Re: interesting

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
the reason for this is that the people who "specialize" in cancelling accounts are paid a bonus for every account that calls then does not cancel. Per day. I know this for a fact as that office is here in Albuquerque. On 8/2/06, Casey Dougall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > AOL has been doing it to

Re: Blogger or Journalist

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
right. Note that there *is* a shielf law in California. That is the reason for the federal grand jury. They are trying to circumvent California law. I am an agnostic as to whether there should be shield laws, but I think that California is entitled to have one if it wants to and that if there is on

Re: Blogger or Journalist

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
uh, no. Read that one again. On 8/2/06, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It is a federal law regarding the police cars and other law enforcement. > Not just because of the funding. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 02,

Re: Blogger or Journalist

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
Didn't happen to see that when I was googling this but it changes nothing. If people start surrendering their notes/outtakes/whatever whenever the prosecution wants to go on a fishing expedition, then pretty soon nobody will talk off the record, and off the record sources are required for a free pr

Re: Active Directory question

2006-08-02 Thread Chesty Puller
That person might have been thinking of SUS (Software Update Services, for managing updates) or SMS (Systems Management Server, for managing applications). You can also deploy applications through Group Policy using AD, as you've already said. RIS is a technology that is used to install softwa

Re: Blogger or Journalist

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
If as a proactice you take your camera and go to the tornado, as opposed to happening to be there with one, imho yes. Look at it this way -- how would you declare this on your taxes? On 8/2/06, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Based on this and other articles a police car, several store

RE: Blogger or Journalist

2006-08-02 Thread Nick McClure
IIRC whiteness claimed that a mattress was placed under the car and set on fire. It didn't take, but the intent was there. > -Original Message- > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 6:34 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Blogger or Journalist > > her

RE: Blogger or Journalist

2006-08-02 Thread Nick McClure
It is a federal law regarding the police cars and other law enforcement. Not just because of the funding. > -Original Message- > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 6:23 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Blogger or Journalist > > Further thoughts on

RE: Blogger or Journalist

2006-08-02 Thread Nick McClure
In this case it is actually a Federal charge, not even state. > -Original Message- > From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 6:18 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Blogger or Journalist > > What a police car was vandalized and your thinking it was a mi

RE: Blogger or Journalist

2006-08-02 Thread Nick McClure
Based on this and other articles a police car, several store fronts, and other things were damaged. Nothing major, no looting, but damage, and the damage was done by a small group, not the largest part. So if I happen to grab some footage of a tornado and sell it to the news that makes me a journa

Re: Why Landis Might Be Innocent

2006-08-02 Thread Rick Root
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RE: Ear Bud Recommendations

2006-08-02 Thread Sandra Clark
Dunno, But from the pictures, they look too big for my ears anyways. Thanks for the suggestions though Sandra Clark == http://www.shayna.com Training in Cascading Style Sheets and Accessibility CSS HANDS ON New York City, October 10-13, 2006. http://www.shayna.com

Re: Ear Bud Recommendations

2006-08-02 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
I wonder how well these work? http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product_Id=4003091 On 8/2/06, Sandra Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm looking for some ear bud recommendations for my ipod. I'm having a hard > time with my current ones (the ones from Apple). I mainly use the ipod at

Re: tab form

2006-08-02 Thread Scott Stroz
I found this last night, and it works great. http://www.barelyfitz.com/projects/tabber/ On 8/2/06, Paul Ihrig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > whats the best way to build a tabbed form for cf server 6.1 > i can do it in 2 secs on 7 > > but have been playing with a ton of css & js to manipulate divs

RE: Blogger or Journalist

2006-08-02 Thread Jacob
$400 here in California. Used to be $50,000. Prop 21 changed that about 5 years ago. -Original Message- From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 3:18 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Blogger or Journalist What a police car was vandalized and your thinking

Re: interesting

2006-08-02 Thread Casey Dougall
AOL has been doing it to themselves for years. Their customer service ethics have been the root of this problem way before TimeWarner got in the game. Then when TW took over they were stupid for not allowing their customers access to AOL services for free or close to nothing. Like why would people

Re: interesting

2006-08-02 Thread Cameron Childress
I think that the root of the problem is that their biz model was developed by marketing people, not by technology people. Least that's my impressio as an observer. All short term thinking, and a total lack of understanding of what the overall tech marketplace is doing. -Cameron On 8/2/06, Nick

