On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> because a $500 tax rebate costs less than subsidizing Exxon?
This has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand. But feel
free to discuss it if you want.
-Cameron
nancy pelosi does NOT want to know. Actually.
On 8/17/08, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 5:20 PM, denstar wrote:
> >> The evidence is that everyone, including the White House, was misled
> > [...]
> >
> > Total Bull-Shit, man. Just an obvious untruth, you know?
I disagree :)
On 8/17/08, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I said the invasion was supported by UN resolutions, meaning all the
> resolutions about Iraqi aggression dating back to 1992. As has been
> pointed out here before, the first Gulf War never officially ended, we
> just stopped shor
yes! was forced to watch it for a class and really liked it
On 8/18/08, J.J. Merrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> haha that comment made me LOL.
>
> I saw the movie version a couple of years ago and it was amazing.
> Another good movie is 12 angry men.
>
>
> But yeah we sure have come a long way s
I think this list suffers from not knowing whether it wants to be a
bestseller list of things you should read in order to keep up your end
of a conversation (Harry Potter and the Bible are in this category I
think) or a list of great literature. It is also omits everything
outside the US. More inli
> Did you read his autobiographies? It tripped me out to hear about
> the
> airplanes in the olive fields, and just how knarly that guy's life
> was, after being exposed to his children's literature first.
Nope, never have. Sounds interesting, I may have to look it up (more than *one*
autobiogr
because a $500 tax rebate costs less than subsidizing Exxon?
On 8/19/08, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 10:20 AM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The funny thing is, I wonder how many republicans are on some type of
> > federal aid.
> >
> > I bet it's
The quote I posted said "leaves open the possibility that some weapons
existed in Iraq although not of a militarily significant capability."
I repeat "not of a militarily significant capability".
How can you continue, in the face of even Bush admitting the weapons
weren't there, to use WMDs as jus
> tBone wrote:
> multiple articles that have shown signs of WMD, I've posted links to 1st
> hand accounts of soldiers that have had to deal with WMD in Iraq. It
> doesn't matter to you people.
>
k, now show me the evidence of WMD in all the other countries and then
show me your ranking criteria t
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Loathe wrote:
> I've posted it ad naseum, and your own quote says it leaves open the
> possibility.
I don't personally feel that Iraq was the next logical step after Afghanistan.
I'm a little surprised that you seem to be saying you thought it was--
I had thought
> -Original Message-
> From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:21 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: To Kill a Mockingbird
>
> Yeah, Fonda's quiet demeanor made that character his and his alone.
> And his
> timing was spot-on -- he really commanded
> -Original Message-
> From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:19 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: "Books to Read Before you Die"
>
>
> Books I would add:
>
> The Great Gatsby - The great American Novel.
Another one I've never read!
> The Hit
> -Original Message-
> From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:31 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: "Books to Read Before you Die"
>
> >Crime and Punishment should be on this list. An awesome study into the
> mind
> >of a guilty criminal.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: G Money [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:48 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: "Books to Read Before you Die"
>
> I"m just glad not to see "The Catcher in the Rye" on this list. That
> book is
> on everyone's "must read" list...I do
I've posted it ad naseum, and your own quote says it leaves open the
possibility.
The guy wanted us to think they were there, we thought they were there,
small amounts have been found and discussed here.
I didn't say we found a warehouse of the things.
Maureen wrote:
> If you know where these
If you know where these WMDs are, why don't you inform Bush, Cheney and the ISG?
"Iraq did not have the weapons that our intelligence believed were
there." - George W. Bush, October 8, 2004
"The headlines all say, 'No weapons of mass destruction stockpiled in
Baghdad.' We already knew that." - D
Changing topics?
A statement was made and I'd like to see someone back it up.
I've repeatedly shown the danger that Iraq posed. I personally believe
that any serious WMD that were in Iraq are now in Syria. I have shown
multiple articles that have shown signs of WMD, I've posted links to 1st
What, no Louis L'Amour? :-)
Ender's Game got FAR OUT, in the end, man! I *loved* that book, and
the rest were real good too.
Is Lovecraft in there?
The Wheel of Time series was AWESOME, too. *sniff*
Rama?
Too many good books. I should read more, I've fallen off the wagon.
LCDs, sees. :-(
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
>
> In a world where five or six guys with box cutters and a willingness
> to die could destroy a skyscraper, no one knew what the imminent
> threat was or where the next attack was coming from.
Dude, I think we probably won't agree on this stuff
You know, I did a good bit of work with various TANF (welfare to work,
whatever) programs over the years.
There are some people that milk the system, but it sure as hell ain't
the majority, whatever people tell you.
It can be a real bitch-- Sometimes it seems like the cards are stacked
against, a
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Ian Skinner wrote:
> I wouldn't say "Perfect!".
>
> I might call it "acceptable". Maybe "satisfying" on some primal level.
