Re: The Price Of War In A Picture

2006-09-22 Thread Gruss Gott
> Maureen wrote: > Heartbreaking. Absolutely heartbreaking. The caption doesn't make > much sense though. Why would it matter if the number of soldiers > equaled the number of 9/11 victims? Well, I think the point is terrorists killed X number of Americans and now our response has killed X numb

Re: The Price Of War In A Picture

2006-09-22 Thread Maureen
Heartbreaking. Absolutely heartbreaking. The caption doesn't make much sense though. Why would it matter if the number of soldiers equaled the number of 9/11 victims? I fail to see any way that should matter, unless it's just to show that the enemy has doubled their death toll. On 9/22/06, Gru

The Price Of War In A Picture

2006-09-22 Thread Gruss Gott
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Re: Bush, Olmert Haunted By Their Military Incompetence

2006-09-22 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > What a victory- the Hezbollah stronghold of southern Beirut in rubble, the > south of the country occupied by UN and Lebanese troops, supplies from his > Iranian patrons strangled by the Israeli military, and absolutely nothing to > show for it. > That's pretty myopic. To arabs,

Re: Bush, Olmert Haunted By Their Military Incompetence

2006-09-22 Thread Robert Munn
What a victory- the Hezbollah stronghold of southern Beirut in rubble, the south of the country occupied by UN and Lebanese troops, supplies from his Iranian patrons strangled by the Israeli military, and absolutely nothing to show for it. On 9/22/06, Gruss wrote: > > Bush has Bin Laden and Olmert

RE: SCUBA Fans: The Ultimate Hotel

2006-09-22 Thread Jacob
My next vacation! Thanks! -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 4:46 PM To: CF-Community Subject: SCUBA Fans: The Ultimate Hotel For the first time in history an authentic underwater research habitat is open to the average person-

SCUBA Fans: The Ultimate Hotel

2006-09-22 Thread Gruss Gott
For the first time in history an authentic underwater research habitat is open to the average person--sport divers and even those who have never before dived. And although Jules' still functions as a research lab, you will be pleased to know that it has air-conditioning, hot showers, stereo music,

Re: Liberal Elitist

2006-09-22 Thread Maureen
When I get to be president, I'm putting Sam in charge of the Department of Hyperbole and Melodrama I don't think I've heard so many red herrings in one paragraph since the last time I listened to Austin Lounge Lizard sing Teenage Immigrant Welfare Mothers on Drugs. .. On 9/22/06, Sam <[EMAIL PRO

Re: moo

2006-09-22 Thread Paul Ihrig
in my best Homer voice. "Hmmm. mm. 'to liquefy your bones!...?' On 9/22/06, ben.doom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm sorry. Was that not the correct response to weapons that create > temperatures hot enough to liquefy your bones? > > Please advise. > > --Ben > > loathe wrote: > > E.

Re: moo

2006-09-22 Thread ben.doom
I'm sorry. Was that not the correct response to weapons that create temperatures hot enough to liquefy your bones? Please advise. --Ben loathe wrote: > E. > > Dude? > >> -Original Message- >> From: ben.doom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 9:56 PM >

Bush, Olmert Haunted By Their Military Incompetence

2006-09-22 Thread Gruss Gott
Bush has Bin Laden and Olmert has Nasrallah: When Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah appeared in public after two months in hiding, it was to the rapturous chants of several hundred thousand of the party faithful. The leader of Hezbollah had ignored repeated threats against his life

Re: Gas at $2

2006-09-22 Thread Gruss Gott
> gMoney wrote: > Paid $2.01 last night. Thought it wasn't sposed to hit 2 till Thanksgiving? > These lower gas prices are greatI'm voting Republican > Burning gas RULES! Burn it, BURN IT!! BURN! //grabs keys, heads for garage ~~~

Re: Democrats just can't catch a break

2006-09-22 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > Good advice but I can't do it. I've been dirt poor before and won't > mind being that way again. But while the money's coming in I like to > enjoy. Not to say I'm not trying, the whole American dream thing makes > it hard. > With that piece of the puzzle I'd offer that you're fiscal

Re: Liberal Elitist

2006-09-22 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > My real curiosity is I don't really understand the labels. I'm all > over the spectrum normally and find it hard to find a label that > applies most of the time. I guess I can use Bush supporter and > Dittohead :) > If I may, I would offer that you're a social conservative which is

Re: Democrats just can't catch a break

2006-09-22 Thread Sam
Good advice but I can't do it. I've been dirt poor before and won't mind being that way again. But while the money's coming in I like to enjoy. Not to say I'm not trying, the whole American dream thing makes it hard. On 9/22/06, Gruss Gott wrote: > Here's a couple of good rules of thumb we use for

