WE dont like our evil to be banal.
If anyone deserves blame, it was promiscuous, sinister-looking
lowlifes like Lynddie England, Charles Graner and the other grunts
Judge Bybees résumé tells us that he has four children and is both a
Cubmaster for the Boy Scouts and a youth baseball and baske
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 9:36 PM, denstar wrote:
> I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen and heard it with my own eyes.
Don't ask me how I heard it with my eyes, but I did.
Some crazy drugs I was on... only logical (or is that plausible)
explanation for the last near-decade or so.
--
It
> Scott wrote:
> You feel torture is morally repugnant yet would be willing to kill someone
> who committed the act. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.
NOT prosecuting is hypocritical.
You are either a principled moral nation or you are not. You either
enforce the law or you do not.
The severity
> On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, April 25, 2009, denstar wrote:
...
>> "If you vote the other guy, you will die"
...
> Are you trying to say that you were threatened if you did not vote for
> Bush? I voted for Kerry and never got such a threat
I wouldn't hav
Are you trying to say that you were threatened if you did not vote for
Bush? I voted for Kerry and never got such a threat
On Saturday, April 25, 2009, denstar wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>>
>> Really? The how did he spend 8 years in the White House? I'll adm
Yep. Mine was white, and my sis reminded me that it was actually a 1963.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Robert Munn wrote:
>
> Something like this?
>
> http://americandreamcars.com/1962pontiaccnvt072803.htm
>
> Cool car, that must have been a lot of fun.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 11:55 P
You feel torture is morally repugnant yet would be willing to kill someone
who committed the act. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.
That being said, I'd go along with the idea, but would prefer jail time over
death penalty - unless the torture resulted in the death of the torturee.
However, on the
Let's assume that what you are inferring actaully did happen. If the
American voters thought Bush was that bad, it still should not have mattered
- the race should not have been that close.
Once again...I put the blame for the last 4 years of W's presidency squarely
on the shoulders of 1) the Ame
>Damn, that is fast. I especially like the upload speed. Is there a cap on
>total transfers? I think my TW Business Class is unlimited, but the upstream
>is relatively slow, and they have somewhat regular hiccups in service, which
>is highly annoying. Their stupid modem also has this problem where
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> Really? The how did he spend 8 years in the White House? I'll admit he may
> not have legitimately won in 2000, but how do you explain 2004? I can sum
> that up in 2 words - John Kerry.
What about these 9 words?
"If you vote the other guy
Nothing really to worry about. They've already have pegged the DNA so a vaccine
isn't too far behind. Besides its not all that serious, yet.
>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090425/ap_on_he_me/med_swine_flu
>
>It's influenza...no cure...no treatment.
>Either your body
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090425/ap_on_he_me/med_swine_flu
>
> It's influenza...no cure...no treatment.
> Either your body is strong enough to survive, or you die.
>
> Experts say it may already be too late to
I never agreed to the 'punishable by death' part ;)
On Saturday, April 25, 2009, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
>> Bruce wrote:
>>
>> Mildly entertaining at best. But I am a big fan of water boarding, or
>> any technique to get the enemy to talk.
>
> Well my new position, which Scott helped me form yesterd
"Ratification of the Convention by the United States will clearly
express United States opposition to torture, an abhorrent practice
unfortunately still prevalent in the world today.
The core provisions of the Convention establish a regime for
international cooperation in the criminal prosecution
> Judah wrote:
>
> Looks like the West Coast is awesome, everywhere else is okish. Not
> too bad a little over $50 a month. I've got internet and the basicest
> of cable. I think I get broadcast channels, community access and
> Versus (go hockey!)
>
Ha, I bet you have the same package we do. We
I have Comcast Cable as well. Best I can get is 16.52 to San
Francisco, which is the closest server to me. Anything else is less
than 5.
Wonder if the delay is the wireless between me and the router.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> Comcast Cable at home, CAT 5, 100 MB
Comcast Cable at home, CAT 5, 100 MBpbs to a router and then to cable modem:
Portland to San Jose: 31.8 Mb/s down, 9.0 up
http://www.speedtest.net/result/460231987.png
Seattle: 31.3 down, 6.9 up
http://www.speedtest.net/result/460232372.png
Los Angeles: 30.2 down, 7.4 up
http://www.speedtest.ne
The UN is useless. All they are going to do is talk sternly to us and
tell us not to do it again
On Saturday, April 25, 2009, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> Manfred Nowak, who serves as a U.N. special rapporteur in Geneva, said
> Washington is obligated under the U.N. Convention against Torture to
> pros
When I was in Iraq leading an interrogation team hunting Abu Musab
al-Zarqawi, the former leader of al-Qaeda, we experienced failures.
The highly skilled soldiers that my task force sent out to capture and
kill terrorists based on my teams information sometimes failed. And,
occasionally, pilots
Manfred Nowak, who serves as a U.N. special rapporteur in Geneva, said
Washington is obligated under the U.N. Convention against Torture to
prosecute U.S. Justice Department officials who wrote memos that
defined torture in the narrowest way in order to justify and
legitimize it, and who assured C
> LL wrote:
>
> Interesting indeed. A question about that, how many other households on your
> cable node? And how many of those were on the internet at the time.
>
> Also what's the total cost, I was including TV, internet and phone in the
> $110.
>
We pay $60+ (like 64.60 or something I guess
> GG wrote:
> * As to the past 8 years, anyone who engaged in torture - or
> ordered/approved it's use, should be punished to the full extent of
> the law as it was written at the time of the offenses.
>
oh, and that means both nationally and internationally.
