taking a break

2008-09-19 Thread Robert Munn
As much fun as I have had in the last week on the list, I have killed a ton of productive time, so I'm taking a little hiatus to catch up with some other things... ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and drama

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Robert Munn
Al Qaeda had only been born in 1988 and had not established the kind of offensive capability it demonstrated on 9/11. Had they gotten their act together faster, 9/11 might have happened in the waning days of the Clinton Administration rather than at the outset of the Bush Administration. After 9/1

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Judah McAuley
I seem to recall only one attack on U.S. soil during the Clinton Administration, in 1993, curiously enough also on the World Trade Center. So he also went 7 years as President without an attack. Does that give Clinton the same credit? And I'm presuming for this calculation that we are excluding do

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Robert Munn
As I have said, I have been very disappointed at Bush's expansion of government. But 7 years without a terrorist attack on U.S. soil earned him a LOT of credit with me. On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Gruss wrote: >> RoMunn wrote: >> I am an economic conservative. > > Not if you voted for Bush.

Re: Surge UPDATE!

2008-09-19 Thread Robert Munn
Then that is probably the place to start. http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-24.pdf I just took a look. It's 282 pages long, maybe I'll buy the Cliff Notes. On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Judah wrote: > Petraeus himself wrote/assembled the field manual on counter-insurgency. ~~

Re: Rupert Murdoch: Obama's economic policy "naive"

2008-09-19 Thread Robert Munn
Cheer up, it could be worse. Lincoln suspended habeus corpus. Roosevelt forcibly interned thousands of Japanese-Americans for years without charges, without due process. We survived those events, and those two gentlemen are generally regarded as two of our greatest presidents. Tack on Washington, w

Re: Surge UPDATE!

2008-09-19 Thread Judah McAuley
Petraeus himself wrote/assembled the field manual on counter-insurgency. On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Petraeus had an anti-insurgency plan that was about a lot more than > troop strength. How much of the plan he shared outside the military, > how it w

Re: eve ensler on palin

2008-09-19 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Gruss wrote: > Dude was hangin' wit da Teds That might mean something where you live, but in San Diego that's just gibberish. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramati

Re: Rupert Murdoch: Obama's economic policy "naive"

2008-09-19 Thread Judah McAuley
I'll certainly agree that there is blame to go around. Its not like the Democrats don't have their share of corporate whores. I generally tend to think the influence of lobbying money is more of an issue than the fundamental philosophies of right/left. And, sadly, there is plenty of money being thr

Re: Surge UPDATE!

2008-09-19 Thread Robert Munn
Petraeus had an anti-insurgency plan that was about a lot more than troop strength. How much of the plan he shared outside the military, how it was communicated to the President, and how his advisors shaped it into the State of the Union speech- those are details we just don't know. I'll try and f

Re: Rupert Murdoch: Obama's economic policy "naive"

2008-09-19 Thread Robert Munn
I like Charlie Rangel a lot, even though I mostly disagree with him on policy. I hope he sticks around, but he has sure made it as hard as possible for himself. On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Judah wrote: > I hadn't seen that quote about Palin being disabled. Damn, he sure stepped > in it. Th

Re: Rupert Murdoch: Obama's economic policy "naive"

2008-09-19 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Judah wrote: > > Congress *should* have an important oversight role, they should be a > co-equal branch of government. But the Democrat majority has, sadly, been > ineffectual. I wish they would grow a pair, to coin a phrase. To me that really goes back to the fact

Re: Rupert Murdoch: Obama's economic policy "naive"

2008-09-19 Thread Judah McAuley
I hadn't seen that quote about Palin being disabled. Damn, he sure stepped in it. That's stupid and offensive, especially considering that she has a child with Down Syndrome. There have been quite a few tussles between the younger generation of black pols in NY and the older generation. And with Ra

Re: Surge UPDATE!

2008-09-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > I think the basic troop strength outline was to put people into There's nothing to be curious about. As many lies of omission Robert would like the World to believe, the truth is that NOBODY ever claimed that this differential equation was not true: As troops go to infinity, vi

Re: Surge UPDATE!

2008-09-19 Thread Judah McAuley
I understand what Petraeus said a year after the announcement of the surge, but I was talking about the rationale, the plan, for why to put the surge into place in the beginning and most everything I see in that article seems to back up my recollection, that the majority of the troops (5 brigades i

Re: Surge UPDATE!