Re: Democrats just can't catch a break

2006-09-22 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > I have a plan. Stop sending out the notices telling people how much to > expect when they retire. I always assumed I was on my own until I > started getting these notices. I'm almost up to $3k a month when I > figured it would be a couple hundred.. Makes me think I don't have to > sa

Re: Gas at $2

2006-09-22 Thread Larry Lyons
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Re: Gas at $2

2006-09-22 Thread Paul Ihrig
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Re: Liberal Elitist

2006-09-22 Thread Sam
Not really, if we're using liberal as a classification it has to have some commonality. I'm just guessing, or trying to understand what it is. On 9/22/06, Gruss Gott wrote: For example - with the nambla issue, that should be banned as that information serves no useful legal purpose. That being s

Re: Clinton's spot-on criticism of Bush

2006-09-22 Thread Sam
Well what do you think Clintons comment was? If we're dishing it out... Republican Congress who dinged him for taking action What action? A few bombs here and there? On 9/22/06, Gruss Gott wrote: > > That's a rhetorical/partisan argument from my perspective. Pres > Clinton was just as concerned

Re: Democrats just can't catch a break

2006-09-22 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > Not just Clinton, every President and Congress for the last thirty plus > years > And screw those Lincoln-driving Social Security-dependent boomers- they can > drive Kia's and eat Ramen noodles DUDE! He shoots, he scores!

Re: Liberal Elitist

2006-09-22 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > If that were the case I would have said: "human-animal weddings" > The Namba issue is a real issue that I thought all liberals, > especially elitist ones, supported for the civil liberties aspect Anytime you finding statements like "all liberals believe ..." you should remember tha

Re: Clinton's spot-on criticism of Bush

2006-09-22 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > What was his philosophy? Terrorism is nothing to worry about, it'll > just go away. > That's a rhetorical/partisan argument from my perspective. Pres Clinton was just as concerned as everyone else on terrorism and even more so than the Republican Congress who dinged him for taking

Re: moo

2006-09-22 Thread Todd Ashworth
We will not bring up the subject of sheep again. Ever. On 9/22/06, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Neigh. > > Getting chilly here, where's my sweater? > > ##| -Original Message- > ##| From: Todd Ashworth > ##| > ##| Nuke! > ##| > ##| Surprise! > ##| > ##| Todd >

Re: Democrats just can't catch a break

2006-09-22 Thread Sam
On 9/22/06, Jerry Barnes wrote: > Ahhh. See. This is an example of a concrete plan. I don't think it > would get you or anyone elected to office or keep an office, but at > least it is a plan. That is what the Democrats are missing. Concrete > ideas. I have a plan. Stop sending out the notic

Re: Liberal Elitist

2006-09-22 Thread Sam
If that were the case I would have said: "human-animal weddings" The Namba issue is a real issue that I thought all liberals, especially elitist ones, supported for the civil liberties aspect. I guess I could have started with your questions and worked my way up to the BIG question. But I don't lik

Re: Democrats just can't catch a break

2006-09-22 Thread Jerry Barnes
> Social Security, as a program, isn't broken at all. It's the > uneducated voters and, through them, Congress that's broken. Had > Congress not left the SS fund full of IOUs there'd be no problem. > I can buy that. Alas, due to their greediness, the system cannot continue to work as it is. So

Re: Liberal Elitist

2006-09-22 Thread Jerry Barnes
> I say the exact opposite - it's "elitist" that's meant to say, > "they're our of touch and don't understand you but I'm a normal Joe > just like you." I can agree that elitist is meant to imply "they're out of touch and don't understand ..." but I still think the liberal label is more damning.

Re: Liberal Elitist

2006-09-22 Thread William Bowen
> Nah, just tired of you jumping in my face all the time for unrelated > reasons. Ah I see. But Sam, _you_ brought the book into the discussion. And you did it as an alarmist argument. > I thought I was asking valid questions and I did receive good > answers that cleared things up for me. I thin

RE: Hmm...

2006-09-22 Thread Jacob
John: "What is the column 'InStock' used for?" Jack: "Easy, if the item is in stock, it is marked with an 'X'. If not, then it is empty" John: "But the column is set up with the data type 'text'" Jack: "So..." -Original Message- From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: Gas at $2

2006-09-22 Thread Charlie Griefer
still... better than the $3.00+ it was going for in So Cal 2 weeks ago :) On 9/22/06, Jacob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > $2.69 in Southern California.. give or take. > > Oh.. and there are about 4 refineries within 30 miles of me house > > -Original Message- > From: Nick McClure [mailto:[E

Re: Hmm...

