On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't see even the tiniest, remotest possibility of that happening
> in the US. Here are a few thoughts:
>
> - The War on Drugs is a waste of time, money, and resources, but no
> one has ever ended up in Gitmo because of
What a stupid, meaningless quote. Are you seriously debating over the
teleprompter?
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Gruss wrote:
>
> "Perhaps there were moments where it scrolled slightly past her exact
> point in the speech. But I was sitting in the press section next to
> the stage, within ea
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Judah wrote:
>> 1.) Speaking in front of a teleprompter is the most important skill
>> for a leader.
>
> Good point. It is important to be able to communicate clearly with the
> public in times of crisis when you need to bring them together, calm markets
> and unit
Its true that refactoring old code can result in significant speed gains,
but it is also true that different languages have different resource loads.
Java is not a lightweight language. Even within Java, performance can change
significantly depending on what JVM you use and how it is tuned. And tha
> RoMunn wrote:
> 1.) Speaking in front of a teleprompter is the most important skill
> for a leader.
>
Did you hear about Sarah's little teleprompter co-winkie-do??
Well, here's what she said about her RNC speech:
"The teleprompter got messed up, I couldn't follow it, and I just
decided I'd jus
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Judah wrote:
> I believe that Maureen said she'd stay here "until she's hauled off to
> Gitmo" for helping people think. Which I took to mean, its not there yet but
> sure does look like its heading that direction, *insert diety here* hope we
> don't get there. And
I'm not overly worried that McCain isn't an economist, honestly. You can't
be an expert in everything and I'm certainly not going to expect a
presidential candidate to be top notch in all areas. In fact, I give McCain
points for being honest about the things he doesn't know as well. Presidents
need
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 8:34 PM, Gruss wrote:
>
> > As Americans let's remember what's important in an economic crisis:
>
> 1.) Speaking in front of a teleprompter is the most important skill
> for a leader.
>
Good point. I
I believe that Maureen said she'd stay here "until she's hauled off to
Gitmo" for helping people think. Which I took to mean, its not there yet but
sure does look like its heading that direction, *insert diety here* hope we
don't get there. And I don't think we are there yet. But I'd agree that the
CCFCCP
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> gg wrote:
>> Hearts, Stars, and Horseshoes, Clovers, and Blue Moons! Unicorns and
>> Rainbows, and the Red Balloons!
>>
>
> omg omg omg omg omg
>
> hahahahaha!
>
> hahahahahaahahah
>
> ROTFL!
>
~~
Actually, Barclays has agreed to buy Lehman's US banking assets (with
10,000 employees), but you must have missed that when you were busy
trying to figure out how to convince people that the US was headed for
another Depression.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/16/news/companies/barclays_lehman.ap/ind
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 8:34 PM, Gruss wrote:
> As Americans let's remember what's important in an economic crisis:
1.) Speaking in front of a teleprompter is the most important skill
for a leader.
2.) The rest of the world likes Obama.
3.) Republicans are the spawn of Satan.
~
> gg wrote:
> And positive thoughts can fix anything including a broken heart
>
> OK. How's that e-co-nom-eeks cree-sis? She 'bout through?
>
No?? Huh. Thought that'd get 'er done.
Uh. hmmm ... commission?
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On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Gruss wrote:
> * In 1995 McCain pushed for a moratorium on all banking regulation
> saying that banking regulations were "destroying the American family,
> the American dream"
old news
>
> * In 2005 McCain told the WSJ: "I know a lot less about economics than
> I
That's curious, I thought that Republican's were all in favor of viewers
using their free speech rights to try and influence corporate behavior. I
don't know anything about Freddoso, so I can't comment on the allegations
from him or against him. But I think that it is indeed the exercise of free
sp
> Mo wrote:
> Perhaps YOU have said that, but Sam's original post blamed it all on the Dems.
>
OK, we've got a big crises here.
As Americans let's remember what's important in an economic crisis:
(1.) POW
(2.) Palin is female. (despite her track record with the truth we're
pretty sure she's fe
> gg wrote:
> Hearts, Stars, and Horseshoes, Clovers, and Blue Moons! Unicorns and
> Rainbows, and the Red Balloons!
>
omg omg omg omg omg
hahahahaha!
hahahahahaahahah
ROTFL!
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> Oh Robbie wrote:
> No, because it hasn't. There have been no terrorist attacks on U.S.
> soil since 9/11, and that's a damn good record.
^^ ROTFLMAO! vv
> Obama: Standing up for fear-mongering as a political strategy
>
Oh, ah, and this:
> Glad to see you've joined the Dems in painting
> RoMunn wrote:
> John Glenn and John McCain were cleared, that's the best you can come up with?
