Re: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread Beth In Alaska
I have a couple of JW friends who'd let their child die before receiving a transfusion- not because they believe prayer will save their child, but becausee they think god doesn't want them to give their child a transfusion. I guess I believe that to withhold medical treatment in your child inte

RE: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 9:46 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Summer Camps > > YOu have no idea how much of a horrible painful death it is to die of > complications of diabetes. I nearly died a couple of times

Re: Hats For Jordan.

2008-08-05 Thread Beth In Alaska
\> But in any case, like I said, and I hope you know, my posts weren't spurred > by you, but rather by any kind of attitude that we should accept stuff at > face value and jump blindly (Bill ... :P ). It really sucks too be cynical > on the net, but when ya get burnt once or twice, it's hard not t

RE: web developer's dream software

2008-08-05 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 10:08 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: web developer's dream software > > Yeah, I toyed with downloading the MS stuff, but I didn't see a IE5.5 > image anywhere and the images them

RE: [Genius] I Am TOTALLY Sold

2008-08-05 Thread Jeff Garza
Yeah... That's hot... -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:12 PM To: CF-Community Subject: [Genius] I Am TOTALLY Sold By far this candidate will get my vote if on the ticket: http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/64ad536a6d ~~

Re: dichotomy

2008-08-05 Thread Charlie Griefer
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Rastafari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > this is cool: and WHOLLY NSFW but delish (im warning you NSFW!!!) > > http://www.kindgirls.com/photo2/breath-takers/michelle_5322/michelle/16/6/0/ > done! what else ya got? :) -- A byte walks into a bar and orders a pint.

[Genius] I Am TOTALLY Sold

2008-08-05 Thread Gruss Gott
By far this candidate will get my vote if on the ticket: http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/64ad536a6d ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.

Re: It's Just Painful

2008-08-05 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > and yet the AP, of all sources, wrote a very positive piece on his > reception there: > Welp, it's confirmed, the MSM is in the bag for McCain. naw, j/k, well I'm sure it was well received and that McCain has lots people who like his Cotton Hill robo speeches. I do love how he'

RE: web developer's dream software

2008-08-05 Thread Adam Churvis
That second thing. Speaking of apostrophes, shouldn't you have said "if it's cool with the package owner, I say go for it." Rather than "if it's cool with the package's owner, I say go for it." Because the package does not have possession of the owner? *OH NO!* I just opened that one up to

Re: It's Just Painful

2008-08-05 Thread Robert Munn
and yet the AP, of all sources, wrote a very positive piece on his reception there: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080805/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_5 On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Gruss wrote: > I was a McCain fan and despite all his flip-flops and sell-outs I keep > trying to find reasons to li

OBama has a bunch of fat-cat donors

2008-08-05 Thread Robert Munn
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/05/america/bundlers.php and I am shocked, shocked I tell you... ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.n

Re: Hats For Jordan.

2008-08-05 Thread Erika L. Walker
uh huh. :P On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Bill Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And yes of course i'd be annoyed :) I was just playing devils advocate and > being the voice of good for once LOL. :) > > ~| Adobe® ColdFus

Re: web developer's dream software

2008-08-05 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
Yeah, I toyed with downloading the MS stuff, but I didn't see a IE5.5 image anywhere and the images themselves were several hundred mb each. I am proud to say though that the IE6 wine combo displayed the same "disappearing content" bug of IE6 on WinXP ;) If the vmware linux image doesn't pr

Re: my cousins!

2008-08-05 Thread Larry Lyons
Unfortunately its just one small sampling estimate. This could be completely accurate or thoroughly off base. It really needs a lot more samples before I will hope otherwise. I don't mean to sound so skeptical but it really needs a better set of samples. >they found em... i texted them all and

Re: Hats For Jordan.

2008-08-05 Thread Bill Wheatley
And yes of course i'd be annoyed :) I was just playing devils advocate and being the voice of good for once LOL. :) On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Bill. It was a MEMBER of THIS community. Like if it was *I* soliciting help > for my daughter, please sen

Re: Hats For Jordan.

2008-08-05 Thread Bill Wheatley
Instead of biting my head off is always fun. Capital letters in weird places you're starting to type emails like me. You're regressing not progressing LOL. Bill jr..very nice On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Bill. It was a MEMBER of THIS community. Like

Re: Hats For Jordan.

