Re: Rope-a-Dope

2008-04-26 Thread Robert Munn
To some extent. AQ is viral now, though. Ironic that Al Qaeda means "the base". Maybe they should have named it "strain one", because it mutates every time we stomp on it. I don't know that we're only reacting, but we are focusing a huge chunk of our military capability in Iraq, another chunk in A

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > Fair enough. I could live with Obama. My only real worry with him is on > economic policy. I'm afraid he's going to make Bush look like a middle > manager at GE. > > HA! Well ... that's always the problem with a guy like Obama: he's new, he's unknown, and he's possibly a liber

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Robert Munn
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Dana wrote: > Last election the bogeyman was the gays threatening the > sanctity of marriage. This year it is those racist black people ;) > And domestic terrorists, don't forget them. Ties in well with the terrorism message, which still plays for Republicans.

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Robert Munn
Fair enough. I could live with Obama. My only real worry with him is on economic policy. I'm afraid he's going to make Bush look like a middle manager at GE. On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Gruss wrote: > > Ah, I'm just giving you sass. > > But, if it is McCain, I'm ok with that. It just can't

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Robert Munn
100% agree, and not just because he served, because he is an American, and we all get a say. But the association is damaging the Obama campaign, right or wrong. On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 8:07 PM, William B wrote: > y'know, I think the fact that Wright put on a uniform and served his > country gives

Re: divide and conquer. - WAS Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Robert Munn
I don't know what is going to happen any more than stock analysts know what the market will do Monday or Vegas bookmakers know who will win the Chargers home opener. Like those people, I research what is happening that could affect the election, and I make predictions based on my research. I could

Rope-a-Dope

2008-04-26 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > Oh, and kicking the sh!t out of Al Qaeda all around the world, I like that, > too. > AQ is playing Rope-a-dope. They attack us and we attack back, but through luck or their good planning we allow ourselves to get drawn into the oldest trick in the book: rope-a-dope. We get our

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > Once again, you want to make it personal. You are such a one-trick pony. > > Posture all you like, come November, McCain is going to be giving a victory > speech, all because the Democratic Party is doing its level best to destroy > itself from within. > Ah, I'm just giving yo

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread William Bowen
y'know, I think the fact that Wright put on a uniform and served his country gives him the right to say just about any damn thing he pleases. He actually earned it. Gave up a student deferment to join the Marine Corps, became a Navy Corpsman after two years and then served at Bethesda Naval Hospita

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Dana
I think that Wright's comments are not at all unusual in their own tradition, and that the white-bread stuffed suits who are trying to spin them to incite racial anxieties of the the white blue-collar class are operating in the best Rovian tradition but also by doing so demonstrating just how littl

Re: divide and conquer. - WAS Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Robert Munn
which is fine with me, as i have noted in the past. xoxo On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Dana wrote: > But Jason > > Gay people are marrying each other!! > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and d

Re: The Jerk

2008-04-26 Thread Adam Haskell
pfft, my president tells me I was made in GODs image and if I was made in GODs image he was white and that means others must be made in the devils image. Tony is Satan! Adam P.S. this was all in jest. Though Weeg really is evil, you all know it! On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Greg Morphis <[E

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Robert Munn
Oh, and kicking the sh!t out of Al Qaeda all around the world, I like that, too. On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Rob wrote: > I have basically defended Bush on the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts, for > reasons that have nothing to do with Bush and everything to do with what I > believe is the mo

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Robert Munn
I have basically defended Bush on the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts, for reasons that have nothing to do with Bush and everything to do with what I believe is the most important ideological struggle of the 21st century. You want to stick your heads in the sand about the threat of radical Islamic f

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Robert Munn
But that's exactly the point. When you hold them to the same standard, the glow wears off Obama's halo. Obama has not been a known quantity. He ran his early campaign on the basic premise that he would be different, and it is starting to look to people like he isn't different. McCain, by contrast,

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Robert Munn
Whether anything in the interview is interesting, true, etc. is totally irrelevant to the question at hand of Wright's attitude to the government, which is why this is a puff piece. Moyer should have asked Wright some tough questions about those statements and gotten some answers from him. He didn'

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Dana
Alright. I have been trying to resist, but... are you really saying that anyone who cannot praise the US government is a racist? I actually found the piece quite thought provoking. You don't think it is true that slaves and slaveholders worship god in different ways? Or that blacks and Jews have s

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Larry Lyons
Given that McCain's minister is the christian fundimentalist extremist John Hagee, are you willing to apply the same criteria? Or does McCain get a buy because he's the presumptive Republican nominee? Or that some of his chief supporters have been under corruption investigations? Such as having