>
McCain was *officially* cited for "poor judgement" in the S&L crises!
But to answer your question, no, that's not the best I can come up with:
* In 1995 McCain pushed for a moratorium on all bankin
No, because it hasn't. There have been no terrorist attacks on U.S.
soil since 9/11, and that's a damn good record.
Glad to see you've joined the Dems in painting as bleak a picture as
you possibly can.
Obama: Standing up for fear-mongering as a political strategy
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 7:32 PM
http://media.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NzQ1NGYzZTYzOTVjMmNmYzhlY2Q0NzFmNDUyOGY0ZWQ=
Obama's Assault on Free Speech: The Sequel [Guy Benson]
A few weeks ago, I offered an account of the effort by the Obama
campaign to shut down an interview with Stanley Kurtz on Chicago's WGN
radio.
Well, here
Luckily Franklin Raines, Jim Johnson and Jamie Gorelick can start in January :)
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If we want to bankrupt ourselves, why only do it half assed with an
> admitted economic ignoramus like McCain? Let's just get those ENRON
> d
> RoMunn wrote:
> That's the kind of rescue I can live with. Basically it is akin to
> what private equity firm would do, but on a bigger scale.
Except for no PEG would buy AIG because it's a big piece of shit.
At least with a classic bailout I can choose whether I want to own the
stock or not,
Yes but the Gorelick wall was specifically about the FBI and CIA
sharing information.
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Adam Churvis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think we're on two different tracks here. I'm talking about the need for
> a wall between civilian police and the CIA, FBI, NSA, and t
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That article rightly points out that the wall did exist previously:
We know the wall existed, she made it much larger to protect Clinton
from being investigate for his dealings with John Huang and Charlie
Trie.
> And I've
GG's heading to China because the infrastructure is so nice. So's the
government:)
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well,
> I don't know about pakcing up and leaving.
>
> You have to admit that despite its troubles, America is one of the better
> places in the wo
The same thing happened with SS reform. If they can't get a majority it dies.
Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National
Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that
tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their
commitment to financi
Being hauled off to Gitmo for exercising your First Amendment rights.
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Maureen wrote:
> I am not now, nor have I ever been a liberal. And just what about my
> statement do you find not factual?
~
I mostly stick to what I know- tech and energy.
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Maureen wrote:
> You are aware that a lot of the mutual funds are heavily invested in
> Freddie and Fannie, aren't you? Be sure yours aren't among them, or
> you may find yourself taking a serious loss. I have a goo
We've all exercised poor judgment at some time or the other. McCain
was cleared of wrong doing in the Keating scandal. He's made plenty
of other mistakes that disqualify him in my eyes, but I'm a firm
believer in innocent until proven guilty and in this case, he wasn't
guilty.
On Tue, Sep 16, 20
That's the kind of rescue I can live with. Basically it is akin to
what private equity firm would do, but on a bigger scale. Now what I
want to know about the deal is:
- Who, if anyone, from the government will sit on the Board of
Directors of AIG, or will the feds name a slate from private indu
review your email ... the men in black will be arriving shortly
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> gmail all of a sudden, since like last night when i sent the message
> about the biggest bonehead move
> in the nfl... will not open a single cf-comm email??
>
> and i
You are aware that a lot of the mutual funds are heavily invested in
Freddie and Fannie, aren't you? Be sure yours aren't among them, or
you may find yourself taking a serious loss. I have a good friend who
is invested in Legg Mason Value Trust. Last July it was at 80 dollars
a share. It has si
I was being cheeky with Gruss. ;-)
I mostly have money in mutual funds that I ride as long-term
investments. I don't really have any interest in direct investing.
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Maureen wrote:
> The whole key to making money in investments is to buy low and sell
> high, so this
they hate you .
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> gmail all of a sudden, since like last night when i sent the message
> about the biggest bonehead move
> in the nfl... will not open a single cf-comm email??
>
> and ive done everything from delete filters, lab
gmail all of a sudden, since like last night when i sent the message
about the biggest bonehead move
in the nfl... will not open a single cf-comm email??
and ive done everything from delete filters, labels, just have them
coming to my mailbox...
even better... if i try to create a new filter for c
John Glenn and John McCain were cleared, that's the best you can come up with?
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Gruss wrote:
Senators John Glenn and John McCain
> were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having
> exercised "poor judgment".
Perhaps YOU have said that, but Sam's original post blamed it all on the Dems.
