Re: I'm a dad!!!!

2009-10-07 Thread Ian Skinner
On 10/7/2009 7:19 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > Congrats Paul. My daughter was in the NICU for 48 hours and had a > antibiotic drip going into the vein in her head. Looked awful and > freaked me out. She really didn't notice. And then they took her off > and she was right as rain. Hardly been sick in

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > > He's shockingly wrong, since Obama claimed he was born in two > different hospitals and neither was on a reservation. > Mmm ... nope, he's right: Bama was born in an Indian reservation in the middle of natural park. The trick is that because his mom was from *west* Kansas and NO

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
He's shockingly wrong, since Obama claimed he was born in two different hospitals and neither was on a reservation. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > >> Sam wrote: >> Now you're calling him a liar? >> > > I'm just reporting what I hear are the facts. > > I heard them from this

Re: Eat it, Minnesota!

2009-10-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> Rick wrote: > > nuff said > Yeah, the highest paid team in the league beat the team left-for-dead that played 12 innings last night and then got on a 3am flight. (ps - if any of that isn't true it's because I don't know anything about sports, but you get my point. It's like the time my high s

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > Now you're calling him a liar? > I'm just reporting what I hear are the facts. I heard them from this guy: http://tinyurl.com/y8o9tbu He's a presidential birth record scholar, a tellicherry pepper sorter, and a neonatologist. So he'd know. ~~

Eat it, Minnesota!

2009-10-07 Thread Rick Root
nuff said ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:305332 Subscriptio

Re: I'm a dad!!!!

2009-10-07 Thread Judah McAuley
Congrats Paul. My daughter was in the NICU for 48 hours and had a antibiotic drip going into the vein in her head. Looked awful and freaked me out. She really didn't notice. And then they took her off and she was right as rain. Hardly been sick in the almost 3(!) years since. Brightest, funnest, c

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
Now you're calling him a liar? On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > >> Sam wrote: >> Are you calling Obama a liar? >> > > Obama was actually born on an Indian reservation in Hawaii.  Which > just happened to be in the middle of a national park. > > Not so odd. > > really. > > When

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
Flaunting ignorance is not your best feature :P On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Rick Root wrote: > > The fact that Kenya considered Barack Obama to be a citizen of Kenya, > or that the U.K. considered him to be a citizen of the U.K., is not > relevant to his citizenship status as a United States

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
No Shit Sherlock :) Obama himself claimed to be a British Subject when he was born, not a British Citizen. Being a British Subject his citizenship was governed by Britain. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Dana wrote: > > no. Just telling you. > > A "British subject whose citizenship status was g

Re: I'm a dad!!!!

2009-10-07 Thread Paul Ihrig
thanks every body. just gonna repost my message from FB, since i havnt slept yet and am slighy numb.. - went back to hosptial, after quick clean up. there i went to nicu and touched/spoke with my daughter for the first time, and broke down.. many pats and hugs from nurses, guess this may be n

Re: Need software recommendation: SQL Recovery Tool

2009-10-07 Thread Maureen
I've had pretty good luck with Steller Phoenix http://www.mssqldatabaserecovery.com/ On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:25 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote: > > Currently we have no tools on-hand to deal with an issue like this. > Restoring *this* database is not an option because of the sheer amount > of man

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > Are you calling Obama a liar? > Obama was actually born on an Indian reservation in Hawaii. Which just happened to be in the middle of a national park. Not so odd. really. When you think about it. ~| Want to r

Re: I'm a dad!!!!

2009-10-07 Thread Maureen
Congrats. As the mom of two premmies, I'll send you an extra helping of prayer and energy. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:03 AM, Paul Ihrig wrote: > > After a very long emergency/forced induction > starting yesterday at 8 am > Michelle delivers our daughter at 6:57 am today. She weighs in at 3 > lbs

Re: I'm a dad!!!!