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Robert Munn
Funny how none of you actually wants to address the substance of Obama's problem. Yes, I have seen the puff piece from the Wright apologist Bill Moyer. Where did they address the issues that have been raised about him? Nowhere. Why not? It would be very simple to refute the notion that he is an Am

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Robert Munn
Once again, you want to make it personal. You are such a one-trick pony. Posture all you like, come November, McCain is going to be giving a victory speech, all because the Democratic Party is doing its level best to destroy itself from within. On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Gruss G wrote: >

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > see Robert, I would take this rant a lot more seriously if you weren't such > a mindless defender of Bush > It's MUCH worse to be smart, mindful, thoughtful, well spoken, and still a defender of Bush. ~| Adob

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > What we have, then, is a politician saying one thing and doing another Like building nations after saying no nation building or spending like Johnson after saying he'll be like Reagan? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 s

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > Oh, I don't know, he betrays his oath of office? > By, say, taking away away Americans civil liberties? Already been done! As a 2 time Bush voter, your selection methodology has never been valued less by the American population.

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Dana
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/watch.html On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 3:02 PM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > alright. Have you seen Bill Moyer's interview of Rev. Wright? I assume > not. > > Next question: why not? > > link? > > > -- > will > > "If my life weren't funny, i

Re: The Jerk

2008-04-26 Thread Cameron Childress
and then Christopher Walken shoots Dennis Hopper and asks for something to wipe the egg off his face... That was a good movie. On 4/25/08, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > my mothers family comes from sicily, italy, which we all know > was invaded at times by the moors, from northern africa

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread William Bowen
> alright. Have you seen Bill Moyer's interview of Rev. Wright? I assume not. > Next question: why not? link? -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." - Carrie Fisher ~|

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Dana
et tu Paul? Don't believe the Fox vitriol that people regurgitate. Go watch the interview, if the issue matters to you. On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Paul Ihrig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i still like O... > he sure looks beter then an old sour Mk & pissed off Hilary.. > > > ~~

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Dana
alright. Have you seen Bill Moyer's interview of Rev. Wright? I assume not. Next question: why not? On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > and if insults were flowers I would live in a garden > > On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Dana wrote: > > > see Robert, I

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Paul Ihrig
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Re: divide and conquer. - WAS Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Dana
But Jason Gay people are marrying each other!! 9-11 9-11 9-11 D On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi robert, > > i'm gonna save this email you sent. i'll email you after the nov. > election. > i appreciate your perception of the world vis a vis "what's

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Robert Munn
and if insults were flowers I would live in a garden On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Dana wrote: > see Robert, I would take this rant a lot more seriously if you weren't > such > a mindless defender of Bush > > > ~| Adob

divide and conquer. - WAS Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Jason
hi robert, i'm gonna save this email you sent. i'll email you after the nov. election. i appreciate your perception of the world vis a vis "what's gonna happen" - the simple truth is you don't know. none of us does. further, your perception seems based on a particular set of assumptions as to wh

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Dana
see Robert, I would take this rant a lot more seriously if you weren't such a mindless defender of Bush On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do I judge a person who wants to hold the most powerful elected office on > the planet by the company they keep?

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Robert Munn
Do I judge a person who wants to hold the most powerful elected office on the planet by the company they keep? Of course I do, and so should you. More importantly, the voting public is going to judge him on these associations, make no mistake. That's why the story has not gone away. The problem is

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Robert Munn
Oh, I don't know, he betrays his oath of office? On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Gruss G wrote: > > RoMunn wrote: > > Obama isn't running for head of his department, he is running for > President > > of the United States, > > What's the worst that could happen? >

RE: Vista - Browsing internet while connected to VPN

2008-04-26 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Casey Dougall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 11:55 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Vista - Browsing internet while connected to VPN > > Hi, > > Anyone get this running? I'm trying to setup a VPN connection using the > built in crap

Re: Obama's Conundrum - WAS: Re: For Once, I Agree With Noonan

2008-04-26 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > Obama isn't running for head of his department, he is running for President > of the United States, What's the worst that could happen? He invades a foreign country without provocation and puts our military under the control of their government? Spends more and increases gov'

Business Time

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Vista - Browsing internet while connected to VPN

2008-04-26 Thread Casey Dougall
Hi, Anyone get this running? I'm trying to setup a VPN connection using the built in crap on Vista, but when I connect my web browsing shits the bed. I've been searching high and low for a solution to this. Anyone on here figure this out? -- Casey ~~