2008-08-05 Thread Bill Wheatley
All i'm saying is it only hurts ourselves when we're cynical :) On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Beth In Alaska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bill. It was a MEMBER of THIS community. Like if it was *I* soliciting > > help > > for my daughter, please send her stuff to cheer her up. > > You all wou

Re: Hats For Jordan.

2008-08-05 Thread Erika L. Walker
Yes! And then all of a sudden they found her and she had been [ insert bad stuff here ] .. yups, that's the one. But in any case, like I said, and I hope you know, my posts weren't spurred by you, but rather by any kind of attitude that we should accept stuff at face value and jump blind

Re: It's Just Painful

2008-08-05 Thread Larry Lyons
>Just as extraordinarily long pauses when answering a question brews >distrust with me. Why you distrust someone who thinks carefully through his answers instead of being so impulsive that he says the first piece of bull that bubbles up. I'd rather have a careful thinker than an effervescent h

Re: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread Larry Lyons
>> We have a case going in Wisconsin right now that's getting lots of > >I'm actually following that one pretty closely (there was a feature about >this in the recent Skeptical Inquirer). > >Charges are often filed (many times by family members) in these cases but I >don't know of case where the ch

Re: web developer's dream software

2008-08-05 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
One of the things that I miss when going back to cf is how easy it is for 1 controller to provide different types of data to the caller. For instance, I have a "policy" controller. For my "show" action the following responses are available. http://myawesomeapp.com/users/someuserid/policies

RE: web developer's dream software

2008-08-05 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:01 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: web developer's dream software > > I just deployed an app at work that I didn't do enough testing on IE6 > since we've only got 1 machine that ha

RE: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Deanna Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 7:56 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Summer Camps > > We have a case going in Wisconsin right now that's getting lots of > press. A little girl died from untreated diabetes because

Re: web developer's dream software

2008-08-05 Thread denstar
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Adam Churvis wrote: >> Why its a nice package to let people experiment with it. > > Is *AN-Y-BO-DY* going to take this one...? You mean the missing apostrophe? I wasn't going to say anything... Or: if you want to take someone's package and experiment with it? if i

Re: web developer's dream software

2008-08-05 Thread denstar
Well, my love just keeps getting re-kindled. I'm really digging Railo 3! And Hibernate has been quite a bit of fun to mess around with-- that sucker is *rich* with functionality. That said, I'm really leaning towards meta-programming more than doing some specific language. The power of meta is

Re: It's Just Painful

2008-08-05 Thread Maureen
McCain is ten years too old to be a baby boomer. I had CNN on today to watch the weather stories and I tried to watch the clips of both Obama and McCain. I couldn't do it. While my punch out factor is not as bad as with Bush and Cheney, I just cannot bring myself to listen to the spin, finger

Re: It's Just Painful

2008-08-05 Thread Gruss Gott
> Bruce wrote: > because you can attract a large crowd does not make you a great leader. I'm not agreeing with that. Neither did Ike. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the

Re: It's Just Painful

2008-08-05 Thread Bruce Sorge
Don't know, and don't care. These things don't concern me. Again, just because you can attract a large crowd does not make you a great leader. And I was referring to the German speech. Gruss Gott wrote: >> Bruce wrote: >> Especially when a concert precedes the speech! >> >> > > Oh come on,

RE: web developer's dream software

2008-08-05 Thread Adam Churvis
> Why its a nice package to let people experiment with it. Is *AN-Y-BO-DY* going to take this one...? No? Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis President Productivity Enhancement ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most

Re: It's Just Painful

2008-08-05 Thread Gruss Gott
> Bruce wrote: > Especially when a concert precedes the speech! > Oh come on, don't repeat that stuff. You're saying that this amount of people: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/18/record_obama_crowd_the_size_of.html Showed for The Decemberists? Are you a big fan of them? Caus

Re: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread Deanna Schneider
We have a case going in Wisconsin right now that's getting lots of press. A little girl died from untreated diabetes because the parents thought she could be healed through prayer. A judge has decreed that the remaining children must be medically supervised on a weekly basis, and charges are being

Re: It's Just Painful

2008-08-05 Thread Bruce Sorge
That's funny! Gruss Gott wrote: > > http://mynewplaidpants.blogspot.com/2008/02/john-mccain-is-cotton-hill.html > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http:/

Re: It's Just Painful

2008-08-05 Thread Gruss Gott
> Vivec wrote: > I'm not comparing McCain to anyone http://mynewplaidpants.blogspot.com/2008/02/john-mccain-is-cotton-hill.html ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free