The US should try Rummy and then he
> RoMunn wrote:
> That's the Vietnam case. Discharge from the Army was the punishment.
>
What is your argument Robert?
Are you making a sentencing argument? Are you saying torture should
be legal? Quasi-legal? Illegal with little punishment?
What is your position?
Mine is simple:
* Going f
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Larrywrote:
>
> "The soldier who participated in water torture in January 1968 was
> court-martialed within one month after the photos appeared in The Washington
> Post, and he was drummed out of the Army," recounted Darius Rejali, a
> political science professor
> Bruce wrote:
>
> Mildly entertaining at best. But I am a big fan of water boarding, or
> any technique to get the enemy to talk.
Well my new position, which Scott helped me form yesterday, is you
should feel free to do what you think is necessary to protect the
country.
Personally I side with
> LL wrote:
> By your logic then it, torture, ethnic cleansing and genocide would be OK as
> long as its done by our people. And if its done by a declared enemy, execute
> the bastard.
> However the Japanese were supposedly tried for war crimes. Not for being an
> enemy. Moreover these crimes a
A did not think of it that way. I was not trying to be an ass... I
was thinking that 'illegal' in this case was civillian illegal. My
bad.
I wonder why you always feel the need to attack/belittle those who do
not belind the same things you do.
On Saturday, April 25, 2009, Larry Lyons wrote:
>My favorite car I've owned was my 1984 Pontiac Fiero. Felt like
>driving a really fast go-kart!
A friend of mine dropped in a shortblock 8 cylinder into Fiero. Scariest car I
ever drove, much much too fast for what it was. But with its low center of
gravity, it was a very fun car to drive.
>Since when do US generals have the authority to designate something as
>illegal?
>
Just a tiny insignificant thing called the Military Code of Justice. Perhaps
you think like Bush said about the constitution, its just a piece of paper.
~
Hey, the motto was "We build excitement" and what's more exciting than
being on the verge of death?
On Apr 25, 2009, at 12:59 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> In my EMS days I used to call the Fiero. 'deathbox''.
>
> I honestly do not think I have ever driven/ridden in a Pontiac.
>
> On Saturday, Ap
In my EMS days I used to call the Fiero. 'deathbox''.
I honestly do not think I have ever driven/ridden in a Pontiac.
On Saturday, April 25, 2009, Zaphod Beeblebrox
wrote:
>
> My favorite car I've owned was my 1984 Pontiac Fiero. Felt like
> driving a really fast go-kart!
>
>
> On Apr 25, 2009
My favorite car I've owned was my 1984 Pontiac Fiero. Felt like
driving a really fast go-kart!
On Apr 25, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Casey Dougall wrote:
>
> On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 2:55 AM, Maureen
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm really bummed about this. My first car was a 1962 Pontiac
>> Tempest
>> co
apparently you think it's ok if it's American doing it? Why would
citizenship make a diffence in a discussion of morality?
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Gruss wrote:
>
>>
>> > RoMunn wrote:
>> > I think we should follow historical pr
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 5:48 PM, denstar wrote:
>
>>
>> You sure choose weird times to put your faith in the government.
>>
>
> Ha, I have no faith that Congress will actually do what I suggested.
Ah. So you're going to abdicate your mora
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 2:09 AM, Bruce Sorge wrote:
>
> Mildly entertaining at best. But I am a big fan of water boarding, or
> any technique to get the enemy to talk.
Even subjecting them to Vogon Poetry?!?!
Oh, the humanities!
--
Another occupation might have been better.
F. H. Bradley
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Larry Lyons wrote:
>
>
> Additionally you don't have to go back a century for precident, rather in
> the Vietname war personnel were court marshaled over a waterboarding
> incident:
> "Water boarding was designated as illegal by U.S. generals in Vietnam 40
> yea
Ok, thought about it. And your point is what exactly?
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Casey Dougall <
ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
>
> >
> > Ah yes, i'm sure that 2 million will ease the pain of having the wrong
> leg
> > ampu
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090425/ap_on_he_me/med_swine_flu
It's influenza...no cure...no treatment.
Either your body is strong enough to survive, or you die.
Experts say it may already be too late to prevent a spread to the US.
*twitch*
*twitch*
*lower lip trembles*
..
...
AIEEE
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 2:55 AM, Maureen wrote:
>
> I'm really bummed about this. My first car was a 1962 Pontiac Tempest
> convertible. It didn't run very well, and the transmission died on
> numerous occasions, but I sure felt special cruising around with the
> top down.
While it wasn't a
Interesting indeed. A question about that, how many other households on your
cable node? And how many of those were on the internet at the time.
Also what's the total cost, I was including TV, internet and phone in the $110.
The slowest speed I found was from Eagle River Alaska
http://www.spee
>You don't seem to understand precedent. The Japanese soldiers were enemies..
>In an actual trial, good lawyers would say that courts may only consider the
>cases of other US personnel who were charged with committing similar crimes
>while carrying out their duties. That leaves the Spanish-America
In this morning's paper there was a very interesting editorial from the Post on
torture. Basically it quoted several interrogation experts who were against
torture and told the Bush administration what they thought about it. Their
objections were repeatedly ignored.
http://tinyurl.com/tortureE
Mildly entertaining at best. But I am a big fan of water boarding, or
any technique to get the enemy to talk.
Gruss Gott wrote:
> http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=225138&title=take-your-child-to-work-day
>
>
~~~
Something like this?
http://americandreamcars.com/1962pontiaccnvt072803.htm
Cool car, that must have been a lot of fun.
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Maureen wrote:
>
> I'm really bummed about this. My first car was a 1962 Pontiac Tempest
> convertible. It didn't run very well, and the
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