2006-09-22 Thread Jerry Johnson
Or text fields to hold a 100 char or less title? Or a state field that is char, 3 wide? On 9/22/06, Jacob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes.. but for some reason, I love laughing at those when I seem them. > > I guess it is my comic relief... > > -Original Message- > From: Mike Tangorre [m

Re: Liberal Elitist

2006-09-22 Thread Sam
Nah, just tired of you jumping in my face all the time for unrelated reasons. I thought I was asking valid questions and I did receive good answers that cleared things up for me. Your response was both annoying and expected. But I'm not really in a fighting mood, high holidays and all that starting

RE: Gas at $2

2006-09-22 Thread Jacob
$2.69 in Southern California.. give or take. Oh.. and there are about 4 refineries within 30 miles of me house -Original Message- From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 9:34 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Gas at $2 That may be part of it, what ab

RE: Hmm...

2006-09-22 Thread Jacob
Yes.. but for some reason, I love laughing at those when I seem them. I guess it is my comic relief... -Original Message- From: Mike Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 8:30 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Hmm... From: "Jacob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > How

Re: Democrats just can't catch a break

2006-09-22 Thread Sam
We don't have to: If you look closely at the annual letter you receive from the Social Security Administration, you will see that the benefits you've been buying with your payroll taxes are only "scheduled." That's a fancy word for maybe. The federal government can revoke them at will, according t

Re: Liberal Elitist

2006-09-22 Thread William Bowen
> You tell me Billy boy. Does it? Haven't seen the book Sam. Don't care to. If it gets published, I won't buy it, nor I think, will any of the people I associate with. Personally i think NAMBLA is reprehensible, I don't support their organization, nor do I support their stated goals. Do you feel

Re: Democrats just can't catch a break

2006-09-22 Thread Robert Munn
Not just Clinton, every President and Congress for the last thirty plus years has known this problem was coming, and they either ignored it or failed to get anything passed to deal with it. I primarily blame Congress, esp. the House, for this mess. And screw those Lincoln-driving Social Security-d

Re: Liberal Elitist

2006-09-22 Thread Sam
You tell me Billy boy. Does it? Try to follow along, we're talking aboput Liberals, social and elites. All liberals seem to support the ACLU and the fight for NAMBLA to publish this book. The argument they use is it's informational the same as bomb making. So it falls under "Keep the gov't out of

Re: Gas at $2

2006-09-22 Thread William Bowen
> That may be part of it, what about your gas taxes and other state > regulation? We have hefty gas taxes, but, as an example, when we moved to Washington State from Kansas City, almost nine years ago, gas was only $.05 higher per gallon, now we're talking $.75... and we've only increased gas taxe

Re: Liberal Elitist

2006-09-22 Thread William Bowen
> But the book is sold to adults not children. Freedom of speach and all that. Sam, does this fantasy book of your contain pictures of minors? If so, it involves children and would therefore fall under the "not legal" category. I find it interesting that you jump right to Silliness Factor 10 by

Re: Clinton's spot-on criticism of Bush

2006-09-22 Thread William Bowen
> First Maureen, now I'm agreeing with Will..this list has been a bad, > naughty liberal influence on me! Well, you're in KC... so you can go watch a rodeo and get all your conservative values back... you know... big hair, cowboy hats, cruelty to animals... that sort of stuff!! ;-) Isn't the

Re: Clinton's spot-on criticism of Bush

2006-09-22 Thread William Bowen
> I'm not interested enough to find the Bush, "I'm not worried about ..." quote. Is that the "I'm not worried about Bin Laden, I don't lose sleep" (paraphrased) quote? That was long after 9/11. He was trying to show that we were in such control of the situation that he didn't have to worry about

Re: Surf's Up ... WAY UP!

2006-09-22 Thread Robert Munn
Yeah, Pete Cabrinha is one of the original tow-in surfers who conquered Jaws ten years ago. Check this out, it's a video of all the XXL finalists from this year: http://www.surfline.com/video/vids/2006/mar/xxlbiggest/xxlbiggest_wmp.cfm On 9/21/06, Gruss wrote: > > http://www.billabongxxl.com/

Re: Liberal Elitist

2006-09-22 Thread Sam
But the book is sold to adults not children. Freedom of speach and all that. On 9/22/06, Gruss Gott wrote: > That means, basically, The Golden Rule. So let's take your NAMBLA > example: that would definitely be illegal to a social liberal because > it involves minors. This would differ from, say