2008-09-19 Thread Robert Munn
I think the basic troop strength outline was to put people into Baghdad and Anbar, but the surge was never just about troop strength. Wikipedia has a pretty good summary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_troop_surge_of_2007 Take a look at this bit: --- In his testimony to Congress during S

Re: Rupert Murdoch: Obama's economic policy "naive"

2008-09-19 Thread Judah McAuley
Robert, much as I hate to say it, the Democrats in Congress were largely wussy and ineffectual when it came to most anything related to stopping the Bush agenda. They caved on FISA, though they put up a bigger fight on that one than the others, they caved on most of the issues relating to renewal o

Re: Surge UPDATE!

2008-09-19 Thread Judah McAuley
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well duh, everyone knew that Baghdad had emptied of people by late > 2006. The surge was not just about Baghdad. > I'm honestly curious about this. When they were announcing the surge, I thought that the strategy was to p

Re: Rupert Murdoch: Obama's economic policy "naive"

2008-09-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > Are you posting right after happy hour? > Silly Sammy. Some of us have balls even when we're not drunk. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial htt

McCain: Banking Will Fix Healthcare. DOH!

2008-09-19 Thread Gruss Gott
"Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation." Eat it! http://www.contingencies.org/septoct08/mccain.

Re: McCain Push-Polls Jews

2008-09-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> gMoney wrote: > "I'm more concerned that Republicans are walking around with a list of names > of all the Jewish people in the state." > Eat This! "Oil and coal? Of course, it's a fungible commodity and they don't flag, you know, the molecules, where it's going and where it's not. But in the s

Re: Bruce? Time to check in....

2008-09-19 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> Stories like this make me sick to my stomach. > > http://news.yahoo.com/story//nm/iraq_dc > > Bruce.time to check in with us bud.. I chatted with him on the 17th, he's still in Kuwait, getting ready to head north. He said "in a couple of weeks." Hopefully we hear something from

Re: Rupert Murdoch: Obama's economic policy "naive"

2008-09-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > You have a bad case of Bush Derangement Syndrome. > See how far you've fallen? No accountability. Nobody steps up. You are a 1914 Brit. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic re

Re: eve ensler on palin

2008-09-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > As for Tim McVeigh: > > 1. He was not part of an organization. Oh, he was an organization, and I ain't talking about the Boy Scouts. Dude was hangin' wit da Teds ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most i

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > I am an economic conservative. Not if you voted for Bush. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;2739045

Re: Rupert Murdoch: Obama's economic policy "naive"

2008-09-19 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Gruss wrote: >> RoMunn wrote: >> Democrats have been in charge of both houses of Congress for the last >> two years. Where have they been? Asleep? On vacation? > > Oh, there's plenty of blame. > > But as honorable gentlemen, we start with the Captain and his officer

Re: eve ensler on palin

2008-09-19 Thread Robert Munn
Non-state actors refers to organizations, not individuals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-state_actor As for Tim McVeigh: 1. He was not part of an organization. 2. He didn't act across national boundaries. 3. He committed a crime in the US, so he was subject to US criminal justice. On Fri, Se

Re: Surge UPDATE!

2008-09-19 Thread Robert Munn
w, who studies ethnic conflict. > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080919/sc_nm/iraq_lights_dc Well duh, everyone knew that Baghdad had emptied of people by late 2006. The surge was not just about Baghdad. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8

Re: Chavez. What a Dope.

2008-09-19 Thread Robert Munn
All the wanna-be bullies are figuring out this week what the term "global economy" really means. Notice how Russia has totally backed off its aggressive stance after their stock market lost 50% of its value? Now that's the free market in action. On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Gruss wrote: > CARA

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 5:47 PM, denstar wrote: > >> A certain amount of mistrust of government is a necessary part of life. > > It doesn't sound like you've got a healthy mistrust going, which is > surprising, for a self-labeled conservative. I am an economic conservative. I assume that the gove

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > It's fucking scary, is what it is. An all knowing government might > *seem* safer, on the surface, but.. > > Holy crap is it scary. At least to me, personally. You're so 18th century. Once a human being joins the government (or an investment bank) they are magically transforme

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread denstar
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Robert Munn wrote: > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 2:06 AM, denstar wrote: >> But seriously, you're talking about "preventing terrorist attacks"? >> You'd only catch the lame-ass terrorists, as you well know. The >> scary, rich, powerful ones are way past hotmail and pl

Chavez. What a Dope.