Re: Ear Bud Recommendations

2006-08-02 Thread Ray Champagne
+1 on Charlie's recommendation. I can't say enough about them. They pretty much block out everything, as long as you get the right size rubber dongle thingy for your ear. (it comes with three). Ray Charlie Griefer wrote: > I've got these: > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B95SB6/sr=8-1/

Re: Blogger or Journalist

2006-08-02 Thread Robert Munn
Wolf's camp needs to lay off the weed, it's making them all paranoid. On 8/2/06, Dana wrote: > And Wolf's camp says his case is > part of the federal government's national pattern of using grand juries to > co-opt journalists as a de facto arm of the law and to chill > political > dissent.

Re: 10 flagrant grammar mistakes that make you look stupid

2006-08-02 Thread Cameron Childress
I have never heard such truthiness. -Cameron On 8/2/06, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ugh. Fundamental mistakes. I especially hate made-up words, except as > intentional verbal hooks. See the dialogue of old Buffy the Vampire Slayer > episodes for good examples. > > I may have related

Re: residential tag recommendation

2006-08-02 Thread Cameron Childress
Yeah - that is a tag? Is this some new MySpace term? -Cameron On 8/2/06, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > tag? > > On 8/2/06, Steve Kahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anyone have a suggestion for a ready made community oriented and/or > > residential tag recommendation? (free or buy is ok). >

Re: 10 flagrant grammar mistakes that make you look stupid

2006-08-02 Thread Robert Munn
Ugh. Fundamental mistakes. I especially hate made-up words, except as intentional verbal hooks. See the dialogue of old Buffy the Vampire Slayer episodes for good examples. I may have related this story already, but I had a college professor who used to tag papers by freshmen with comments like, "

Re: interesting

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
yeah now that I look closer Vonage probably does it better. For not enough more to make dealing with AOL worthwhile. On 8/2/06, Casey Dougall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You know, they could have just gave aol away to roadrunner customers and > solved half this problem. Why pay for RR and AOL

Re: Blogger or Journalist

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
here's the rationale: Wolf and his supporters contend the attempted car arson is a pretense, an end-run around California's strong shield law so the FBI can gather evidence for a San Francisco Police investigation. And Wolf's camp says his case is part of the federal government's national pattern

Re: There’s a media war against Israel

2006-08-02 Thread Robert Munn
good article. nice to see the Hezbollah media operation exposed. On 8/2/06, Sam wrote: > > Media Missiles > Working for the enemy. > > By Tom Gross > > http://tinyurl.com/zmej4 > > -- --- Robert Munn www.funkymojo.com ~

Re: Blogger or Journalist

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
we aren't looking at the value of a police car, it's attempted arson at best: "and an apparent fire or smoke bomb was set under or near a police car. Advocates for Wolf dispute that the car sustained damage as a result of the protest. Prosecutors have proposed in court documents that the federal

Re: Blogger or Journalist

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
Further thoughts on this -- the grand jury appears to have the legal right to jail him, though I find the contention that this is a federal case not a California one -- because of federal grants to the San Francisco police -- to be rather far-fetched. However, is this a good use of grand jury power

There’s a media war against Israel

2006-08-02 Thread Sam
Media Missiles Working for the enemy. By Tom Gross http://tinyurl.com/zmej4 ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door

RE: Blogger or Journalist

2006-08-02 Thread Loathe
What a police car was vandalized and your thinking it was a misdemeanor? How do you figure? Anything over $500 is a felony in most states. That's not even to mention the sedition charges that could be brought about from such actions. > -Original Message- > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTE

Re: Active Directory question

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
ha! http://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorials/Group-Policy-Deploy-Applications.html the person I was talking to over here said something similar though, Softtware Installation service, that also seems to exist but as a search term it leaves soemthing to be desired... On 8/2/06, Dana <

Re: Active Directory question

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
something through group policies -- trying google on group policy and OU now On 8/2/06, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > isn't it Remote Installation Services or something? > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;325862 > > -- > will > > "If my life weren't funny,

Re: Blogger or Journalist

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
hmm it isn't that simple. I have only read the one story that Nick posted, but the footage is of a demonstration, not simple vandalism. Apparently a police car was damaged in the course of the demonstration and they want to know if unaired portions of the tape point to who and how. I'd have to see

Re: Why Landis Might Be Innocent

2006-08-02 Thread Robert Munn
To me the entire question now is how synthetic testosterone got into his urine sample. He needs to explain that or he is done for. On 8/2/06, Gruss wrote: > > THE NUMBERS GUY > By CARL BIALIK > Floyd Landis's Alcohol Defense > August 2, 2006 > > One evening nearly two decades ago, four Swedish me

Re: Active Directory question

2006-08-02 Thread William Bowen
isn't it Remote Installation Services or something? http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;325862 -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." - Carrie Fisher ~~~

Re: ANWR Drilling: Evil or Good Clean Fun?