2009-10-07 Thread Robert Munn
Making you crazy already, and she's not even dating yet! Congrats man, kids are the best. On 10/7/09, Paul Ihrig wrote: > > After a very long emergency/forced induction > starting yesterday at 8 am > Michelle delivers our daughter at 6:57 am today. She weighs in at 3 > lbs 11 oz. And will have a

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Rick Root
The fact that Kenya considered Barack Obama to be a citizen of Kenya, or that the U.K. considered him to be a citizen of the U.K., is not relevant to his citizenship status as a United States Citizen. The U.S. government does not care, unless you become a citizen of a country that requires you to

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Dana
no. Just telling you. A "British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948" is *NOT* a British citizen. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Sam wrote: > > Are you calling Obama a liar? > > http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate > >“When

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
Are you calling Obama a liar? http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate “When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose c

Re: After you're done at MAX, come to CFinNC!

2009-10-07 Thread Larry C. Lyons
BTW aside from the obvious here, how many others will be attending CFinNC? FWIW I decided to drive down. I suddenly have a few extra days to spend. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Rick Root wrote: > > I don't think John Mayer will be there, but Adam Lehman will! > > http://www.cfinnc.com > > Ri

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Dana
well that says all *I* need to hear. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Sam wrote: > > yep > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Dana wrote: > > > > um no. Did are you really going to argue with me about my own > citizenship? > > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Sam wrote: > > > >> > >> Before

RE: CF9 is out!

2009-10-07 Thread Scott Raley
Want me to come down south and fixer upper your puter? -Original Message- From: Erika L. Rich [mailto:elr...@ruwebby.com] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 12:54 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: CF9 is out! Eh. Blah. Who cares. :) I still use CFStudio. Those IDE's are all such memory ho

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
This is how it was defined when McCain's status was in question. http://www.michiganlawreview.org/assets/pdfs/FirstImpressions/107-FI/solum.pdf There is general agreement on the core of its meaning. Anyone born on American soil whose parents are citizens of the United States is a “natural born c

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
yep On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Dana wrote: > > um no. Did are you really going to argue with me about my own citizenship? > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Sam wrote: > >> >> Before 1983 British subjects transferred status to their children. >> making Obama a British Subject now known a

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Rick Root
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Sam wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Rick Root wrote: >> >> Actually, the law Sam is citing applies only to children born abroad >> when only one parent is a U.S. Citizen. > > Nope, it applies to people born in the US where one parent is not a citizen.

Google Powermeter, and TED 5000

2009-10-07 Thread Jerry Johnson
Yeah, baby. http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/10/google-powermeters-first-device-partner.html Love it. I am going to look at this tonight, and if it is easy to install, I am ordering one tonight. ~| Want to reach the ColdFus

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Dana
no it doesn't, Sam. If you were born in the US you are a citizen, period. Ask Rick. He doesn't like it but he does know it's the law. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Sam wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Rick Root wrote: > > > > Actually, the law Sam is citing applies only to childr

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Dana
it's for citizenship at birth. WHat the hell else would "natural-born citizen" mean? They meant to exclude anyone not born in the Unites States, to my understanding. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Sam wrote: > > That's citizenship, not Natural Born Citizenship. > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Dana
well no, that's not true either, or I would not have a British passport. The key point is whether the parent was born in Britain. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Not quite its not that glibly easy - speaking as someone who had a > British mother. Moreover British citiz

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Dana
um no. Did are you really going to argue with me about my own citizenship? On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Sam wrote: > > Before 1983 British subjects transferred status to their children. > making Obama a British Subject now known as Commonwealth citizen. > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Re: After you're done at MAX, come to CFinNC!

2009-10-07 Thread Dana
is that a warning?? It does not make *me* want to attend. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Rick Root wrote: > > I don't think John Mayer will be there, but Adam Lehman will! > > http://www.cfinnc.com > > Rick > > ~| Want to r

Re: more MAX fun

2009-10-07 Thread Dana
I don't know if the recording picked it up, but the remark got a huge laugh and a round of applause On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Rick Root wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Dana wrote: > >> > >> http://max.adobe.com/johnmayer/ > > > I watched this the other day.. and I didn't no