2008-09-19 Thread Gruss Gott
CARACAS, Venezuela -- The Venezuelan government, which this week mocked Lehman Brothers Inc.'s woes as a sign of capitalism's imminent demise, could become a victim of the investment bank's failure. The government of Hugo Chávez holds about $300 million in debt instruments that Lehman had agreed t

Surge UPDATE!

2008-09-19 Thread Gruss Gott
ssentially, our interpretation is that violence has declined in Baghdad because of intercommunal violence that reached a climax as the surge was beginning," said Agnew, who studies ethnic conflict. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080919/

Re: McCain flipflops

2008-09-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> gg wrote: > Well that's because the fundamentals of the economy are strong Oh, and, uh, let's not have any of that governmental wealth redistribution. When Fuld walks out with $500,000,000 despite helping cripple the economy and the tax payer then bails him out is not redistributing wealth. Yo

Re: Here Comes The Serious Talk

2008-09-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > So he is going to give 95% of workers a rebate? The strong fundamentals workers demand we fire Cox. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http:/

Re: McCain flipflops

2008-09-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > I don't think about it. Well that's because the fundamentals of the economy are strong so we're not going to bail out AIG since the workers are strong and thus we need to bail out AIG. The rich love socialism as long as they get the money, right? ~~

Re: McCain flipflops

2008-09-19 Thread Sam
I don't think about it. Should I? Anything specific about it I should comment on or is it the phrase itself that bothers you? On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 4:32 PM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > God this gets old. What do *you* think about the War on Drugs, Sambo? > > For, or against? > ~

Re: non partisan view of the candidates positions

2008-09-19 Thread Gruss Gott
>Scott wrote: > Is there anyplace to get a non partisan, neutral view of the candidate's > positions? > Score: http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/sep/19/where-presidential-candidates-stand/news-politics/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 s

Re: Arrrrrgghhhhh!

2008-09-19 Thread denstar
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > Aye, i'm tired o' hearin' all this political crap ye bunch of > scallywags. > > Aye, me parrot concurs. Yar, I be flummoxed by this den of debaucherous pig-swill spew'n dunsels meself. AVAST! Tis knicker bunch'n time! Aye, we blew the

Re: Here Comes The Serious Talk

2008-09-19 Thread Sam
So he is going to give 95% of workers a rebate? How come we can't get a straight answer form the O camp? On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ah, that's a separate issue. Obama's economic team has performed a > very deft trick- they have created welfare for the

Re: talk about flying the friendly skies

2008-09-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > People are using in-flight Wi-Fi to surf porn on the Internet: > > http://tech.msn.com/products/articlespecialslt.aspx?cp-documentid=10474564>1=40008 > Ground based Wi-Fi is WAY cheaper. Dolts. ~| Adobe® ColdFu

Re: Here Comes The Serious Talk

2008-09-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > Not if Obama gets elected. he'll give people rebates on payroll taxes YeAH! Cause under Republicans our government spending went wAY ... uh Well then there's the war! THAT dropped spending by . . . uh Well just good management of the economy helped to . . . uh Well we made p

Re: McCain flipflops

2008-09-19 Thread Charlie Griefer
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 4:32 PM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Sam wrote: > > Also from the WaPo > > > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/18/AR2008091803159.html > > > > Care to comment on Obama being misleading again? > > So Mc

Re: eve ensler on palin

2008-09-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > Al Qaeda has specifically said their goal is to destroy Western > civilization How about that T McVeigh? He was out to get lots o folk too, right? And, uh, didn't he commit mass murder too? And he's a non-state actor. And he didn't even have to cross borders to do it. And ju

Re: eve ensler on palin

2008-09-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > KSM doesn't have to be prosecuted. FSM is REAL! But you have to have faith. FSM created the dinosaurs. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial

Re: Rupert Murdoch: Obama's economic policy "naive"

2008-09-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > Democrats have been in charge of both houses of Congress for the last > two years. Where have they been? Asleep? On vacation? Oh, there's plenty of blame. But as honorable gentlemen, we start with the Captain and his officers. Bush is captain, Bush's fault. Once you decide hon

Re: McCain flipflops

2008-09-19 Thread denstar
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Sam wrote: > Also from the WaPo > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/18/AR2008091803159.html > > Care to comment on Obama being misleading again? So McCain supports federal regulation of tobacco? Is alcohol already regulated by the feds

talk about flying the friendly skies

2008-09-19 Thread Robert Munn
People are using in-flight Wi-Fi to surf porn on the Internet: http://tech.msn.com/products/articlespecialslt.aspx?cp-documentid=10474564>1=40008 ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to d