2006-08-02 Thread Robert Munn
That's a 50 year project. Necessary, but will have zero impact on the average consumer for the next decade. In the short run, it is consumers themselves who can have the greatest impact on their own pocketbooks. Driving less, carpooling, buying more efficient cars already available- these are all t

Re: ANWR Drilling: Evil or Good Clean Fun?

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
sounds about right On 8/2/06, Rick Root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > IMO, drilling in Alaska is great for the companies doing the drilling, > and would probably have very little effect on the average consumer. > > What we need to do is decrease our reliance on oil. That absolutely > needs to be

Re: Active Directory question

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
::crosses eyes:: something the domain administrator can do. I'll dig out the book, hehe. Dana On 8/2/06, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Windows Update. > > :-P > > > > On 8/2/06, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > could somebody please remind me about what it is called when you pu

Re: Hezbollah Fires Record Number Of Rockets

2006-08-02 Thread Robert Munn
You are partly right on both counts. Conventional warfare doesn't work all that well- unless you are willing to kill lots and lots of innocent people in the process of killing the bad guys. If we just wanted to totally remove Hezbollah, we could carpet bomb Lebanon and achieve that result, but no o

Re: ANWR Drilling: Evil or Good Clean Fun?

2006-08-02 Thread Rick Root
IMO, drilling in Alaska is great for the companies doing the drilling, and would probably have very little effect on the average consumer. What we need to do is decrease our reliance on oil. That absolutely needs to be the country's number one focus. Rick ~

Re: Blogger or Journalist

2006-08-02 Thread Robert Munn
Keep in mind that Judy Miller spent several months in jail over the Plame leak case. Personally, I don't think journalists should have blanket protection where criminals acts are involved. This blogger's claim is a perfect example. What right of free speech protects him no turning over video eviden

Hezbollah Fires Record Number Of Rockets

2006-08-02 Thread Gruss Gott
Beirut - Hezbollah fired more rockets into Israel on Wednesday than on any previous day of the 22-day-old war, after helicopter-borne commandos attacked Hezbollah targets in Israel's deepest raid into Lebanon. Air strikes in support of the helicopter raid in the Hezbollah stronghold of Baalbek in

Blogger or Journalist

2006-08-02 Thread Nick McClure
OK, so here is a question, at what point does a person with a blog become a journalist? A blogger was sent to prison today for failing to turn over a video that prosecutors claim has footage of a group of people vandalizing a police car. He is claiming that he is a journalist and has the right to

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Sam
I'm on it. On 8/2/06, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Sam wrote: > > There's no wonder you have no respect for people in the know. > > > > > > Speaking of television shows ... > > You need a show. But there's plenty of passionate pundits out there - > you need something more like The Daily Show. Basical

Re: tab form

2006-08-02 Thread Paul Ihrig
nm. just back from 3 hour long meeting took me 20 minutes to do it in dreamweaver. man i love that program... wish we used 7.0 would love to use flex... just cant risk this app dev time on learnning new products when we only have till 10/1 to get the first phase done. man... i love deadlines! ~~

Why Landis Might Be Innocent

2006-08-02 Thread Gruss Gott
THE NUMBERS GUY By CARL BIALIK Floyd Landis's Alcohol Defense August 2, 2006 One evening nearly two decades ago, four Swedish men in their mid-thirties gathered to quaff about 10 alcoholic drinks over six hours. Two weeks ago, American cyclist Floyd Landis says he drank two beers and "at least" fo

Re: Active Directory question

2006-08-02 Thread William Bowen
Windows Update. :-P On 8/2/06, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > could somebody please remind me about what it is called when you push a > software change? I know what I mean but can't generate a search term. > > thanks > Dana > > -- > "People seem not to see that their opinion of the world is