RE: Gas at $2

2006-09-22 Thread Nick McClure
That may be part of it, what about your gas taxes and other state regulation? > -Original Message- > From: William Bowen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 11:22 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Gas at $2 > > Still in the $2.70 - $2.90s here in Washington Sta

RE: Gas at $2

2006-09-22 Thread Nick McClure
$1.95 is the lowest I've seen. $2.04 is pretty common, but I get it for $1.94 with my Kroger Plus Card > -Original Message- > From: Greg Morphis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 11:15 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Gas at $2 > > 2.27 lowest I've seen in

RE: Clinton's spot-on criticism of Bush

2006-09-22 Thread Ian Skinner
What was his philosophy? Terrorism is nothing to worry about, it'll just go away. Why yes that was Bush's philosophy for the first 9 month of his administration - until the Terrorists attacked. I'm not interested enough to find the Bush, "I'm not worried about ..." quote. -- Ian Sk

Re: Liberal Elitist

2006-09-22 Thread Gruss Gott
> tBone wrote: > Socially liberal to me means that you believe peoples morals are their own > and shouldn't be the focus of legislation. > Hear, hear, that's it. Socially liberal means you want citizens to as free from legislation (and therefore government) as possible. That means, basically, Th

Re: Democrats just can't catch a break

2006-09-22 Thread Sam
You keep blaming the boomers but wasn't it Clinton that took most of the money and paid of the deficit? The idea was 20 years of booming economy could easily pay it back. At least that's the way I remember it. On 9/22/06, Gruss Gott wrote: > > He he. No silly. Social liberal means "get the gover

Re: Democrats just can't catch a break

2006-09-22 Thread Gruss Gott
> WillBo wrote: > > Or we let die in the street. > > Um... is this the "social libral" thing you were talking about? > He he. No silly. Social liberal means "get the government the hell out of moral issues like drugs, prostitution, and Gay Marriage". As for Social Security, if we eliminate bene

RE: Liberal Elitist

2006-09-22 Thread loathe
Not at all. Don't be silly. That would be economic liberalism. Communists tend to involve themselves in every aspect of your life. Gays and the religious were persecuted in the Soviet Union, and birth control is enforced in China. Socially liberal to me means that you believe peoples morals ar

Re: Clinton's spot-on criticism of Bush

2006-09-22 Thread Sam
What was his philosophy? Terrorism is nothing to worry about, it'll just go away. On 9/22/06, G Money wrote: > "But the thing that bothers me about having an ideology as opposed to a > philosophy is that, if you have an ideology, then the outcome is dictated > before the facts are in, before the a

Re: Clinton's spot-on criticism of Bush

2006-09-22 Thread G Money
First Maureen, now I'm agreeing with Will..this list has been a bad, naughty liberal influence on me! On 9/22/06, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Can I get an amen? > > But...but... he got his knob polished in the oval office!!! > > I mean... I mean.. how could he have a perspec

Re: Liberal Elitist

2006-09-22 Thread Sam
Isn't Social Liberalism based on Marxism and Socialism? The modern ones want the Government to take care of the people that won't take care of themselves. They do this by taxing the rest. So the government supports these people and then has to mind their business in what's being done with it? Like

Re: Liberal Elitist

2006-09-22 Thread Robert Munn
That's easy. When the Soviet Union collapsed and people figured out that the socialist ideas and policies of the old Left were bankrupt. The irony, of course, is that the "compassionate conservatives" are basically liberals who like guns and religion and dislike abortion. On 9/22/06, Jerry B wrot

Re: Clinton's spot-on criticism of Bush

2006-09-22 Thread William Bowen
> Can I get an amen? But...but... he got his knob polished in the oval office!!! I mean... I mean.. how could he have a perspective on anything that is worth listening to!?!? :-P oh and... AMEN BROTHER! :-D -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unac

Re: Liberal Elitist

2006-09-22 Thread Gruss Gott
> gMoney wrote: > I don't think W is Catholic. Are you referring to the influence of the RC > church and/or the Pope??? > His advisory team is and it's been the basis of his ideological development. It's the basis for "compassionate conservativism." It comes from is born again evangelical roots

Re: Oldest human ancestor skeleton unearthed

2006-09-22 Thread Larry Lyons
>> Nick wrote: >> But based on the two descriptions, they are different, Lucy didn't have the >> tree climbing upper body they've observed in the latest find. >> > >I thought they both did, but in any event this is part of the debate. >Why are humans so different and why did they evolve so fast whi