Re: It's Just Painful

2008-08-05 Thread Bruce Sorge
Especially when a concert precedes the speech! Gruss Gott wrote: > Now THIS is interesting ... > > Because Obama, a guy who can get 80,000 Americans or 200,000 Europeans > to show up *in person*, is certainly the one who fulfills Ike's > leadership definition. > > > ~

Re: It's Just Painful

2008-08-05 Thread Bruce Sorge
Just as extraordinarily long pauses when answering a question brews distrust with me. I don't care about his 1-1 conversations. They are usually prepped anyway. I am talking about when the press asks questions that he is not prompted for. I understand the concept of choosing your words wisely,

Re: It's Just Painful

2008-08-05 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sorge wrote: > Yeah, you are right. All true. > "Leadership is the art of getting someone else to do something you want > done because he wants to do it." > Dwight D. Eisenhower > Now THIS is interesting ... Because Obama, a guy who can get 80,000 Americans or 200,000 Europeans to show u

Re: It's Just Painful

2008-08-05 Thread Vivec
I've seen Obama in 1 on 1 interviews and he has the same fire and brimstone and the same focus. Also, there isn't anything wrong with teleprompters. I'm not comparing McCain to anyone, btw, I'm just saying the guy and his wife look like robots. They evoke an immediate feeling of distrust from me.

Re: It's Just Painful

2008-08-05 Thread Bruce Sorge
Yeah, you are right. I seem to recall the liberal darling Gore. I am pretty sure that a piece of driftwood could be more interesting than him. Or how about the most recent one? The one that speaks of change in nothing but vague terms at best. They all have their faults. But being a great speaker

Re: It's Just Painful

2008-08-05 Thread Gruss Gott
> Vivec wrote: > 0_0 > > McCain looks like the manchurian candidate. > Well he did spend 5 years in a 'nam communist prison. That's a lot of indoctrination time ... ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and d

Re: It's Just Painful

2008-08-05 Thread Vivec
0_0 McCain looks like the manchurian candidate. Talk..Talk...FALSE SMILEtalk talkFALSE SMILE...LAUGH...talk talk... RAISE LEFT ARMtalk talk... Those people just look...rehearsed and wooden. 2008/8/5 Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I was a McCain fan and despite all his flip-flops

It's Just Painful

2008-08-05 Thread Gruss Gott
I was a McCain fan and despite all his flip-flops and sell-outs I keep trying to find reasons to like him. I was thinking his big Sturgis rally would be a good ole fashioned baby-boomer rev up (pun intended): But, jeez, I just can't get past 1 minute watching him and as shallow as it might be I'v

Re: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread Jerry Johnson
Thought they found it was a pitbull? On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > You mean the raccoon? ;^) > > (Just a peeve of mine... mysteries get huge amounts of press, but the > solutions barely ever a mention.) > ~

RE: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Justin Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:18 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Summer Camps > > Someone else asked if I had a specific law in mind... no, just > exploring > the thought process. For example, if there were a th

Re: Redneck Stonehenge

2008-08-05 Thread Paul Ihrig
seriously. not stone hedge kinda crappy... i would shoot his horse. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Arc

Re: web developer's dream software

2008-08-05 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
believe me, CF has been my best tool for ages, but there are just so many things that *I* think are easier to do nowadays with ruby and or rails. The list keeps growing too. On Aug 5, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Maureen wrote: > I occasionally cheat on CF with other environments - Ruby-on-Rails, > AS

DUH!

2008-08-05 Thread Jacob
http://www.knbc.com/news/17098862/detail.html?dl=headlineclick ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive

Re: Hats For Jordan.

2008-08-05 Thread Beth In Alaska
> Bill. It was a MEMBER of THIS community. Like if it was *I* soliciting > help > for my daughter, please send her stuff to cheer her up. > You all would bend over backwards to do it wouldn't you? Most of you > anyway. > How would you feel if it turned out I didn't have a daughter? You'd feel a >

Re: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread G Money
All true. You really have to watch those religious fundamentalists like a hawk. I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say they represent, as a group, the single greatest threat to our way of lives here in this country...and that includes terrorists and Islamo fascists and any other kind of group w

Re: custom http -- don't want to reinvent the wheel

2008-08-05 Thread denstar
Heh. I usually borrow some wifi from somewhere, while on vacation, which I just was. I grabbed kismac right before I bounced (I'm ashamed to say I didn't have it installed and tested prior-- sign of old age!) but the damn drivers where screwy. Sorta worked, so it was still fun. But not as much