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > There's no wonder you have no respect for people in the know. > > Speaking of television shows ... You need a show. But there's plenty of passionate pundits out there - you need something more like The Daily Show. Basically you need to find a straight man who could ask you a stan

RE: Farcry cms question

2006-08-02 Thread loathe
FarCry is the move. It's an excellent CMS, and the one that I would have recommended if I could have remembered it's damned name. Events I have done, but calendar I have not, however the app has an excellent user and developer community so I am sure someone has integrated those things into a copy

Re: AP misquote

2006-08-02 Thread Gruss Gott
> gMoney wrote: > They did use the line "People will come"but never was the line "If you > build it, THEY will come" ever used...because it wouldn't make sense. > Huh. I always thought it was "they will come", but then I've never seen the movie. Mostly because I don't care about dead corn-ba

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Sam
The three questions asked respondents 1. Which party has a majority in the U.S. House of Representatives? 2. The name of the current U.S. Secretary of State 3. The name of the current president of Russia It wasn't an IQ test; they are simple questions that everyone should know the answer to. Your

Farcry cms question

2006-08-02 Thread Steve Kahn
Has anyone worked with Farcry_cms that had a calendar or events feature? ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > Judged by their answers to three news knowledge questions2, the most > informed audiences belong to the political magazines, Rush Limbaugh's > radio show, the O'Reilly Factor, Dude. "Knowledge" of an event is greatly different than an informed understanding of it. I can tell a 5 y

Re: ANWR Drilling: Evil or Good Clean Fun?

2006-08-02 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > so you're saying there is more than enough wildlife in Minneapolis > therefore we don't need to worry about the wildlife in Alaska? > Well that, and, if that's what's running around a major international airport I can't believe a few drilling platforms will bother the 'bou too muc

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Sam
http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=1068 Judged by their answers to three news knowledge questions2, the most informed audiences belong to the political magazines, Rush Limbaugh's radio show, the O'Reilly Factor, news magazines, and online news sources. Close behind are the regular

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > That's because facts go against your views. > Some do, some don't. That's why I choose media sources that give me all of the facts rather than just a select few such as Limbaugh does. He's a waste of food. And illegal drugs. ~~~

Re: ANWR Drilling: Evil or Good Clean Fun?

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
so you're saying there is more than enough wildlife in Minneapolis therefore we don't need to worry about the wildlife in Alaska? On 8/2/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Dana wrote: > > > > > > well ya, my take is that we don't know what harm it will do but the > > > benefit to me

ANWR Drilling: Evil or Good Clean Fun?

2006-08-02 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > > > > well ya, my take is that we don't know what harm it will do but the > > benefit to me the consumer don't seem worth the risk. Kinda like the > > petroglyphs here locally. If you believe the Indians, it's a desecration. > > And here is the key point -- it won't fix the problem

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
is it? On 8/2/06, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's well know that Rather and team hates Bush and wanted him to lose, > that's why they had so much faith in the forgeries. They desperately > wanted them to be true. > > On 8/2/06, Dana wrote: > > bloggers can be a great fact-check resource.

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Sam
It's well know that Rather and team hates Bush and wanted him to lose, that's why they had so much faith in the forgeries. They desperately wanted them to be true. On 8/2/06, Dana wrote: > bloggers can be a great fact-check resource. In the 60 Minutes thing they > were in fact right about the doc

Re: interesting

2006-08-02 Thread Casey Dougall
You know, they could have just gave aol away to roadrunner customers and solved half this problem. Why pay for RR and AOL that was just stupid. Now giving away free inbound phone service, shit I have skype and vonage for less than 20 bucks a month. Free cell phones on the other hand would be cool.

another question ospf this time

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
can any one explain to me why #3 is the correct answer? If not I am looking, hopefully I'll find it before it doesn't matter any more... thanks Dana ** Router XYZ is to be added to OSPF area 0. Which of the following is the correct syntax for enabling OSPF on this router? XYZ(config)# *rout

Portal recommendation

2006-08-02 Thread Steve Kahn
Portal recommendations, preferably with a calendar or events feature would be great Thanks ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered

Active Directory question

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
could somebody please remind me about what it is called when you push a software change? I know what I mean but can't generate a search term. thanks Dana -- "People seem not to see that their opinion of the world is also a confession of their character." - Ralph Waldo Emerson ~