Re: eve ensler on palin

2008-09-19 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 4:05 PM, denstar wrote: > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:12 AM, Robert Munn wrote: Do I think that an existential threat to our >> civilization merits a "special circumstances" exception? Absolutely. > > An existential threat? Dude, you have gone Stockholm. Al Qaeda has spec

Re: Here Comes The Serious Talk

2008-09-19 Thread denstar
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Dana wrote: > McCain keeps saying Obama is not ready to lead. Then he follows him :) This line made me laugh harder than seeing Sam try twisting stix. -- To say 'we' and mean 'I' is one of the most recondite insults. Theodor Adorno ~

Re: Here Comes The Serious Talk

2008-09-19 Thread denstar
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Sam wrote: > Trust me when I say if your poor you will know how much money you get > back at the end of the year or how to claim enough depends so that > nothing is taken out. That has not been my experience. -- Thinking no longer means anymore than checking at e

Re: eve ensler on palin

2008-09-19 Thread denstar
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:12 AM, Robert Munn wrote: > I agree, torture is not OK. Am I sorry they did it to KSM? Nope. The > guy hates us, hates everything about us, he wants to destroy our > entire civilization. Fairness and justice are great ideals, just be > clear that Al Qaeda does not believe

Re: ... there is a God..

2008-09-19 Thread denstar
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 5:58 AM, Jim Davis wrote: >> From: denstar >> Subject: Re: ... there is a God.. >> > >> > Natural selection: it's a wonderful thing. >> >> Boobs are proof God loves Us! > > No siree! Natural Selection in action: boobs are proof that we love boobs! Well, that is rather circ

Re: Rupert Murdoch: Obama's economic policy "naive"

2008-09-19 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Gruss wrote: > If you want to blame the janitors because the ship is sinking, your > call, but it's pretty wussy. Are you calling Congress a bunch of janitors? As self-righteous Democrats like to remind everyone, Congress has an important oversight role in the run

Re: eve ensler on palin

2008-09-19 Thread Robert Munn
KSM doesn't have to be prosecuted. Al Qaeda can have him back the day that they sign surrender documents. Going back to Gitmo, I've changed my mind in one respect. If we want to change our image abroad in respect to Gitmo, we need to close it. >From a practical standpoint, that is the only thing t

Re: Rupert Murdoch: Obama's economic policy "naive"

2008-09-19 Thread Sam
Are you posting right after happy hour? :) On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Captain Bush hand selected his officers, put them in place, and has > been piloting the ship for 8 years. > > If you want to blame the janitors because the ship is sinking, your

Re: Rupert Murdoch: Obama's economic policy "naive"

2008-09-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > You mean like Charlie Wrangel's policies Nope, I mean like Bush's laissez-faire, trickle down, they-make-the-money, bullshit LACK of policy that have lead to one of the worst economic disasters our country has ever faced. And before you play dodge-accountability game I'll remind

Bruce? Time to check in....

2008-09-19 Thread G Money
Stories like this make me sick to my stomach. http://news.yahoo.com/story//nm/iraq_dc Bruce.time to check in with us bud.. -- Just once in his life, a man has his time And my time is now, I'm coming alive ~| A

Re: Rupert Murdoch: Obama's economic policy "naive"

2008-09-19 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Gruss wrote: > > Yes. Who knows what could happen? > > His policies might cause a crisis so bad that Washington has to throw > a trillion of tax payer dollars to . . . You mean like Charlie Wrangel's policies that encouraged Fannie and Freddie to lend money to peo

Re: Rupert Murdoch: Obama's economic policy "naive"

2008-09-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > "I am very worried," Murdoch said during an interview Friday with Fox > Business Network. "I like Sen. Obama very much. I have met him. Yes. Who knows what could happen? His policies might cause a crisis so bad that Washington has to throw a trillion of tax payer dollars to . .

