I'm not an Israeli so most of the things people ask me about Israel I have
to double check but there are volunteer planting programs as well as
government ones. The entire "rebuild the land" thing makes planting a major
ideal, government or not. Israel is at the forefront of desert reclamation
and
I'm not advocating mandatory service. I do like the idea of tuition
credit in exchange for service, or service in exchange for
unemployment compensation (my idea - not Obama's).
I doubt anyone would force children into community service that
required them to travel far from home. The transportat
I'd argue that civics is at least as important as reading, writing and
math. I've known good people who couldn't read and write. I've known
people who could read and write just fine but who were lousy excuses
for human beings. I don't think that civic service will make everyone
good and the lack of
GO GIANTS! :)
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Scott Raley -ITC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Go philly! (I don't like the eagles either) :)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:24 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subje
How about we make sure our kids can read and write and do math befor we sign
them up for anything else.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Summer? One hour a week instead of recess?
>
> I'm really seeing something more like the CCC, but I suspect if school
> kid
I'll be happy to be wrong.
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Dana wrote:
> I am not sure you are correct about Obama. He seems to be avoiding
> entanglement with the financial services bailout; wisely in my
> opinion. I think his vote for the plan was a mistake and the plan is a
> disaster.
>
> As
>http://www.agencysacks.com/clients/pdfs/ArgentMagazine.pdf
>
>I enjoyed it.
Thank you, me too.
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Moshe's already a little chubby. No recess means chubbier. And the same can
easily got for many other kids, especially with the fast food diet many in
the city have. But that's just an excuse. How about it'll take someone an
hour to get from the Bronx or Brooklyn to Manhattan if that's where they
h
Maybe. But if I remember correctly, the peace corp was voluntary. Meals on
wheels is voluntary. There are kids who do their own form of national
service because they feel its the right thing to do. These kids may be
penalized (in time or whatever) if their volunteer work is not considered
the prope
Summer? One hour a week instead of recess?
I'm really seeing something more like the CCC, but I suspect if school
kids are involved the service could become part of their education -
painting the schools, mentoring younger children, etc..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Conservation_Corps
Maybe the kids doing national service ensures they grow up to be
proper responsible adults.
2008/11/9 Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> We need it for people who don't show responsibility for
> themselves, their environment or for others. And we need to recognize those
> who have responsibil
Some of them, not all of them.
Obama's bad for America - opinion based on generalizations
Obama said X - specific quote
Obama said X so he's bad for America - specific quote with a generalized
opinion
Obama said X and then took it back by saying Y so he's bad for America - 2
specifics with a gener
Back to my programming ...
hugs.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> But that's the point. I'm reading more and more generalized negative
> comments about 'our' children. 'our' future. This is a jump from "the kids
> made the right choice in electing
But that's the point. I'm reading more and more generalized negative
comments about 'our' children. 'our' future. This is a jump from "the kids
made the right choice in electing Obama". I'm sure many under 21 would read
some of these comments and have the opinion that
"oh, it's just those old folks
The only firm proposal I've seen was the 4000 dollar tuition credit
for college in exchange for 100 hours of community service. That's
40 bucks an hour. Doesn't seem a bad quid pro quo to me. Might not
fly in states like Georgia where the Hope scholarship pays for
college, but could be a good id
> Eri-k-a wrote:
> Mikey, I love ya man, but I KNOW you understand exactly what I am talking
> about.
>
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So every single person that had something to say about Obama on this list
was specific down to the exact fact and example they were speaking about?
BS.
Mikey, I love ya man, but I KNOW you understand exactly what I am talking
about.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTEC
Completely stupid choice! Should have just gone for the extra point to tie,
unless they were totally ripping apart the Chargers defense which they
weren't at all.
Doesn't surprise me though :)
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I just read the interview with him in last week's Rolling Stone. He
just sounds so damn articulate and intelligent. After eight years of
Shrub, that's a blessed relief.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyway, it's nice to be able to look forward to a Pres
Obama said X. Omaba did Y. Specifics.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Yes he is. Try again.
>
> People's opinions on Obama are based mostly on generalizations.
>
> Generalizations about race, political party, past presidents, past
> behaviors, etc.
>
>
I guess my point to you would be: I wasn't talking about you or your kids.
Neither was Gruss. I'm sure.
So how about a chill pill?
Which is what I would expect from you, to say to me, if I took one of your
generalizations to heart. Tell me to "back off Erika, I'm not talking about
you."