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Sam
We'll get over it when they stop the bias. On 8/2/06, G Money wrote: > Actually, I'm pretty tired of the constant bitching by the right about the > "liberal media"get over it already. > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Qua

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
;) that's actually been on my email for several months at least. I just have been posting from the archives. I find it to be quite true though. Dana Somebody cue up Dana's Emerson quote ... ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
I don't know, is he? I don't know anything about Brit Humes but I read Charles Krauthammer sometimes and think he needs to get laid or something. As for the 60 minutes story, I think bloggers broke the story yes, but they may also have obscured it. We still don't know who forged the things. Dana

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Sam
That's because facts go against your views. On 8/2/06, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Sam wrote: > > Talk radio > > > > I can't think of a single reputable talk radio news program. Most, if > not all, are just modern day Snake Oil salesman. Of course the best > Snake Oil man out there is Limbaugh.

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > I don't watch Charlie Rose but isn't he considered to be pretty liberal? > Like Robert, I prefer Brit Humes and the all-star panel with Charles > Krauthammer being the wisest. Somebody cue up Dana's Emerson quote ...

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Sam
I don't watch Charlie Rose but isn't he considered to be pretty liberal? Like Robert, I prefer Brit Humes and the all-star panel with Charles Krauthammer being the wisest. Talk radio brings up the other side of the story, they constantly point out the liberal bias in the MSM that would otherwise go

Re: AP misquote

2006-08-02 Thread G Money
Don't think so. The line "If you build it, HE will come", is in reference to his father, which we find out at the endso saying "they" would make no sense. They did use the line "People will come"but never was the line "If you build it, THEY will come" ever used...because it wouldn't make s

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
> > well ya, my take is that we don't know what harm it will do but the > benefit to me the consumer don't seem worth the risk. Kinda like the > petroglyphs here locally. If you believe the Indians, it's a desecration. > And here is the key point -- it won't fix the problem. So why desecrate > anyw

RE: AP misquote

2006-08-02 Thread Nick McClure
I thought both lines were used. > -Original Message- > From: G Money [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:14 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: AP misquote > > OK, now i can put up with all the liberal bias and everything else in the > media.but when they mis-q

RE: residential tag recommendation

2006-08-02 Thread Steve Kahn
Tony, Yes that might be on target, though the project's scope is a little more from the Board Of managers POV. Do you have anything (free or purchase)? Thanks Steve -Original Message- From: Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:19 AM To: CF-Community Subject

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > I betcha you're in favor of drilling in > ANWR hmm? > I've yet to see any good arguments for or against. If it's for more oil, it seems to be not enough to make much of a difference so why pull that trigger now? If the against is because it'll scare the caribou ... well that's ju

Re: interesting

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
oh I agree very much, their business model was always that both customers and employees were infinitely replaceable. However, free phone service? I am interested in hearing about that. I am sure that they can find a way to hork that up too but when your competition s Qwest you don't have to be real

AP misquote

2006-08-02 Thread G Money
OK, now i can put up with all the liberal bias and everything else in the media.but when they mis-quote one of the great lines from one of the great movies.that's where I draw the line. "If you build it, HE will come" http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/08/02/people.kevincostner.ap/ind

RE: interesting

2006-08-02 Thread Nick McClure
Well when your model was a provider to people that didn't have internet, then free email is down on the list. But they still suck. > -Original Message- > From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:04 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: interesting >

Re: interesting

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
oh yeah. I could see back in the early nineties that they eventually would run out of newbies, but hey they weren't listening to me, I was just a phone dweeb ;) and their whole focus at the time was reducing tech support call time to deal with all the new subscribers. I was wondering specifically a

Re: interesting

2006-08-02 Thread G Money
AOL is such an awful service, that they could offer EVERYTHING for free, and I still couldn't bring myself to care. On 8/2/06, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am not so much surprised that AOL has been losing popularity as in the > reference to free local phone service down near the end. Any

RE: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Nick McClure
The Newshour comes on at 6:00 around here. I like it, and probably should record it, but at 6 the last thing I do is watch TV > -Original Message- > From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 1:55 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: a fable for our time

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
bloggers can be a great fact-check resource. In the 60 Minutes thing they were in fact right about the documents, even though I am still not sure what happened exactly. As to why professional reporters sometimes don't do as well, I still see the issue as corporate ownership and the pressure to get