Re: New Tolkein Book Coming Out

2006-09-22 Thread Larry Lyons
>> Christopher Tolkien has spent 30 years working on The Children of >> Hurin, which The Lord of the Rings author started in 1918 and later >> abandoned. > >me'thinks there may be a reason it was abandoned... JRR his'own self >lived a long time ignoring that book :-) > If its the part I'm thinking

Re: Oldest human ancestor skeleton unearthed

2006-09-22 Thread Larry Lyons
>God, I love focused nerds. > >Love this line: > >Bernard Wood ... also agreed that it won't settle the debate among >scientists, which he said "makes the Middle East look like a picnic." > > > >On 9/20/06, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Paleontology is well know for its heated wars. The hi

RE: Clinton's spot-on criticism of Bush

2006-09-22 Thread loathe
It's a sad state of affairs that I miss the bastard. > -Original Message- > From: G Money [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 11:33 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Clinton's spot-on criticism of Bush > > "But the thing that bothers me about having an ideology as

Clinton's spot-on criticism of Bush

2006-09-22 Thread G Money
"But the thing that bothers me about having an ideology as opposed to a philosophy is that, if you have an ideology, then the outcome is dictated before the facts are in, before the arguments are heard. And that, I think, can cause problems." Can I get an amen? -- "We can sit outside and argue a

Re: Democrats just can't catch a break

2006-09-22 Thread William Bowen
> Or we let die in the street. Um... is this the "social libral" thing you were talking about? :-P -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." - Carrie Fisher ~| Introducing

Re: Gas at $2

2006-09-22 Thread William Bowen
> Paid $2.01 last night. Thought it wasn't sposed to hit 2 till Thanksgiving? > These lower gas prices are greatI'm voting Republican Still in the $2.70 - $2.90s here in Washington State... But, that couldn't be the gas stations/fuel companies artificially keeping the prices high in an ef

Re: Gas at $2

2006-09-22 Thread Greg Morphis
2.27 lowest I've seen in Little Rock, AR still a lot better than the 2.70+ we were paying just a couple weeks ago On 9/22/06, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paid $2.01 last night. Thought it wasn't sposed to hit 2 till Thanksgiving? > These lower gas prices are greatI'm voting Republica

Gas at $2

2006-09-22 Thread G Money
Paid $2.01 last night. Thought it wasn't sposed to hit 2 till Thanksgiving? These lower gas prices are greatI'm voting Republican jk :) -- "We can sit outside and argue all night long, about a God we've never seen, but who never fails to side with me." ~

RE: moo

2006-09-22 Thread Erika L. Walker
Neigh. Getting chilly here, where's my sweater? ##| -Original Message- ##| From: Todd Ashworth ##| ##| Nuke! ##| ##| Surprise! ##| ##| Todd ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hit

Re: Liberal Elitist

2006-09-22 Thread G Money
On 9/22/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I say the exact opposite - it's "elitist" that's meant to say, > "they're our of touch and don't understand you but I'm a normal Joe > just like you." > > The addition of liberal is meant to appeal to a particular > demographic. I don't think l

Re: Democrats just can't catch a break

2006-09-22 Thread Gruss Gott
> Barnes wrote: > The two choices you listed don't exactly make me jump for joy. To > fund it, more taxes will be needed. There is enough welfare already. > SS is a broken system. Social Security, as a program, isn't broken at all. It's the uneducated voters and, through them, Congress that's b

Re: Liberal Elitist

2006-09-22 Thread Gruss Gott
> Jerry wrote: > So, when did liberal become a bad word? > I say the exact opposite - it's "elitist" that's meant to say, "they're our of touch and don't understand you but I'm a normal Joe just like you." The addition of liberal is meant to appeal to a particular demographic. I don't think libe

Re: Liberal Elitist

2006-09-22 Thread Maureen
On 9/22/06, Jerry Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So, when did liberal become a bad word? The day Rush Windbag signed on the air for his first political broadcast. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 p

Re: Democrats just can't catch a break

2006-09-22 Thread Jerry Barnes
> Social security reform is the biggest populist sham ever invented. > Anybody that understands the reasoning and economics behind the > program will tell you there's 2 options: > > 1.) Leave it as is and fund it, or > 2.) Make it Welfare. > The two choices you listed don't exactly make me jump fo

Re: New Tolkein Book Coming Out

2006-09-22 Thread Jerry Barnes
Hope the son did a better job than Brian Herbert. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://w

Re: Liberal Elitist

2006-09-22 Thread Jerry Barnes
The word liberal is the catch here. No one, including liberals, want to be labelled liberal anymore. So, if people don't research the candidates and do remember the liberal elitist catch phrase, then it will probably help his cause. So, when did liberal become a bad word? ~~