Rupert Murdoch: Obama's economic policy "naive"

2008-09-19 Thread Robert Munn
http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/09/murdoch-obamas.html "I am very worried," Murdoch said during an interview Friday with Fox Business Network. "I like Sen. Obama very much. I have met him. He is a very intelligent man. But his policy of anti-globalization, protectionism, is going to be -- and card che

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> Chuck G wrote: > after she was done carving, she extracted the teeth herself. through the > anus. ROTFLMAO! omgomgomgomg LOL! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Charlie Griefer
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > RoMunn wrote: > > That is not the truth. Frye was concerned about having to pay for a > > separate (personal) device and bear that cost herself > > I heard the email server went down so Palin carved communications into > mo

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > That is not the truth. Frye was concerned about having to pay for a > separate (personal) device and bear that cost herself I heard the email server went down so Palin carved communications into moose teeth and then trained salmon to swim them upriver to their recepients. And th

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Dana
that's about right. On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I disagree. > > This is a HUGE issue. > > Just as the White House used personal, private emails to talk about public > business, with the SOLE intention of getting around transparency laws and > not hav

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Dana
::sigh:: nobody there had heard of a VPN? It may have been common, but I assure that it is not good practice. On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have worked for the State of Florida and the State of California. > In both instances, it was common to communicate

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Jerry Johnson
I disagree. This is a HUGE issue. Just as the White House used personal, private emails to talk about public business, with the SOLE intention of getting around transparency laws and not having to archive, save, or produce those emails as part of an subpoena, if she and her staff did this to avoi

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Dana wrote: > she said they were trying to evade a subpoena :) Awesome behavior in a > political leader, eh? That is not the truth. Frye was concerned about having to pay for a separate (personal) device and bear that cost herself, and she wanted to know the bounda

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Maureen
I have worked for the State of Florida and the State of California. In both instances, it was common to communicate with co-workers, or to forward business email to my personal account because I often needed the info and the state email accounts were behind firewalls and not accessible from home.

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Dana
she said they were trying to evade a subpoena :) Awesome behavior in a political leader, eh? > We know what Ivy Frye said. Everything else surrounding what she said > is speculation. Not the same thing. Do your customers send you email about business to your personal account? Do you send them ema

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Dana wrote: >> You are assigning motives without knowing the full picture. A staffer >> (Ivy Frye) is the one who brought up all the issues of subpoena and >> personal accounts. > > And you claim she is lying or mistaken? We know what Ivy Frye said. Everything els

Re: Slick stuff here

2008-09-19 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
I do! At work, I have a macbook and a windows box. Sometimes I *have* to use my windows box for stuff. This makes it more palatable. And my macbook can stay outside the corporate firewall. On Sep 19, 2008, at 3:30 PM, J.J. Merrick wrote: > Or you can just get a mac > > > > ::ducks:::

Re: Slick stuff here

2008-09-19 Thread Dana
thanks for sharing! Sounds like fun. I should try to find time to look into this. On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been using linux vm's to do my rails development since ruby runs > about 4 times as fast on linux than windows. It's kind of a pit

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Dana
the guy that hacked the account isn't running for vice president. > You are assigning motives without knowing the full picture. A staffer > (Ivy Frye) is the one who brought up all the issues of subpoena and > personal accounts. And you claim she is lying or mistaken? > What seems clear is that

Re: Slick stuff here

2008-09-19 Thread J.J. Merrick
Or you can just get a mac ::ducks::: :-) On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been using linux vm's to do my rails development since ruby runs > about 4 times as fast on linux than windows. It's kind of a pita to > set up the samba shares an

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Robert Munn
You are assigning motives without knowing the full picture. A staffer (Ivy Frye) is the one who brought up all the issues of subpoena and personal accounts. What seems clear is that most of the email she received in that box was personal in nature- exchanges with her kids, etc. The exchange with t

Slick stuff here

2008-09-19 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
I've been using linux vm's to do my rails development since ruby runs about 4 times as fast on linux than windows. It's kind of a pita to set up the samba shares and such. I recently found the andLinux distro. It's a variant of the linux kernel that runs in windows. It acts just like a

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Beth Fleischer
- Original Message - From: "William Bowen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 10:43 AM Subject: Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published >> If you can produce a single shred of evidence that state secrets were >> endangered, by all means go

Re: now Obama's email hacked

2008-09-19 Thread Jerry Barnes
The Tim Robbins Scattergories was comedy gold. J On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Beth Fleischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ROFLMAO! > > > > http://americandigest.org/Obama-Deletes-Inbox_redo.jpg > > > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFu

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Charlie Griefer
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Chuck wrote: > > i'm sorry but we're talking about Palin here, so i was unable to get past > > anything after "went down". > > > > Ah, no problem. > > I was just trying to get deeper penetration into the issue by exposing

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Dana
It's beyond accountability. Your average tech would be reprimanded for what she did. She did it to circumvent a law designed to enforce transparency. And why would transparency be a bad thing, you wonder. Hmm. Meanwhile, regardless of what was in her inbox when this was done, if the account is bei

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> Chuck wrote: > i'm sorry but we're talking about Palin here, so i was unable to get past > anything after "went down". > Ah, no problem. I was just trying to get deeper penetration into the issue by exposing the seldom seen backside and holding up high for all to see.