Re: web developer's dream software

2008-08-05 Thread Maureen
I occasionally cheat on CF with other environments - Ruby-on-Rails, ASP.NET, etc.. But I always come back. Bottom line, it's still the best tool for the job. On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > well.while I love my CF-Community peeps, I'm falling out

Re: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread Maureen
Which is why the civil court system is overrun by needless lawsuits, and school districts are wasting money defending court cases they are bound to lose. On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Which is why we have a civil court system. > > Maureen wrote: >> In a perfe

Re: web developer's dream software

2008-08-05 Thread Larry Lyons
>While you at it, you may try this one for your web server: >http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/1245 > >Open BlueDragon, open source CFML (ColdFusion) engine all pre-built and ready >to deploy > >>And I don't want to hear no more Why its a nice package to let people experiment with it.

Re: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread Larry Lyons
>> From what I can see it has been. >> >> You're speaking from the viewpoint of someone who agrees with the majority. >> Look at it this way, you're a Muslim student and you walk by that assembly >> with students, teachers, and administration in a worship service. > >What's the impression here- tha

Re: web developer's dream software

2008-08-05 Thread Cameron Childress
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > well.while I love my CF-Community peeps, I'm falling out of love > with CF. Maybe you and CF should go see Dr Phil... ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 sof

Re: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread Loathe
Which is why we have a civil court system. Maureen wrote: > In a perfect world, this is how it would be. However, too many > religious groups will not stop at the boundary. They think it is > their mission from God is to proselytize, and that they will get > points from their Deity for every sou

Re: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread Maureen
In a perfect world, this is how it would be. However, too many religious groups will not stop at the boundary. They think it is their mission from God is to proselytize, and that they will get points from their Deity for every soul they convert. They have no respect for the beliefs of others, be

Re: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread G Money
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Justin Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > I guess my point is that it's all subjective no matter which side of the > argument you come from, and there are no absolute truths (unless you say > that the this statement IS an absolute truth, in which case we're in a > p

Re: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread G Money
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From what I can see it has been. > > You're speaking from the viewpoint of someone who agrees with the majority. > Look at it this way, you're a Muslim student and you walk by that assembly > with students, teachers, and adm

Re: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread Justin Scott
> When it actively preaches ... intolerance for others > then I object. There is little or no difference in > terms of hate when its directed, ... > I have no tolerance for that crap. So, by your argument you have no tolerance for your own intolerance against their intolerance? I agre

Re: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread Justin Scott
>> How about the other way around, when the secular public passes a law >> that prohibits a specific religious practice? I'm not disagreeing with >> you, just probing the logic. > > Depends on the religious practice. If the practice: > 2) Is against the law > > Then I'm OK with it being banned.

Re: Some court decisions I just don't get

2008-08-05 Thread Erika L. Walker
that's only because you've never been a battered wife. just like *we* have NO IDEA without actually being there, what it feels like to be on the line defending our country on a battle field and how screwed up it can make anyone, don't even pretend to understand or come up with reasons why a woman

Re: Some court decisions I just don't get

2008-08-05 Thread Larry Lyons
>Since this happened just down the road here in TN I can talk... > > >The bitch got off easy! > > >Yes that is my professional opinion :-) > > >Seriously though it always seemed fishy to me. The whole defense later >about her having to wear hooker boots etc just never flew with me. To >me she did s

Re: When Subway makes your sandwich wrong...

2008-08-05 Thread Ian Skinner
vein... The Slot Machine is stealing my money! http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080805/D92C6VV84.html ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doublecl

Re: web developer's dream software

2008-08-05 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
well.while I love my CF-Community peeps, I'm falling out of love with CF. On Aug 5, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Larry Lyons wrote: > While you at it, you may try this one for your web server: > http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/1245 > > Open BlueDragon, open source CFML (ColdFusion) engine

Re: Some court decisions I just don't get

2008-08-05 Thread Loathe
I was saying we let people off too easy. A guy ( I think in California) got off on some sugar addiction rush defense. I think that battered wife syndrome is equally as silly a reason. If it doesn't rise to the level of and insanity defense, or self defense than they should be charged and convi

Re: Some court decisions I just don't get

2008-08-05 Thread Larry Lyons
> Yup, and you can get off for murder by eating too many twinkees too, f > > people > What has that to do with it. Stop with the red herrings. You can also get off murder by bribing the judge and jury. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion®

Re: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread Larry Lyons
>> How about the other way around, when the secular public passes a law >> that prohibits a specific religious practice? I'm not disagreeing with >> you, just probing the logic. > > >Depends on the religious practice. If the practice: > >1) Infringes on the rights of others or >2) Is against the l

Redneck Stonehenge

2008-08-05 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=3929956 Hooper farmer builds 'Redneck Stonehenge' August 4th, 2008 @ 5:02pm By Marc Giauque and John Hollenhorst A man in Hooper had a bit of a dispute with a neighbor, and instead of mending fences, he built one. His fence, however, is made out of cars, and he say

When Subway makes your sandwich wrong...

