not a link, and unfortunately, it's not a public site. :( I
wouldn't mind if it was just a simple IE CSS bug, but I can't even
force it to use black text. I thought that the tag, when
immidiately around text, ALWAYS took priority.
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:21:51 -0700, Dana <[EMAIL PROTE
No no no - what I meant is can he provide a link so that we can see this
page in action...
LOL
Ray
At 11:21 AM 12/12/2004, you wrote:
>No, I am talking about alink and vlink, wondering if the text where
>you see this behavior is a link.
>
>Dana
>
>
>On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:15:29 -0500, Ray Champ
No, I am talking about alink and vlink, wondering if the text where
you see this behavior is a link.
Dana
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:15:29 -0500, Ray Champagne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Link to the page???
>
> Ray
>
>
>
>
> At 11:00 AM 12/12/2004, you wrote:
> >Anyone see an issue where text
Link to the page???
Ray
At 11:00 AM 12/12/2004, you wrote:
>Anyone see an issue where text in IE will not show up until you
>highlight it? By itself, it just sounds like the wrong color has been
>applied. But get this. After you -deselect- the text, it still shows
>up.
>
>Also, it works just fin
it's not a link is it? that sounds like active and visited. Other than
that, I dunno. If it were just the same color as the background, it
wouldn't work ok in Firefox. What browser are you having the problem
in, IE?
Dana
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:00:27 -0600, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot
Anyone see an issue where text in IE will not show up until you
highlight it? By itself, it just sounds like the wrong color has been
applied. But get this. After you -deselect- the text, it still shows
up.
Also, it works just fine in Firefox.
To make it worse, I even tried just overriding stuff
I doubt this is what you're looking for, but I have posted this site before...
http://www.moonrise-candles.com
Maybe???
Ray
At 08:03 PM 12/11/2004, you wrote:
>Dont think that is the one. Man, I had an email from this guy also.
>Can't remember for the life of me what the site was.
>
>
>Wayne P
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