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread William Bowen
> If you can produce a single shred of evidence that state secrets were > endangered, by all means go ahead and produce it. She has shown a willingness to circumvent security and the law in order to prevent the possibility of subpoena. That in and of itself shows that she is not capable of keeping

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread William Bowen
> i'm sorry but we're talking about Palin here, so i was unable to get past > anything after "went down". bow-chicka-bow-bow. -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." - Carrie Fisher

Fuel surcharge not only for airlines...

2008-09-19 Thread Jacob
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Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Charlie Griefer
i'm sorry but we're talking about Palin here, so i was unable to get past anything after "went down". On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dana wrote: > > I see someone who doesn't think security is important. > > > > No, what it shows is that nobody knows

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > I see someone who doesn't think security is important. > No, what it shows is that nobody knows what honor is anymore. It used to be that the captain "went down with the ship". That is, the captain took full responsibility for his ship, his officers, and his crew. And a good ca

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Dana
I see someone who doesn't think security is important. On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you can produce a single shred of evidence that state secrets were > endangered, by all means go ahead and produce it. > > I see a lot of accusations and no evidence

Re: Here Goes MorganStanley?

2008-09-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> L2 wrote: > given the piss poor quality of the beer, perhaps belgian ownership can only > improve Bud. > Yesterday I'd have said this deal was done . . . but with taxpayers buying all the junk debt . . That's it! After 8 years, yes, we've got a pointless war and an economic crisis of histori

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Robert Munn
If you can produce a single shred of evidence that state secrets were endangered, by all means go ahead and produce it. I see a lot of accusations and no evidence to back them up. That is what blind partisanship looks like. On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Dana wrote: > wow. So this is what bli

Re: tide has turned on home sales in California

2008-09-19 Thread Judah McAuley
As a renter that is hoping to buy in the next couple years, I'd love to see the market bottom out more here in Portland. Prices are just barely starting to go down, I think they dropped about 9% recently. But that was after *22 months* of double digit increases. With the recent decrease, median hom

Re: Couple charged under patriot act for snuggling on aircraft.

2008-09-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > Read: > It has nothing to do with the US. Canada reported him > as a terrorist so the US stopped him. So the Canadians call a guy a terrorist just because he likes to snuggle aircraft? I would think that Canadians would be more open to alternative relationships. ~

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Dana
wow. So this is what blind partisanship looks like. It's ok to endanger state secrets, as long as its one of our guys doing it, eh? I think this has just ceased to be a fruitful conversation. On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:50 AM

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Dana wrote: > Do you really > think she should have a top sewcret clearance? yup ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://a

RE: Star Wars

2008-09-19 Thread Scott Raley -ITC
that's what I thought but just wanted to make sure -Original Message- From: G Money [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 11:26 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Star Wars The man formerly known as George Lucas. On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Scott Raley -ITC <[EM

RE: Star Wars

2008-09-19 Thread Scott Raley -ITC
that's what I thought but just wanted to make sure -Original Message- From: G Money [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 11:26 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Star Wars The man formerly known as George Lucas. On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Scott Raley -ITC <[EM

Re: now Obama's email hacked

2008-09-19 Thread Beth Fleischer
ROFLMAO! > http://americandigest.org/Obama-Deletes-Inbox_redo.jpg > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j

Re: Palin's email account hacked, emails published

2008-09-19 Thread Dana
Her intent ws clearly to circumvent this law. That's smoke and so is your attempt to argue about a technology you know nothing about and are not trying to learn anything about. Here's the meat of the issue. She made an account where government business was being conducted very very easy to hack. D

Re: Couple charged under patriot act for snuggling on aircraft.

2008-09-19 Thread Sam
Read: It has nothing to do with the US. Canada reported him as a terrorist so the US stopped him. Canada refused to accept him so they sent him to the other country he had a passport for. Not the US's fault he skipped out on the military. Then This: "He said the Americans said to the Canadians, '

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