Re: interesting

2006-08-02 Thread Robert Munn
Funny that they are only about 6-7 years late on the free email front. What a slow-moving beast that company must be. On 8/2/06, Dana wrote: > > I am not so much surprised that AOL has been losing popularity as in the > reference to free local phone service down near the end. Anyone know > anythin

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
I don't watch it because I don't watch television. Your other sources are great if a bit business-oriented. I betcha you're in favor of drilling in ANWR hmm? it looks to me like we are dealing with a lot of different definitions of "objective" -- unless they are all "agrees with my preconceptions

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread G Money
I read all of the large news sites online: CNN, ABCNews, NY Times, etc. Then i'll check out compiled sources like Google news. Finally, i'll read my local paper and maybe the local news at 6 on TV. Some have more bias than others, but overall, I think an intelligent person can get the news from a

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Actually, it doesn't cost anything to look over the documentation of an event to see what's really happening there. Photos have time stamps, stories are submitted with them as well. The bloggers are having a field day with the war and what's being reported there. Things like: "why is the same bo

interesting

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
I am not so much surprised that AOL has been losing popularity as in the reference to free local phone service down near the end. Anyone know anything about that? Among the now-free services are AOL's integrated software; communications features, including AOL e-mail, instant messaging, a local ph

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > Talk radio > I can't think of a single reputable talk radio news program. Most, if not all, are just modern day Snake Oil salesman. Of course the best Snake Oil man out there is Limbaugh. ~| Introducing the Fusi

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
how many people don't subscribe to communities like this though? On 8/2/06, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think most start with news feeds like Yahoo or Google and then get > the in depth version from sources that they agree with. Then it's > communities like this where they get the other s

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Gruss Gott
> Nick wrote: > In depth investigative reporting costs money, and I'd bet many are worried > about lawsuits and other negative backlashes, look at the documents Dan > Rather reported on. > Does nobody watch The Newshour? The perfect fact-based news program is already here and The Newshour is it.

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
and you consider this more accurate than Charlie Rose say? I almost asked about 60 Minutes but I think I know the answer to that. On 8/2/06, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Talk radio > > On 8/2/06, Dana wrote: > > AM radio? > > > >

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Sam
I think most start with news feeds like Yahoo or Google and then get the in depth version from sources that they agree with. Then it's communities like this where they get the other side of the story. On 8/2/06, Dana wrote: > yeah you are probably right. The audience for in-depth reporting is prob

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Sam
Talk radio On 8/2/06, Dana wrote: > AM radio? > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://ww

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
true. I was thinking more of the people who are of a particular political persuasion and get their news from blogs and news sites of that political persuasion. I suspect that there are more of them out there than there are people who are getting their ideas from places like this, where yes, we have

Re: tab form

2006-08-02 Thread Jerry Barnes
Have you looked at jComponents. http://clearsoftware.net/jComponents1_0/ There are demos there that you can examine. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion informati

RE: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread loathe
I would say that I personally get a wider group of opinions and such since the advent of the internet than ever before. I mean think about it. Every mailing list and forums I belong to has something like cf-community, or a politics section or whatever. No matter what kind of site it is (unless i

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
AM radio? On 8/2/06, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If in-depth reporting from MSM were accurate it would get ratings. > That's why people are using the Internet and AM radio to get their > info. > > On 8/1/06, Dana wrote: > > but see... in a commercially driven environment, if in-depth repor

Re: Tutorial site

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
thanks! On 8/2/06, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > While trying to figure out how to do a special stroke in Fireworks, I > came across this site which seems pretty cool:' > > http://www.tutorialized.com/ > > It's got listings of a bunch of tutorials, usually on other sites, for >

Re: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Dana
yeah you are probably right. The audience for in-depth reporting is probably already using the internet. The danger there though is that the points of view become even more fractured as people are reading, again, what they agree with. Dana On 8/2/06, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >

Re: Computer for daughters

2006-08-02 Thread Greg Morphis
I saw this on slick deals this morning.. only 300 bucks but very basic pc.. http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?threadid=298509 Peace On 8/2/06, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd be leary about the OS 8.5. > > (Although I am still running it on my single purpose "Diablo 2" iM

RE: a fable for our times

2006-08-02 Thread Nick McClure
I think it is valued, however I think a couple of things have made that type of reporting less attractive for one, while the ratings and demand may be high, the news outlets are OK getting less ratings but doing less work. In depth investigative reporting costs money, and I'd bet many are worried

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