>
> In my "perfect" word, this type of thing would never happen and thus no
> one would ever need to do this.
>
> But that is the big differen
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Gruss wrote:
>
> Show me the evidence that says that Iraq was and is a clear and
> present danger to the US homeland.
In a world where five or six guys with box cutters and a willingness
to die could destroy a skyscraper, no one knew what the imminent
threat was o
> As I said, I am in favor of programs that give people opportunities,
> especially in places like DC where poverty is entrenched in
> communities. Ultimately, though, is it society's responsibility to
> take care of people who refuse to take care of themselves?
Ah, but our idea of what "taking c
The Atta-Prague connection is murky, but it is clear he was there at
least once, and perhaps twice, though the April, 2001 meeting is
unclear. What did he do in six hours inside the Prague airport, which
he flew to knowing that he could not get out of the airport because he
didn't have a visa? The
That's one of the things that alarmed me most about the public school
system in Washington, DC. The put among the highest per student
dollars into the system in the country, and they have one of the worst
school systems in the country. That's the culture of poverty at work.
Parents teaching their c
I wouldn't say "Perfect!".
I might call it "acceptable". Maybe "satisfying" on some primal level.
In my "perfect" word, this type of thing would never happen and thus no
one would ever need to do this.
But that is the big difference between "Perfect" and "Reality".
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On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Welfare in MN is given this way via debit cards that are re-loadable.
> An investigation has shown that the cards have been used in all 50
> states.
>
> That is, for some reason, Minnesotans who are too poor to buy baby
> form
> Beth wrote:
> winter. Originally the plan was to give out credit card thingies which
> would be able to be used at gas pumps and for utility bills only
Welfare in MN is given this way via debit cards that are re-loadable.
An investigation has shown that the cards have been used in all 50
states
> tBone wrote:
> What evidence?
>
Show me the evidence that says that Iraq was and is a clear and
present danger to the US homeland.
If you can't then we shouldn't waste our time there and we should get
on with finding those responsible for 9/11.
~
>My family will save that 1200 (x3) for use during the expensive
>winter. Poor folks will buy a big screen LCD TV and a trip to seattle to buy
>expensive clothes.
Yeah, frustrating isn't it? It may seem totally backwards to us, because those
of us raised in middle class know all about money man
>So if poor people have the wrong priorities, what good will better skills do
>them? How would they even get the skills without having the desire to learn
>them?
It's not a lack of desire to learn them, that's where the misconception comes
in. It's simply the culture of poverty. Is it difficult t
niggas be havin babies erryday here, gettin mo money fo each one foo
trussit.
-- tony
Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace.
-- siddhartha gautama
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tony wrote:
>> we should put limits on the
What evidence?
G Money wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> You've seen proof of this?
>
>
> He said there is no EVIDENCE of a conspiracyI'm simply saying that Yes,
> there is. I don't know if it's been proven beyond a doubt or not.it's so
>
Tony wrote:
> we should put limits on the number of kids... if you come into the
> system with 3, you are appropriated for 3. if you have more, tough
> shit... figure it out or stop fucking.
Umm, this may be out of date or this may be a regional thing, but for
the 1 month that I got public assist
>> With this administration, even the truth isn't true anymore.
>>
>>
> True.
>
> Erhmmm?
LOL
--
will
"If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be unacceptable."
- Carrie Fisher
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On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Beth Fleischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mary Jo, your comments struck a chord with me .I
[...]
> My family will save that 1200 (x3) for use during the expensive
> winter. Poor folks will buy a big screen LCD TV and a trip to seattle to buy
> expensive clothes.
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:16 PM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> > Don't you want to know the truth?
>
> With this administration, even the truth isn't true anymore.
>
>
True.
Erhmmm?
--
I'm happy just to sit here with old friends
And see which one of us can tell the biggest l
Mary Jo, your comments struck a chord with me .I've always said that we
should give people the means ot care for themselves - job training, jobs,
daycare assistance - because thats renewable resource. If they work, they
pay taxes and eventually the money spent on the training and the daycare
> Don't you want to know the truth?
With this administration, even the truth isn't true anymore.
--
will
"If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be unacceptable."
- Carrie Fisher
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So if poor people have the wrong priorities, what good will better skills do
them? How would they even get the skills without having the desire to learn
them?
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Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:28 AM
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On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You've seen proof of this?
He said there is no EVIDENCE of a conspiracyI'm simply saying that Yes,
there is. I don't know if it's been proven beyond a doubt or not.it's so
hard to tell what's true and what's not these
>we should MANDATE real job searching and limits to the time you can be
>on welfare
>
>we should put limits on the number of kids... if you come into the
>system with 3, you are appropriated for 3. if you have more, tough
>shit... figure it out or stop fucking.