"Oh, OK.
Yes he is. Try again.
People's opinions on Obama are based mostly on generalizations.
Generalizations about race, political party, past presidents, past
behaviors, etc.
BS. Once again.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> One can have an opinion on a s
I realize that actually needs clarifications.
I can't have an opinion on national service without "generalizing" how I
feel it should be.
I can't have an opinion on politics, without generalizing what I am speaking
about.
I can't have an opinion on how cold it is in the mountains without
generaliz
One can have an opinion on a specific. Everyone here has/had an opinion on
Obama and he's not a generalization.
Some, many, most. Generalizations without including everyone.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Without generalizations, you can't have opinio
Without generalizations, you can't have opinions.
Period.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Generalizations are just that and they always insult people, no matter if
> they are exceptional or not. How many times do you/we feel insulted when a
> magazi
Janet is NOT the example to use. I quote Chris Rock on this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5riPXVp5ZFo
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 8:20 PM, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> So America is one of the most prudish countries in the world. I mean OMG,
> Janet Jackson's nipple
>
~~
Generalizations are just that and they always insult people, no matter if
they are exceptional or not. How many times do you/we feel insulted when a
magazine says something like "ColdFusion programmers don't know how to
code?"
Yes, there are some kids who deserve to be folded, spindled and mutilat
So America is one of the most prudish countries in the world. I mean OMG,
Janet Jackson's nipple
But everything seems to be sponsored by Viagra or Cialis these days.
WTF?
I mean sure, it's definitely not graphic (pill commercials) ... but if we
think of this from a parent's standpoint, it se
Israel is a tiny nation the size of New Jersey with enemies all around it
looking to destroy it. National service is a means of keeping the country
'alive'. But like all things in Israel, it is nowhere near as clear cut as you
may want to think.
>I like it. I always respected how Israel requir
General statements result can result in data clashes as the variable you
think your sending is not the one you are expressing
"Give them the benefit of the doubt" (song)
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On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dino wr
Hey, I can understand you being upset about the "nasty little" comment ...
but be careful about how you generalize.
I made sure I said there were exceptions, and my exceptions included
everyone on this list. Personally, I've met Adam's kids and I believe that
are fabulous. I've not met your kids,
> Dino wrote:
> shouldn't. I'm a parent and while my children are not perfect, they are not
> "annoying little dumbfucks".
>
I was joking Mike, but only half.
I know some children that I really like and some I love. For example
just about everyone in my sub has children and I like all of them.
Herm was trying to make a statement. Given how poorly the Chargers' D has
played this year, he made a good decision to go for it.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Erika L. Walker wrote:
> Now was that not a bonehead decision or what? The announcers are say the
> coach made the right call ... but .
> Sam wrote:
> Let's face it, ignorance is bliss. Nobody knows anything about Obama
> and they hope he'll miraculously figure out how to be president.
>
I know, it's awesome.
I mean with Bush we were certain he was a total dumbfuck that was
going to ruin the country. Well at least some of us hav
My son Moshe leaves school at 5:30 and gets home at 6:00. He has homework and
helps out some with his siblings. He also has school for half a day on Sunday.
When is he supposed to do his 'service'? And that's just one example.
A single parent with more than one child may need the older one(s) at
That's what they are saying, and hell, they got nothing to lose, so fine,
but still. I'd rather take it into overtime.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Right call.
>
> A 1-7 team plays to a tie no one expected.
>
> Coach has to decide is his team can bea
I gotta say I was way surprised at that call. Go for the sure thing and
then try to win in OT. But I'm happy, I took KC with the 14.5 points, so I
won no matter what happened. Gonna guess g-Money ain't gonna be so happy
when he replies to this tomorrow though. I think Herm blew it.
On Sun, N
Exactly. I mean really. Just tie it and then keep the game going!
I don't care either way ... not a fan of either team, but jeez ...
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 7:28 PM, Charlie Griefer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> d'oh!
> Normally I like aggressive play calling... but when you're fighting to not
>
Hey even if we lose, we're still 1/2 game up on Washington, 2 games up on
Philly, and how many games over the 'boys? :)
Not that I'm looking for the Giants to lose. They win this one and they've
swept round 1 of the division.
Should be a good game tho. Philly's got some momentum. McNabb and
Wes
Right call.
A 1-7 team plays to a tie no one expected.