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Maureen wrote:
>
>
>> But I still fail to see how it can be blamed on the Democrats. Even
>> if, as you claim,
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Maureen wrote:
> But I still fail to see how it can be blamed on the Democrats. Even
> if, as you claim, you don't know what happened in committee, how can
> blame be placed on either side?
As I've said, I think fault lies with both sides.
~
Luckily we already know!
The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of
corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the
larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s. The
five senators, Alan Cranston (D-CA), Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ), John
Glenn
> RoMunn wrote:
> they may have voted to kill it after hearing from Democrats that it
> would be filibustered, that happens all the time...
>
Ok, so your argument is that banking regulation was a top priority for Bush.
Sheesh. come on Robert. Be honest. Both you and I would've been
de-regulat
If the mere threat of a Democratic filibuster in a Senate that the
Republicans controlled was sufficient to prevent them from bringing a
bill of that significance to the floor for a vote, then they must not
have been too serious about passing reform.
Remember, according to the link Sam posted, Bus
links please. and yes they wil exist if this happened. Try the
Library of Congress
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> they may have voted to kill it after hearing from Democrats that it
> would be filibustered, that happens all the time...
>
> On Tue, Sep
> tBone wrote:
> A lot of people are voting the way they are because we really fear what
> would happen with this guy, he's made a lot of mistakes, has a ton of
> shady friends, has said a lot of funky things, comes from one of the
> most corrupt political machines in the country.
>
And voting Oba
> Mo wrote:
> The whole key to making money in investments is to buy low and sell
> high, so this is exactly the kind of market in which you should
> invest.
MO! SHUSH. UP.
This is NOT the market Robert should put money in.
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Does the paragraph below refer to McCain or Obama?
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> A lot of people are voting the way they are because we really fear what
> would happen with this guy, he's made a lot of mistakes, has a ton of
> shady friends, has said a lot
they may have voted to kill it after hearing from Democrats that it
would be filibustered, that happens all the time...
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Maureen wrote:
> If the Republicans control the votes in the committee, if it failed to
> be voted out, then one or more of the Republicans woul
> gg wrote:
> McCain March 3rd, 2008:
> "I'm always for less regulation, but I am aware of the view that there
> is a need for government oversight. But I am fundamentally a
> deregulator."
>
For those interested in what Obama was doing to prevent the crises
starting in Feb 2006, he discusses it
You're wrong.
There are major ideological differences between the camps at this point.
I'm not a republican, nor am I a christian. I'm not even pro-life.
What I am is a person that believes in the 2nd amendment, that wants us
to stay in Iraq until it is able to secure itself, that cannot all
McCain March 3rd, 2008:
"I'm always for less regulation, but I am aware of the view that there
is a need for government oversight. But I am fundamentally a
deregulator."
McCain Today:
"we're going to need a 9/11 Commission to find out what happened and
what needs to be fixed. I warned two years a
I think we're on two different tracks here. I'm talking about the need for
a wall between civilian police and the CIA, FBI, NSA, and the military. Tim
says it best in his post.
Respectfully,
Adam Phillip Churvis
President
Productivity Enhancement
> -Original Message-
> From: Sam [mail
The whole key to making money in investments is to buy low and sell
high, so this is exactly the kind of market in which you should
invest. When the Dow drops 400 points, buy at the bottom. When it
goes back up, which it will always do, then you sell and take the
profit.
I bought a lot of stock
> Gel wrote:
> I mean only the really northern countries : Switzerland, Norway,
The Swiss keep a pretty tight lid on immigrants. With their gun laws
as they are they'd be full of Yosemite Sams in no time if they
weren't.
BTW, I live in Minnesota and was in Sweden in Feb; 40^F warmer! Toasty!
B
Where's the counter propaganda though Marketing Adobe! Marketing!!!
:)
2008/9/16 Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Same language, different language - often it doesn't matter. Given
> any adequately old codebase, it's often trivial to get significant
> performance gains from ANY rewrite in
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Yves Arsenault
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey all,
> Not sure if any have read this.
I love articles with quotes like "Goldberg offered brief PHP user
profiles. Kargo, for example, had been using Java but found it could
not expand without adding a lot of hardware
> RoMunn wrote:
> lol, not my money, i spend everything i make, you think i'd invest in
> this market? :-D
>
No, I wouldn't expect that you would invest in this market.
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Agreed, I'm even uncomfortable with the way national guard units like SF
and LRS are used by drug task forces across the country. These are
specially trained military professionals, not cops and shouldn't be used
as such.
To be honest I'm very uncomfortable with the entire state of law
enforc
> Erika wrote:
> How many of you would leave if you could? Unencumbered ... and live
> elsewhere? That gladly welcomed US expats ...