Re: more MAX fun

2009-10-07 Thread Vivec
NoooI'm talking about OUR photos :-) Those are just..corporate stuff. I meant photos from the list members and such... There should be a thread with it called Max Happenings or something like that. 2009/10/7 Casey Dougall > > http://max.adobe.com/resources/ > > ~

Re: more MAX fun

2009-10-07 Thread Casey Dougall
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Vivec wrote: > > Why don't we have a twitter stream ...and pics and so forth from those list > members that are there :-) > > > Maybe in here? http://max.adobe.com/resources/ ~| Want to reach t

Re: more MAX fun

2009-10-07 Thread Vivec
Why don't we have a twitter stream ...and pics and so forth from those list members that are there :-) ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archi

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
The question was, if he was born in Hawaii as a British Subject as well as US citizenship because of being born on soil still disqualifies him from Natural Born Status. You must have no other allegiances. If his mother was 19 and eligible to confer citizenship he would have passed both soil and i

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
That's citizenship, not Natural Born Citizenship. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Dana wrote: > > -- > > INA: ACT 301 - NATIONALS AND CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES AT BIRTH > > > Sec. 301. [8 U.S.C. 1401] The following shall be nationals and citizens of > the United

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
He a wasn't natural born citizen IF his mother wasn't eligible to override his fathers nationality. Your argument is anyone born in the US is eligible. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Sandra Clark wrote: > > Yeah and your point?  The Birther's entire argument is that he was born > outside the U

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Rick Root wrote: > > Actually, the law Sam is citing applies only to children born abroad > when only one parent is a U.S. Citizen. Nope, it applies to people born in the US where one parent is not a citizen. > If Barack Obama were born abroad, it might well app

Re: more MAX fun

2009-10-07 Thread Casey Dougall
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Rick Root wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Dana wrote: > >> > >> http://max.adobe.com/johnmayer/ > > > I watched this the other day.. and I didn't notice before.. but John > Mayer must look at his own fan message boards, because what he > described, p

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sandra Clark
Yeah and your point? The Birther's entire argument is that he was born outside the US. If he was born in the US to an American Citizen (regardless of age), then he is a US Citizen. Which one is it? On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Sam wrote: > > That's for birth abroad. > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
That's for birth abroad. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Sandra Clark wrote: > > "Children Born out of Wedlock > > 1.  Born to a U.S. citizen mother > > The U.S. citizen mother must have been physically present in the United > States for a continuous period of at least one year before the child

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Not quite its not that glibly easy - speaking as someone who had a British mother. Moreover British citizenship, when born overseas even to a British citizen not automatic in any case. You still lose it at majority unless you have applied to have it renewed. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Sam w

Re: more MAX fun

2009-10-07 Thread Rick Root
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Dana wrote: >> >> http://max.adobe.com/johnmayer/ I watched this the other day.. and I didn't notice before.. but John Mayer must look at his own fan message boards, because what he described, particularly "making fun of each others grammar" is exactly what hap

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
Before 1983 British subjects transferred status to their children. making Obama a British Subject now known as Commonwealth citizen. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Dana wrote: > > yes but his father was not a british citizen; he was a British national > ~~

After you're done at MAX, come to CFinNC!

2009-10-07 Thread Rick Root
I don't think John Mayer will be there, but Adam Lehman will! http://www.cfinnc.com Rick ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://w

Re: more MAX fun

2009-10-07 Thread Rick Root
he really made kevin look very short. John Mayer must be taller than I remember. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Dana wrote: > > http://max.adobe.com/johnmayer/ > ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they

more MAX fun

2009-10-07 Thread Dana
http://max.adobe.com/johnmayer/ ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messa

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sandra Clark
Also pointing out that since apparently her "husband" was married to someone else at the time, she really wasn't married and Obama was "born out of wedlock" On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Sandra Clark wrote: > "Children Born out of Wedlock > > 1. Born to a U.S. citizen mother > > The U.S. cit

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Dana
-- INA: ACT 301 - NATIONALS AND CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES AT BIRTH Sec. 301. [8 U.S.C. 1401] The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: (a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof; (b) a pers