Coach has to decide is his team can beat the other team in the overtime.
Is his team tired? Lucky to be in it at all? Missing key players? Is the
momentum against him?
I think he _did_ make the right call (estimating the above without all t
d'oh!
Normally I like aggressive play calling... but when you're fighting to not
lose the game (e.g. no momentum), you go for the tie and regroup before OT
starts.
I disagree with the announcers on this one.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 24 seconds l
Go philly! (I don't like the eagles either) :)
-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:24 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: KC
wha' happened?
football for me doesn't start for another hour.
GO GIANTS! :)
On Sun, Nov 9
24 seconds left, KC get's a touchdown. 19/20
extra point to tie the game, and they go for 2 instead
and of course they miss it.
muppets.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 7:23 PM, Charlie Griefer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> wha' happened?
> football for me doesn't start for another hour.
>
> GO GIANTS!
wha' happened?
football for me doesn't start for another hour.
GO GIANTS! :)
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Now was that not a bonehead decision or what? The announcers are say the
> coach made the right call ... but ... huh?
> I dont know, w
Now was that not a bonehead decision or what? The announcers are say the
coach made the right call ... but ... huh?
I dont know, what the hell do I know.
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On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
> Anyone who thinks there are unbiased news sources anywhere is a clueless
> fool.
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On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Dana wrote:
> I think it would be better to give incentives to do it than to make it
> mandatory. I think national service of some kind is a good idea, but
> some kids may be ready at 15 and others at 19. It has to be useful
> service, otherwise it is merely bad cus
lol, sorry. Start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Scott Raley -ITC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That doesn't help when you are looking for something cheap on ebay that
> isn't brand spankin new
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Munn [mailto:[
That doesn't help when you are looking for something cheap on ebay that
isn't brand spankin new
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From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:08 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: 64 bit
Everything out now supports 64 bit.
On Sun, Nov 9,
Everything out now supports 64 bit.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Scott Raley wrote:
> Does anyone have a link to model numbers of processors that support 64 bit
> (prefer Intel but if you have AMD that's good too) I see lots of google and
> Wikipedia stuff that some newer Xeon, Core 2, Pentiu
So a bunch of unelected bureaucrats can have legions of unpaid laborers to
do their bidding? Screw that.
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Judah wrote:
> Obama is proposing a pretty broad program of national service geared
> toward middle school, high school and college students. At one point
> it
Anyone who thinks there are unbiased news sources anywhere is a clueless
fool.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Gruss > wrote:
>
>
> I have no problem finding both unbiased news sources (The NewsHour,
> Washington Week, KCRW's shows, et al) and biased news sources such as
> Drudge and FoxNews.
>
is it a bad thing? No.
Is it a bad thing to make it mandatory? I think so. To me, forcing anyone to
do anything (except maybe pay taxes) seems very un-American.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Charlie Griefer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Don't know that I agree with that. Die-hard fans of anoth
I agree that bringing the Cowboys into it was a poor analogy. We're trying
to debate the merits of teaching good things.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Scott Raley -ITC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Let's not cross a line and bring the NFL into this or at least the
> Cowboys..
>
> -Original
Let's not cross a line and bring the NFL into this or at least the Cowboys..
-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:23 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Thoughts on national service
No more so than forcing someone to go to Cowboys
And until the late 1800's so was slavery, what's your point?
Times change, people change, feelings change.
I probably would have been against forced national service back then it was
the 'norm' too (and probably thought a communist)
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot
Don't know that I agree with that. Die-hard fans of another team, sure...
it'd be tough. But for the casual fan of the game, I think that in time
familiarity would breed loyalty.
I don't know that I'm sold on the idea of mandatory service, but I know that
for me personally, it'd probably have don
That's a recent thing, only since the 70s, before that mandatory service was
the norm.
> -Original Message-
> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:21 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Thoughts on national service
>
> One thing that makes thi
No more so than forcing someone to go to Cowboys games would make them a
Cowboys fan.
People either re patriotic or they are not. Forcing someone into service
infringes on an individuals right to choose.
I am all for incentive based service programs, but not mandatory service
programs.
On Sun,
One thing that makes this country so great is that we can choose to 'give
back' if we so desire. Forcing this upon people takes away take choice.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah god forbid you give back to the nation that enables us to the live the
> soft
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Scott Stroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't like the government mandating what I do with my 'free' time.