>
But rich people don't "leave". They get dual citizenship and keep
pied a terres in the US.
London seems fairly popular, but the Scandinavian and Benelux
countrie
Well,
I don't know about pakcing up and leaving.
You have to admit that despite its troubles, America is one of the better
places in the world to live regarding standard of living.
And it's even better if you are well off, white, and christian ;-)
The thing about the dollar, the US experienced t
If the Republicans control the votes in the committee, if it failed to
be voted out, then one or more of the Republicans would have voted
against it. So yes, we do know why.
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> we have no way of knowing why it didn't make it o
we have no way of knowing why it didn't make it out of committee.
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Maureen wrote:
> Never made it out of committee. Since Republicans were the majority
> party in 2003 tell me again how the Democrats killed this?
~~
lol, not my money, i spend everything i make, you think i'd invest in
this market? :-D
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Gruss wrote:
>> RoMunn wrote:
>> bye bye, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
>>
>
> Oh, no worries. The bag of your money I'm dragging behind me will
> protec
I am not now, nor have I ever been a liberal. And just what about my
statement do you find not factual?
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> See, that's just the kind of factually incorrect and careless
> statement that gives people a false impression of the U
> RoMunn wrote:
> bye bye, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
>
Oh, no worries. The bag of your money I'm dragging behind me will
protect me from harm.
Thanks for the concern though.
BTW - if you need a loan, I'd be happy to give you competitive rate.
~~~
The only significant regulatory legislation in the past 50 years was
the Public Company Accounting Reform and Investor Protection Act of
2002 (Sarbanes-Oxley Act) passed in the wake of the Enron scandal. It
passed 423 to 3. All three no votes were from Republicans.
The legislation that contribut
Hey all,
Not sure if any have read this.
It's a PHP article basically... mentions ColdFusion in a slightly negative
light (of course!)...
A convert from the CF world to a PHP fan he says
Propaganda.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/infoworld/20080916/tc_infoworld/111989
;-)
Yves Arse
See, that's just the kind of factually incorrect and careless
statement that gives people a false impression of the United States.
Liberals throw out these kinds of false and incendiary statements like
candy, then they blame Republicans when the rest of the world thinks
that sort of thing actually
Amen to that. My family has been here since before it was a country and been
in Oregon since before it was a state. We're settled in, we've paid our dues
and will keep fighting to have the country we dream America to be. And you
can bet that's how my daughter will grow up (6th generation born in O
Not me. This is my country and I refuse to abandon it to the minions.
I'll fight to the bitter end, right up to the day they haul me to
Gitmo for inciting people to think.
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How many of you would leave if you could? Unen
bye bye, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Gruss wrote:
> Not only do I hear this all of the time externally, I hear it
> internally. 8 years ago it was a joke, now people are not joking -
> they're physically planning on leaving.
~~~
Some former colleagues of mine got a tour of eBay awhile ago and the
eBay folks were happily telling them how they had this strategy to
"get back to their roots" with private sellers and buyers. I couldn't
figure out how they were going to execute that maneuver, and I still
can't.
On Tue, Sep 16,
That article rightly points out that the wall did exist previously:
What's more, Mr. Ashcroft noted, the wall did not mysteriously arise:
"Someone built this wall." That someone was largely the Democrats, who
enshrined Vietnam-era paranoia about alleged FBI domestic spying abuses by
enacting the 1
Can you overdose on Kool-aid?
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Dana wrote:
>> That's true and I hear this from people I know outside the United
>> States all the time. They want to know if I have travel documents, and
>> if I have a plan to get out. As thou
Basically the same bill that was introduced in 2003, also failed to
leave a Republican controlled committee.
So tell me again how the Democrats killed this?
S.190
Title: A bill to address the regulation of secondary mortgage market
enterprises, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Hagel, Chuck [N
How many of you would leave if you could? Unencumbered ... and live
elsewhere? That gladly welcomed US expats ...
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> They're already gone or have one foot out the door.
>
>
~~
> Dana wrote:
> That's true and I hear this from people I know outside the United
> States all the time. They want to know if I have travel documents, and
> if I have a plan to get out. As though this were 1938 in Germany, and
> I were Jewish.
>
Not only do I hear this all of the time externally,
FEDERAL HOUSING ENTERPRISE REGULATORY REFORM ACT OF 2005
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/record.xpd?id=109-s20060525-16&bill=s109-190
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Great. Now name the regulation bills that Bush or Republicans from
> the Senate or th
I heard that he wanted Lieberman right up to the last minute.