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Rick Root
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > Sam wrote: >> Being most people have dads your argument sucks :P > > And it is not uncommon, even today for *both* parents to be under the > age of 19. > > So are you agreeing that every child born to a High School age couple in > the U.S. is

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sandra Clark
"Children Born out of Wedlock 1. Born to a U.S. citizen mother The U.S. citizen mother must have been physically present in the United States for a continuous period of at least one year before the child's birth. This period of presence may have been at any time before this child's birth. If th

Re: I just want to say

2009-10-07 Thread G Money
That's how I read it...i was getting ready to ask what Ben had done that was worthy of a lynching?! On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > I was talking on the potential interpretation of "Hang Forta in 2012" > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Larry C. Lyons > wrote: > >

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Dana
Sam: http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/executivebios/kevinlynch.html it doesn't say he was born in the US. I suggest you ask why not ;) On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Sam wrote: > > Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (McCarran-Walter Act) > > If only one parent is a U.S. citi

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
Let him show it. Why spend $1 million to hide the docs? On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > you may also want to look at sections 15 thorugh 20. They define when > the citizenship is no longer in effect. Since obama did not declare > either British or Kenyan citizenship b

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
Doesn't matter. He was born with dual citizenship which gives him loyalty to another nation, the whole purpose of adding Natural Born to the constitution. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Nope unless he actively applied for the citizenship within 2 years of > turning 2

Re: I just want to say

2009-10-07 Thread Dana
that's the way I read it but now I am not sure. I wonder. I suppose it's somebody in the community pavilion; the Adobe PR people don't seem to know. They did however have a red button saying "flasher," which I proudly accepted. I will go see if I can find out when I finish this coffee. On Wed, O

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (McCarran-Walter Act) If only one parent is a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 14. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Ian Ski

Re: I just want to say

2009-10-07 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I was talking on the potential interpretation of "Hang Forta in 2012" On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > I didn't think they were eligible, not being natural born citizens... > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Michael Dinowitz > wrote: >> >> Is that a presidential ticket

Re: I just want to say

2009-10-07 Thread Dana
Lynch is not a citizen? On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > I didn't think they were eligible, not being natural born citizens... > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Michael Dinowitz > wrote: > > > > Is that a presidential ticket or a threat? > > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 a

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Dana
yes but his father was not a british citizen; he was a British national On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Sam wrote: > > British Nationality Act, 1948 > > 5.—(1) Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after > the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdo

Re: I just want to say

2009-10-07 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I didn't think they were eligible, not being natural born citizens... On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > Is that a presidential ticket or a threat? > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Dana wrote: >> >> Kudos to whoever is distributing the "Lynch Forta in 2012" buttons.

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Larry C. Lyons
you may also want to look at sections 15 thorugh 20. They define when the citizenship is no longer in effect. Since obama did not declare either British or Kenyan citizenship by age 23, he isn't a citizen of either country, only of the US. Face it Sam there is so much evidence that shows Obama is

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Nope unless he actively applied for the citizenship within 2 years of turning 21 then he automatically lost the Kenyan citizenship. Its in the same link you cited. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Sam wrote: > > FactCheck admitted he was born with dual citizenship. They think since > one expired

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Ian Skinner
Sam wrote: > Being most people have dads your argument sucks :P And it is not uncommon, even today for *both* parents to be under the age of 19. So are you agreeing that every child born to a High School age couple in the U.S. is not a natural born citizen? Because that would be a few thousa

Re: I just want to say

2009-10-07 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Is that a presidential ticket or a threat? On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Dana wrote: > > Kudos to whoever is distributing the "Lynch Forta in 2012" buttons. I also > think I saw a t-shirt with a much shot of Keven Lynch last night -- who is > giving those away? > > >

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
British Nationality Act, 1948 5.—(1) Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth: On Wed, Oct

I just want to say

2009-10-07 Thread Dana
Kudos to whoever is distributing the "Lynch Forta in 2012" buttons. I also think I saw a t-shirt with a much shot of Keven Lynch last night -- who is giving those away? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something th