>
> Seems more like servitude than anythign else if its mandatory.
>
> Also, its not patriotic if its mandatory.
>
I think the patriotism would follow as
I worked for the Florida conservation corps. Lived in barracks, wore a
uniform, made less than minimum wage if you looked at hours vs. salary.
Many states already have a minimal corps still going, it could be easily
expanded. Personally I would like to see the state be the administrator of
the p
The federal government has no business in state and private secondary
schools, at least it shouldn't.
> -Original Message-
> From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 3:41 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Thoughts on national service
>
> >I think
Yeah god forbid you give back to the nation that enables us to the live the
soft comfortable lives we live.
> -Original Message-
> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:50 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Thoughts on national service
>
> I d
I think you're wrong about the age thing.
I'd like to see us do something more like England, where kids can be done
with high school at 16, than go on for more schooling, go to trade school,
or start a career.
> -Original Message-
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sund
The constitution specifically provides for conscription and forced
government service.
> -Original Message-
> From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 8:13 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Thoughts on national service
>
> "What do people think a
I do not agree that internships with private business should be counted as
civic/community service.
> -Original Message-
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 2:43 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Thoughts on national service
>
> > Judah wrot
I fully support the idea. Start young with civics projects, move into more
government/health/military stuff culminating around the time you graduate
college.
I will be honest. I'm tentatively hopeful about this administration. If he
can return us to an operating surplus, and he stays away from m
The Special Operation Warrior Foundation does great work.
You would be amazed at some of the mutants I've gotten to know over my
career, especially in the special operations community. Guys that are just
monsters, and still have crazy high IQs.
> -Original Message-
> From: Vivec [mailto
OK, that made me laugh
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm really, truly surprised at your retort, and as intelligent as you are, I
> expect 100% more from you.
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On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ChuckG wrote:
> > But I'd wager that a majority of the population are dumbfucks (yes, i
> have a
> > rosy outlook). They turn on whatever's convenient.
>
> So if the argument is that the public is too incompetent to vote t
again - I don't think not liking george bush makes you a liberal. I
know I can't stand to listen "the news" any more, on any channel.
Meanwhile there is this meme that CNN is "liberal" (the current Bad
Word). Wolf Blitzer and Lou Dobbs? Really?
I just find this to not jive with my own experience.
Well Id like to think that - but Ive never even hear of it. :(
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> But what you missed is that that Sumerian scribe was totally kick ass.
>
> So, really, Larry is saying you're super awesome.
>
> Right Larry?
>
>
~~
He only uses his thesauruses when he's insulting someone, which is
half of his posts. It makes him feel smart.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Scott Stroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can see by your gratuitous use of multi-syllabic words that someone must
> have refilled you stock of 'word a d
First, i did state "There's always exceptions." I know there are waivers. I
did my research.
Overall though, I'm very surprised at you. Your views lately are very very
narrow minded. And I'm a bit insulted. I'm not getting old. I've had this
view of children for the last 10 years, minimum. Got no
Every election the people that voted for the democrat try to spin the
results to look like they're smarter, better educated, wealthier,
nicer, prettier and XareX have bigger dicks.
Let's face it, ignorance is bliss. Nobody knows anything about Obama
and they hope he'll miraculously figure out how
> Eri-k-a wrote:
> I'm really, truly surprised at your retort, and as intelligent as you are, I
> expect 100% more from you.
>
>> You're getting old. The same complaint was made by some Summerian scribe
>> almost 4,000 years ago.
>>
But what you missed is that that Sumerian scribe was totally kick
> Scott wrote:
> I would be all for incentives for 'national service' (not really sure what
> that would be anyway)
A kick in the ass and the business end of a taser?
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> ChuckG wrote:
> But I'd wager that a majority of the population are dumbfucks (yes, i have a
> rosy outlook). They turn on whatever's convenient.
So if the argument is that the public is too incompetent to vote then
I'd be for an IQ test qualification to vote.
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yeah or even just minimum wage. Or less. I am pretty sure that when I
was in VISTA I was earning less than minimum wage.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I think it would be better to give incentives to do it than to make it
>>mandatory. I think national se
>I like it. I always respected how Israel required it of their children over
>the age of 18. 3 years for males, 2 for women. And I believe, as a whole,
>they have a very strong sense of country and responsibility. Overall.
>There's always exceptions.