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Dana wrote:
> I don't know about the source or about the staff. But there seems to
> be truth to the idea that McCain wanted Lieberman but the party
> didn't:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/us/pol
> Mo wrote:
> Then you should perhaps stop posting.
>
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Nobody wants to hear moonbat rumors :)
>
Ooh ... ZING!
She got ya there Sammy.
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> RoMunn wrote:
> Except that without a 60 vote majority in the Senate, the majority
> party can't actually pass any legislation without the consent of at
> least a few members of the minority party.
>
Great. Now name the regulation bills that Bush or Republicans from
the Senate or the House int
> JJ wrote:
> I'm going to reluctantly add Gruss to my killfile.
>
> Unsubscribe:
> http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=17189.1589.5
>
Ha ha Sam! 2 to 1, I'm winning!
--
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless
interaction to a battle of wills and add
Then you should perhaps stop posting.
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nobody wants to hear moonbat rumors :)
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Never made it out of committee. Since Republicans were the majority
party in 2003 tell me again how the Democrats killed this?
S.1656
Title: A bill to address regulation of secondary mortgage market
enterprises, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Corzine, Jon S. [NJ] (introduced 9/25/2003)
like Bush didn' thave that in 2001
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Except that without a 60 vote majority in the Senate, the majority
> party can't actually pass any legislation without the consent of at
> least a few members of the minority party.
>
> On
Nah, you might as well point me to Gorelick's op-ed where she claims
the wall already existed. It didn't. Would you like to read about the
wall?
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110004956
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Always h
Except that without a 60 vote majority in the Senate, the majority
party can't actually pass any legislation without the consent of at
least a few members of the minority party.
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Zaphod wrote:
> Kudos to Bush for bringing it up.Why wasn't it acted on though?
> T
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Before you go spouting off any further bullshit about the respective
> roles
> > of the CIA, FBI, NSA and the like and its historic relationship with
>
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Before you go spouting off any further bullshit about the respective roles
> of the CIA, FBI, NSA and the like and its historic relationship with
> domestic repression and Watergate, you might want to read up on a little
>
Kudos to Bush for bringing it up.Why wasn't it acted on though?
The republicans had the senate and the house in 2003.
On Sep 16, 2008, at 3:30 PM, Sam wrote:
> http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print
>
> September 11, 2
For those that are interested
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/update-fannie-mae-and-freddie.html
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No, it was a wall between FBI, CIA and NSA
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Adam Churvis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> So in your world the FBI should not be allowed to tell the CIA
>> anything about al Qaeda cells in the US?
>
> Not a wall between the CIA and the FBI or the NSA; a wall between ci
That's true and I hear this from people I know outside the United
States all the time. They want to know if I have travel documents, and
if I have a plan to get out. As though this were 1938 in Germany, and
I were Jewish.
I do think those people are wrong. But I also think it is telling that
more
Before you go spouting off any further bullshit about the respective roles
of the CIA, FBI, NSA and the like and its historic relationship with
domestic repression and Watergate, you might want to read up on a little
thing called the Church Committee. Wikipedia is a fine start:
http://en.wikipedia.
> So in your world the FBI should not be allowed to tell the CIA
> anything about al Qaeda cells in the US?
Not a wall between the CIA and the FBI or the NSA; a wall between civilian
police and those named parties. There are certain laws in place that demand
it -- even some fairly granular stuff
Nobody wants to hear moonbat rumors :)
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I heard a rumor, don't remember from where, that McCain wanted
> Lieberman, but his entire campaign staff threatened to quit if he
> picked him, so he told them to pick a candidate, and Pa
I don't know about the source or about the staff. But there seems to
be truth to the idea that McCain wanted Lieberman but the party
didn't:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/us/politics/31reconstruct.html
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/378779_meansonline14.html
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 3:
had he picked leiberman, i would bet he would have ended the election with a
clear majority of voters.
just my personal opinion
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Billy Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What I understood was that McCain floated the idea of selecting Lieberman
> and conservatives ve
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> but no matter). I knew there was a wall. In fact anyone with the ability to
> read and an interest in history could tell you that intelligence services
> (CIA) were specifically supposed to be kept seperate from domestic l
What I understood was that McCain floated the idea of selecting Lieberman
and conservatives very nearly went berserk. I can't imagine that McCain
would get that far without his staff's support.
With conservative commentators like Limbaugh and Dobson expressing
underwhelming support for McCain pri
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> McCain's choice of Palin (over, say, Ridge or Lieberman) shows that he
> has enslaved himself to the masters that created Bush and is perfectly
> willing to continue his same policies to attain and hold power. It's
> an abso
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