2008-08-05 Thread Jacob
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/sfl-flfladig08050sbaug05,0,34 13833.story?track=rss ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.ne

Re: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread Larry Lyons
>> The line is crossed when legislative or other means of mandate are employed >> to enforce one's beliefs on me. If someone preaches to me every time I talk >> to them, I'll simply quit talking to them. No problem. If that same person >> tries to legislate the teaching of their creation myth to my

Re: web developer's dream software

2008-08-05 Thread Larry Lyons
While you at it, you may try this one for your web server: http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/1245 Open BlueDragon, open source CFML (ColdFusion) engine all pre-built and ready to deploy >I just deployed an app at work that I didn't do enough testing on IE6 >since we've only got 1 mach

Re: my cousins!

2008-08-05 Thread Tony
i know, the freakin minute i read that, i was like... dammit, there goes thems. -- tony Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace. -- siddhartha gautama On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well...they're dead now. :-\ > > > ~~~

Re: my cousins!

2008-08-05 Thread Tony
true. -- tony Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace. -- siddhartha gautama On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:04 PM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That is so awesomebut come on, we all know God planted Gorillas on earth > to test our faith. > > On Tue, Aug 5, 200

Re: my cousins!

2008-08-05 Thread G Money
That is so awesomebut come on, we all know God planted Gorillas on earth to test our faith. On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > they found em... i texted them all and said, dude stay in the trees, > until they leave... dummys didnt listen! > > http://www.cnn.com/

web developer's dream software

2008-08-05 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
I just deployed an app at work that I didn't do enough testing on IE6 since we've only got 1 machine that has it right now. Anyway, I also found a few people using IE5.5 using it (excuse me, are you from the past?) While figuring out how I could do some testing, I came across the vmware

Re: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread G Money
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Justin Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How about the other way around, when the secular public passes a law > that prohibits a specific religious practice? I'm not disagreeing with > you, just probing the logic. Depends on the religious practice. If the practi

Re: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread William Bowen
> How about the other way around, when the secular public passes a law > that prohibits a specific religious practice? I'm not disagreeing with > you, just probing the logic. Do you have a specific law in mind? Polygamy? Ritual Sacrifice? Ingestion of certain substances? -- will "If my life

Re: Some court decisions I just don't get

2008-08-05 Thread J.J. Merrick
Since this happened just down the road here in TN I can talk... The bitch got off easy! Yes that is my professional opinion :-) Seriously though it always seemed fishy to me. The whole defense later about her having to wear hooker boots etc just never flew with me. To me she did snap and I th

Re: Some court decisions I just don't get

2008-08-05 Thread Jerry Johnson
Nope. We have decided that once you have done your time, you are through with your physical incarceration by the government. There are still civil repercussions of your actions (loss of voting rights, loss of gun ownership rights), and there are definitely still societal punishments (shunning, re

Re: Some court decisions I just don't get

2008-08-05 Thread William Bowen
> Also the fact that he was a complete hypocrite - apparently one of his more > favourite > sermons was on family values. Where does abusing your wife for years fit > within family > values? ermm... spousal abuse is endorsed by the bible. -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be tr

Re: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread Jerry Johnson
There should be very few laws that can do this. At least controlling what people do in private. In public, some decorum and community standards need apply. Things like harm or depriving another individual of freedom (child abuse, restraint, assault) should obviously be. I am somewhat on the fen

RE: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread Billy Cox
It is one of the ironies of liberalism (properly understood) that it tolerates everyone except for those who don't believe in tolerance. In other words, 'we like you as long as you agree with our core beliefs.' Kinda sounds like fundamentalism, doesn't it? ;) -Original Message- From:

Re: Some court decisions I just don't get

2008-08-05 Thread Jochem van Dieten
** Private ** wrote: > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Jochem van Dieten wrote: >> >> She did her time. > > 12 days? For killing someone who was sleeping? There are plenty of cases where I personally do not agree with the length of a sentence. But as a society we have decided that once you have