Except if you belong to certain sects like the
>I think it would be better to give incentives to do it than to make it
>mandatory. I think national service of some kind is a good idea, but
>some kids may be ready at 15 and others at 19. It has to be useful
>service, otherwise it is merely bad custodial care for teenagers.
>
>I also like the ide
One of your fellow liberals, Larry, presented that link as proof that there
is no bias in the media, but it includes the following:
Excerpt:
"One surprise is the Wall Street Journal, which we find as the most liberal
of all 20 news outlets. We should first remind readers that this estimate
(as wel
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Chuck G wrote:
> > I'd say the former. If someone actually wanted to find sources biased in
> > the way they prefer, there's Fox News for the right and CNN for the left.
> >
> > How about you?
> >
>
> I have no problem fin
Kids are not adults by law and are not allowed to make decisions like that
on their own.
I would be all for incentives for 'national service' (not really sure what
that would be anyway), but not for making it mandatory.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sc
> Chuck G wrote:
> I'd say the former. If someone actually wanted to find sources biased in
> the way they prefer, there's Fox News for the right and CNN for the left.
>
> How about you?
>
I have no problem finding both unbiased news sources (The NewsHour,
Washington Week, KCRW's shows, et al) an
I'm looking but it will take me a while to look through this. I am at
work. But I personally do not agree. A couple of problems I see
already -- this is four years old and "liberal" is defined as "not
liking George Bush." But that's just the intro -- I'll see if it gets
better. Presumably it does i
> Scott wrote:
> I don't like the government mandating what I do with my 'free' time.
>
So should kids not be required to go to school then?
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I think it would be better to give incentives to do it than to make it
mandatory. I think national service of some kind is a good idea, but
some kids may be ready at 15 and others at 19. It has to be useful
service, otherwise it is merely bad custodial care for teenagers.
I also like the idea of m
Let's not go from one extreme to another
-Original Message-
From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:19 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Thoughts on national service
> Jer wrote:
> "What do people think about the idea of mandatory national service?"
>
I don't like the government mandating what I do with my 'free' time.
Seems more like servitude than anythign else if its mandatory.
Also, its not patriotic if its mandatory.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Obama is proposing a pretty broad program of n
I like it. I always respected how Israel required it of their children over
the age of 18. 3 years for males, 2 for women. And I believe, as a whole,
they have a very strong sense of country and responsibility. Overall.
There's always exceptions.
Something to that effect would work, especially aft
My point is that you got all righteous when I used the term 'tree hugger'
and jumped all over me for trying to 'demonize' people and make them seem
'less human'. However, you have no problem throwing 'demonizing' terms
around when it suits you.
Let's take 'tin foil hat jockey'. While directed at
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ChuckG wrote:
> > 'cept back in another thread, Larry was kind enough to link to a study
> that
> > proved (and it's proof if it's a true study, right?) that the mainstream
> > media demonstrates a liberal bias.
>
> So you
> Jer wrote:
> "What do people think about the idea of mandatory national service?"
>
> I don't like the idea of the Federal Gov't mandating any type of service for
> law-abiding citizens. Also, I wonder how close this comes to violating the
> 13th Amendment, which prohibits involuntary servitude.
> ChuckG wrote:
> 'cept back in another thread, Larry was kind enough to link to a study that
> proved (and it's proof if it's a true study, right?) that the mainstream
> media demonstrates a liberal bias.
So you would say then that you have a difficult time finding unbiased
news and information s
Does anyone have a link to model numbers of processors that support 64 bit
(prefer Intel but if you have AMD that's good too) I see lots of google and
Wikipedia stuff that some newer Xeon, Core 2, Pentium D, etc have 64 bit
support but it doesn't give me a list of model numbers so I know what
proce
http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/polisci/faculty/groseclose/Media.Bias.8.htm
>From the "ABC Opinion Piece: Bias in the Media" thread
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 5:54 AM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> link please ;)
>
> On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 2:26 AM, Charlie Griefer
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On S
>I find the term 'genius' as you have used it hear is serves to demonize the
>person and make them seem less human.
>
>For someone who complains about name calling, you sure do your fair share of
>it.
Nope. Aside from your pathetic attempt at imitation the meaning was clear.
Besides I don't have
i'm trying, I am trying.
lol
:)
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bah...Sam just has different views and opinions. And I for one am glad
> he does.
>
> There is vitriol spewed on both sides of these discussions.
> I'd like to bet that vitriol sometimes preve
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