Far too simplistic. There's no doub
its weird; u can get a bj in the oval office & it merits a $400M
investigation but if u invade a foreign country on shaky grounds all
that has to happen is u get a few marines gutted & u get zillion
supporters. and no investigation reqd because, hey, some marines were
killed so now we`ve gotta sta
You've seen proof of this?
G Money wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> No, I'm not making a judgment about the quality of the strategy. I am
>> simply saying that there is no evidence of a conspiracy by the
>> Administration to push the country i
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No, I'm not making a judgment about the quality of the strategy. I am
> simply saying that there is no evidence of a conspiracy by the
> Administration to push the country into a war in Iraq under false
> pretenses.
The p
we should drug test them. hands down no questions asked.
we should MANDATE real job searching and limits to the time you can be
on welfare
we should put limits on the number of kids... if you come into the
system with 3, you are appropriated for 3. if you have more, tough
shit... figure it out or
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:47 PM, denstar wrote:
> And any way you slice the cake, this guy sucks worse than Clinton.
> Clinton got the sucking, versus giving it. =]
ew.
>
> Are you honestly telling me that the evidence-- that the logical
> step-- was to move into Iraq? You are honestly going t
This is exactly the issue with handouts. I'm all for tax credits on
education, job training programs, relocation assistance, school
vouchers- anything to give people an opportunity to improve their own
situation. But giving people cash for nothing? It doesn't break the
cycle, particularly in genera
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Remember, this is supposed to be a program for everyone,
> and yet under Obama's proposal, a whole chunk of people would never
> get back even what they put into it. That isn't fair and it isn't
> right.
I would gladly give
We already spend over a trillion dollars a year at home - just on
Social Security and Medicare.
I don't really want that money spent either way, but the war is a
one-time cost, whereas domestic taxation and spending, once it gets
enacted, is extremely hard to remove, and it becomes a drain on the
>Rich people shouldn't be so upset about poor people getting handouts. Poor
>people are poor after all because they spend everything they make buying
>stuff from rich people.
I wonder how many people really have studied poverty and understand a lot of
what goes on in generational poverty. I am a
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Billy Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think that the difference between liberal and conservative has more to do
> with whose pocket the money goes into.
Yeah mean who's pocket it goes into *first*, not where it eventually ends up.
> In a capitalist economy, th
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:04 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think what denstar was wondering was how many people who voted against
> such social welfare programs, would be averse to using them should they find
> themselves in that situation?
A program that was a safety net? Hopefully
I think that the difference between liberal and conservative has more to do
with whose pocket the money goes into. In a capitalist economy, the money
ends up in the same place either way; it just goes through more intermediary
steps before landing in the bank account of those who invest more money
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> I fail to see any significance in the party affiliation of the recipients.
I think what denstar was wondering was how many people who voted against
such social welfare programs, would be averse to using them should th
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 10:20 AM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The funny thing is, I wonder how many republicans are on some type of
> federal aid.
>
> I bet it's a larger number than you'd think.
Voting for things that use the Fed Govt to take money out of someone
else's pocket and put it
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:38 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ideally we wouldn't be spending 1 trillion dollars ANYWHERE. We don't need
> wars and we don't need extended welfare programs..
+1
> McCain provides the
> war, Obama provides the welfare.at this juncture, i'll take the
>Well we were told on Friday that we are going to be wheels up on Sept.
>5th. We will be spending about a month in Kuwait then we head up North
>to Iraq for our deployment. I am looking forward to this as this will be
>my first time in combat as an infantryman. The other two times I was a
>mech
true... ideally...
-- tony
Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace.
-- siddhartha gautama
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:38 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ideally we wouldn't be spending 1 trillion dollars ANYWHERE. We don't need
> wars and we don't need extende
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:38 AM, G Money wrote:
> Ideally we wouldn't be spending 1 trillion dollars ANYWHERE. We don't need
> wars and we don't need extended welfare programs..McCain provides the
> war, Obama provides the welfare.at this juncture, i'll take the welfare
> over the war.
The
Ideally we wouldn't be spending 1 trillion dollars ANYWHERE. We don't need
wars and we don't need extended welfare programs..McCain provides the
war, Obama provides the welfare.at this juncture, i'll take the welfare
over the war.
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w
id rather spend 1 trillion here on these people than 1 trillion
on a fucking war in iraq.
what part of that doesnt make sense to you? seriously man, you are
a smart guy... but damn...
-- tony
Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace.
-- siddhartha gautama
On Tue, Aug
Three is a good number.
Have fun, and remember to wear your brain bucket.
--
A better world shall emerge based on faith and understanding.
Douglas MacArthur
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well we were told on Friday that we are going to be wheels up on
On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Beth In Alaska wrote:
>> No doubt, if you can take in energy, and transform it to the kind you
>> need, you'll be powered forever, because the only thing that ever
>> really changes, is polarity (sounds deep, neh?).
>
> Thats true . Energy is really the most intere
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