Re: Some court decisions I just don't get

2008-08-05 Thread Loathe
Yup, and you can get off for murder by eating too many twinkees too, f people Larry Lyons wrote: >> Bullshit, standing up for yourself is shooting him while he's hitting >> you, or taking your kid and leaving. > > Its easy for you to say such, you're trained for that. If you've been > terroriz

RE: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread Billy Cox
"Let me make a correction. I should have narrowed my wrath to the evangelicals, or anyone who would attempt to force their beliefs on me or the secular public...including the anti-evolution nuts. I realize that not all fundamentalists are like this. I have absolutely no problem with the ones who s

Re: my cousins!

2008-08-05 Thread Casey Dougall
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well...they're dead now. :-\ > Sweet, there's my lunch. -- Casey ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get

Re: my cousins!

2008-08-05 Thread Casey Dougall
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Re: my cousins!

2008-08-05 Thread Vivec
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Re: my cousins!

2008-08-05 Thread Justin Scott
> they found em... i texted them all and said, dude stay in the trees, > until they leave... dummys didnt listen! LOL, that's awesome. I stopped listening to all the "there are only so many of whatever left" reports after I found out there are still tribes of *people* that haven't been contacte

my cousins!

2008-08-05 Thread Tony
they found em... i texted them all and said, dude stay in the trees, until they leave... dummys didnt listen! http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa/08/05/congo.gorillas/index.html -- tony Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace. -- siddhartha gautama ~

Re: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread Justin Scott
> The line is crossed when legislative or other means of mandate are employed > to enforce one's beliefs on me. If someone preaches to me every time I talk > to them, I'll simply quit talking to them. No problem. If that same person > tries to legislate the teaching of their creation myth to my chi

Re: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread sstwebworks
The first time, I very politely say "no thank you, I'm not interested", then I immediately close the door. If they persist, then I ask them to leave immediately, if they persist after that, they're tresspassing, and I let my 100lb Great Pyrenees answer the door. -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Dev

Re: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread G Money
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Justin Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Even if that way requires them to witness to others (Mormons for example)? > The line is crossed when legislative or other means of mandate are employed to enforce one's beliefs on me. If someone preaches to me every time I

Re: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread Justin Scott
> I realize that not all fundamentalists are like this. I have absolutely no > problem with the ones who simply want to worship in their own way. Even if that way requires them to witness to others (Mormons for example)? -Justin

Re: Summer Camps

2008-08-05 Thread Justin Scott
> I would also suggest that your judgmental attitude toward > fundamentalist christians is no better than their judgment > of homosexuals. I try to keep an open mind, but intolerance of tolerance will not be tolerated. ;) -Justin

Re: custom http -- don't want to reinvent the wheel

2008-08-05 Thread Larry Lyons
+100 on Wget. Its a very useful tool >Wget should do the trick: > >http://users.ugent.be/~bpuype/wget/ > >it's a simple port of the unix utility for windows. I keep it on a >flash drive and run it straight from there. > > > >On Aug 4, 2008, at 10:27 PM, Dana wrote: > >> ~~~

RE: RAID / Drive Question

2008-08-05 Thread Jacob
I just did a RAID 5 with 3 X 147 GB SCSI with 1 hot spare on an Adaptec RAID card. Took less than an hour. The hard drives are Seagate 15K U320. Not sure if CPU/RAM has anything to do with it (I think it has more to do with the RAID card and the hard drives), but it was on a quad core 2.8 GHz se

Re: Some court decisions I just don't get

2008-08-05 Thread Larry Lyons
>Bullshit, standing up for yourself is shooting him while he's hitting >you, or taking your kid and leaving. Its easy for you to say such, you're trained for that. If you've been terrorized for years, it may be the bravest thing you can do. Google hostage effects. The point being is that there

Re: Some court decisions I just don't get

2008-08-05 Thread Jerry Johnson
You pretty much summed up what I have been trying to say but couldn't articulate. On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:51 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Jochem van Dieten <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >wrote: > > > She did her time. > > > 12 days? For killing someone who was

Re: Some court decisions I just don't get

2008-08-05 Thread Jerry Johnson
Personally? Yes, I would rather the children be brought up by the parents of a wife beater than a person who killed another by shooting them in the back while they lay on a bed. Death is so permanent. If wife beating (again, assuming the charges are true, which were never proven) were a capitol

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