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Dana
ok that's it, I am out of here. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Sam wrote: > > Wow, facts totally fock you up don't they. > At least one parent has to be over 18 for you to be a Natural Born Citizen. > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Rick Root wrote: > > > > What law? That would make ev

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Dana
Citizen of Kenya is not the same as citizen of Britain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nationality_law#Classes_of_British_nationality To use myself again, I don't give my kids British citizenship. I do give them Canadian. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Sam wrote: > > FactCheck admitte

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
Being most people have dads your argument sucks :P On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > So no child born to a mother under the age of 19 can ever be president? > > That would be an interesting study of all our presidents, because > knowing that people had children at generally

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
Wow, facts totally fock you up don't they. At least one parent has to be over 18 for you to be a Natural Born Citizen. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Rick Root wrote: > > What law?  That would make everyone born in the united states to a > person under the age of 18 NOT a citizen. > > It's ce

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
FactCheck admitted he was born with dual citizenship. They think since one expired he's now eligible. http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Dana wrote: > > that is a concept called patriality. It does not pass on to

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Ian Skinner
Sam wrote: > Again: > You have to be a citizen living in the US for ten years, 5 of them > after 14 years of age. She was 18 when he was born. So no child born to a mother under the age of 19 can ever be president? That would be an interesting study of all our presidents, because knowing that p

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Rick Root
What law? That would make everyone born in the united states to a person under the age of 18 NOT a citizen. It's certainly not in the 14th amendment. Are you birthers also arguing that Obama was not born in the United States? What a bunch of fucking wackos. Offense intended. Rick ~~

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Dana
to what? give birth to a president? You're making this crap up. Gotta go, the session on Flash Collaboration Service is way more interesting. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Sam wrote: > > Again: > You have to be a citizen living in the US for ten years, 5 of them > after 14 years of age. She

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Dana
that is a concept called patriality. It does not pass on to children. Look it up. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Sam wrote: > > Kenya was a British Colony in 1961. > Try to bring correct facts next time :P > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Dana wrote: > > > > not necessarily. First of a

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
Again: You have to be a citizen living in the US for ten years, 5 of them after 14 years of age. She was 18 when he was born. let me add this to be clearer: To confer citizenship... It was the law at the time, I didn't write it. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Dana wrote: > > um she was born

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
Kenya was a British Colony in 1961. Try to bring correct facts next time :P On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Dana wrote: > > not necessarily. First of all, I don't actually know that his dad had a > British passport, but if he did and was not born in Britain, that would not > make his son Briti

Re: I'm a dad!!!!

2009-10-07 Thread Dana
congratulations and good for you for staying. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:03 AM, Paul Ihrig wrote: > > After a very long emergency/forced induction > starting yesterday at 8 am > Michelle delivers our daughter at 6:57 am today. She weighs in at 3 > lbs 11 oz. And will have a name by sunset Thi

Re: I'm a dad!!!!

2009-10-07 Thread Bruce Sorge
Congrats man > On 10/7/09, Paul Ihrig wrote: > >> After a very long emergency/forced induction >> starting yesterday at 8 am >> Michelle delivers our daughter at 6:57 am today. She weighs in at 3 >> lbs 11 oz. And will have a name by sunset Things got real hairy >> around six am. I suprise

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Dana
um she was born in the US correct? Then she was a US citizen starting at birth. OMG ;) On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Sam wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Rick Root wrote: > > > > What does THIS mean? She was a U.S. Citizen, was she not? Where does > > it say there are age restr

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Dana
not necessarily. First of all, I don't actually know that his dad had a British passport, but if he did and was not born in Britain, that would not make his son British. My British father makes me a British citizen because he was born in Scotland. My British passport does not make my kids British

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
Comparing != blaming. But you knew that. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > why not you spent most of the bush administration defending shrub by > blaming Clinton. > ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion commu

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Rick Root wrote: > > What does THIS mean?  She was a U.S. Citizen, was she not?  Where does > it say there are age restrictions on "transferring citizenship"? You have to be a citizen living in the US for ten years, 5 of them after 14 years of age. She was 18 whe

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Larry C. Lyons
why not you spent most of the bush administration defending shrub by blaming Clinton. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Sam wrote: > > There's going to be a time in your life when you can't defend Obama by > blaming Bush. > Actually I think that time passed. > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 9:48 AM, d

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Rick Root
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Sam wrote: > > Not in Obama's case. His mom would have been too young to transfer > citizenship. What does THIS mean? She was a U.S. Citizen, was she not? Where does it say there are age restrictions on "transferring citizenship"? I guess I'm not stunned to fi

RE: I'm a dad!!!!

2009-10-07 Thread Scott Stewart
Paul, that's awesome... Here's to a speedy recovery for Mom and Baby... Daughters are pretty damn cool... -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:r...@raychampagne.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:17 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: I'm a dad Congratulations Paul!

Re: I'm a dad!!!!

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
Congrats! On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:03 AM, Paul Ihrig wrote: > > After a very long emergency/forced induction > starting yesterday at 8 am > Michelle delivers our daughter at 6:57 am today. She weighs in at 3 > lbs 11 oz. And will have a name by sunset Things got real hairy > around six am. I

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
We know he's a citizen, the question is was he a natural born citizen. They're saying they don't have to impeach him because he's not legally president. He's claiming it's too late to question him and invoking presidential powers. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Michael Grant wrote: > > So if

Re: I'm a dad!!!!

2009-10-07 Thread Casey Dougall
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > > JJ wrote: > > > > Please don't name her "Sunset". > > > > It's "By Sunset". Ha, I was thinking the same thing. > > Also don't forget this one before figuring out a name. -- Can Initials Affect Life Span? By

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
There's going to be a time in your life when you can't defend Obama by blaming Bush. Actually I think that time passed. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 9:48 AM, denstar wrote: > > Even if it did, with how Bush 43 made Billions seem like Millions > well, money is funny. > > Ha ha ha *sigh* > ~~~

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
Have you no memory retention at all? On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Vivec wrote: > > *whispers to Rick* > yess...Sam is our very own Birther... > > *blink* > *blink* > 0_0 > ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with somet

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
Why was there a congressional investigation into McCain's being a natural born citizen yet we can't even be sure Obama was born in Hawaii. Only one state out of 57 plus states certified Obama as president. Obama has spent $1 million defending against the release of his birth certificate. On We

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread denstar
Even if it did, with how Bush 43 made Billions seem like Millions well, money is funny. Ha ha ha *sigh* -- Love is a sacred reserve of energy; it is like the blood of spiritual evolution. Teilhard de Chardin On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Michael Grant wrote: > > So if he turns out not t

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Vivec
*whispers to Rick* yess...Sam is our very own Birther... *blink* *blink* 0_0 2009/10/7 Sam > > That's like saying Kevin Jennings represents all Obama supporters. > ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something the

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
That's like saying Kevin Jennings represents all Obama supporters. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 6:48 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > I was wondering when someone would be bringing up implicit social > cognition. It woudl be far better if the writer could have presented > some research on the attitudes

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Michael Grant
So if he turns out not to be an American citizen does the U.S. government get all the bail-out money back? "Do over!" On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Sam wrote: > > Not in Obama's case. His mom would have been too young to transfer > citizenship. Plus, with dad having a British passport that w

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Sam
Not in Obama's case. His mom would have been too young to transfer citizenship. Plus, with dad having a British passport that would have given him dual citizenship. That right there is a disqualification. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 6:21 AM, Rick Root wrote: > > Of course, this is wrong too because "

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Larry C. Lyons
why should he? its a matter of privacy. He's already living in a bubble with effectively no privacy right now. why the point of trying to strip away the rest? On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > I don't give a damn about the birth certificate.  I would like to know why > non

Re: Birthers insanity explained - McCain was born in Panama btw.

2009-10-07 Thread Vivec
Why do those need to be released? Did George Bush, Ronald Reagan, or Bill Clinton release all those records? 2009/10/7 Jerry Barnes > > I don't give a damn about the birth certificate. I would like to know why > none of these documents have been released. > > > Columbia University transcripts

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