On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
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> It would seem to me that humans have a need to make sense out of
> something that appears senseless, and have to impose a pattern on
> randomness. That's why there are legends of giants wrestling and
Consider two observers of a sequence o
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey wrote:
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>>I mean no offence by this, but I'm curious. How does evolving from a
>>primordial ooze seem improbable yet a God creating it all, even including a
>>plan for evolution, seem somehow more probable?
> I do think most people, whether they a
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Sam wrote:
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> You're wrong.
>
> But being a wanna be is cool in his country.
Ah, sorry about that. My mistake. Here, let me rectify:
Sam, you're a sorry son of a bitch who is making a mockery of all that
America has ever hoped to stand for, you'd be a fascist i
You're wrong.
But being a wanna be is cool in his country.
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
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> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Sam wrote:
>> You find it easy to accuse me and others of screwing Americans and
>> wanting them to die in the street because we're selfish as
Mary Jo,
I have to say, you seem more spiritual than most people I would call
'Bible Thumpers', yet the way you have portrayed yourself and
eloquently stated your beliefs has been a breath of fresh air. We may
not see eye to eye on whether or not God exists, but I sure do like
the way you presen
That works, and quite fitting too.
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
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> how about stranger than most?
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
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>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey
>> wrote:
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>>> Probably not. I can't even seem to have a
>I mean no offence by this, but I'm curious. How does evolving from a
>primordial ooze seem improbable yet a God creating it all, even including a
>plan for evolution, seem somehow more probable?
Well, I don't personally consider either more or less improbable than the
other, given no other fact
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Sam wrote:
> You find it easy to accuse me and others of screwing Americans and
> wanting them to die in the street because we're selfish assholes. Yet
> we know nothing about how you treat your countrymen.
> I just think that's hysterical.
I'm pretty sure that i
Because it's not.
Here we go again...
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
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> What I don't understand, if universal health care works so badly then
> how come its so successful in Canada?
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> Larry wrote:
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> What I don't understand, if universal health care works so badly then
> how come its so successful in Canada?
>
It's not an either or thing and making it such is to give up: "gee the
health care market is tough to regulate so let's just chuck the whole
industry over the wall to
One was of looking at it is what is the bigger miracle? Making one
very slight change to the boundary conditions at the very beginning of
the big bang and that eventually results in a Christ, or a big flash
bang hollywood type miracle.
Being able to see all the consequences of that little change
It would seem to me that humans have a need to make sense out of
something that appears senseless, and have to impose a pattern on
randomness. That's why there are legends of giants wrestling and
causing earthquakes, or some old dude in the clouds throwing
lightening bolts. Over time it get elabor
> Larry wrote:
> If it were really true then consider the internet (private industry
> wants regulation, the government was the innovator). Also look at the
> land grant university system - again private industry for years was
> strongly against that government innovation.
>
Those are REALLY bad
how about stranger than most?
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
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> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey
> wrote:
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>> Probably not. I can't even seem to have a civil discussion with family
>> members on politics let alone strangers. It seems to be even more dogm
What I don't understand, if universal health care works so badly then
how come its so successful in Canada?
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
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> Troll level: Orange.
>
> Why so sensitive Sam?
>
> Please show me how you make the leap from "I'm against people dying" to "f
> th
I ought to know, my wife has relatives in West Virginia. They're
almost as bad as Newfies.
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
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> A valid point - sad, but valid.
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
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>> but around where you live, there are no branches in
> casey wrote:
> What started this thing we call the Big Bang, all that stuff is way more
> intriguing than how humans came into existence. God is a mute point UNLESS
> you believe he started that process which in turn created our universe,
It doesn't seem to me like God and the Big Bang are mutu
You really do jump to a lot of conclusions.
Maybe you're not a troll but a grasshopper?
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Sam wrote:
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> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
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> > You really are being a spoiled brat about this Sam.
>
> Dude, you're too sensitive. relax.
>
> >
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
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> You really are being a spoiled brat about this Sam.
Dude, you're too sensitive. relax.
> You have absolutely no problem mocking, bashing or dismissing any other
> country. Why are you so schizophrenically sensitive that you fly off the
>
You really are being a spoiled brat about this Sam.
You have absolutely no problem mocking, bashing or dismissing any other
country. Why are you so schizophrenically sensitive that you fly off the
handle if a non-American points out something the majority of America
already knows? You think no on
Just saying, you keep telling us what's best. Let's talk about how
your country saves the masses from the US type genocide.
Oh yeah, the troll won't even say what country he's from.
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
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> Troll level: Orange.
>
> Why so sensitive Sam?
>
> Ple
>
> Even though I accept evolution as a given, the development of what we see
> today from basically elemental constructs still boggles the mind at its
> improbability.
I mean no offence by this, but I'm curious. How does evolving from a
primordial ooze seem improbable yet a God creating it all,
Troll level: Orange.
Why so sensitive Sam?
Please show me how you make the leap from "I'm against people dying" to "f
the U.S."
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Sam wrote:
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> Maybe you an Gel need to tidy your own backyards and stop bitching about
> ours.
> Just a thought.
>
>
>
> On Tue,
Maybe you an Gel need to tidy your own backyards and stop bitching about ours.
Just a thought.
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
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> Well perhaps by association I am without knowing it. I'm for universal
> healthcare period. Will the "powers that be" in the U.S. distort and
Well perhaps by association I am without knowing it. I'm for universal
healthcare period. Will the "powers that be" in the U.S. distort and twist
it into a scam to make the rich richer and the poor poorer? Perhaps. I have
no idea if the U.S. can do it without it being a cockup, but that shouldn't
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Bruce Sorge wrote:
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> You are right, and since I am a tax payer, I am basically paying my own
> medical, which is why I do not see the need for my tax dollars to go
> towards yours as well.
Actually, the current public option plans being floated in the House
and
So you guys got the DVR set?
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You want to help the poor saps without healthcare? Tell the government
to stop pushing universal care and work on allowing jobs to be
created. Then the people that want it can buy it.
Your promoting a scam to make the dems and friends rich and everyone else poor.
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:36 PM,
>What started this thing we call the Big Bang, all that stuff is way more
>intriguing than how humans came into existence.
Really?? I find both intruiging but I guess since the bulk of my training is in
the biological/medical field I still find the workings of complex organisms
endlessly fasci
>
> You are right, and since I am a tax payer, I am basically paying my own
> medical, which is why I do not see the need for my tax dollars to go
> towards yours as well.
Well *your* tax dollars would be paying a fraction (a very small one) of
your medical. Millions of other Americans are picki
You are right, and since I am a tax payer, I am basically paying my own
medical, which is why I do not see the need for my tax dollars to go
towards yours as well.
Michael Grant wrote:
> You don't really get yours free Bruce. Taxpayers are footing the bill.
>
~~~
> (1.) Because people who aren't *religious* would like to influence
> those who are, or
That's certainly the case very often.
>
> (2.) Because people who *are* religious need a bump to their faith.
Well, I'm not sure I'd entirely agree with that. This would imply that faith
comes fist, but
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
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> You have to careful with the use of "theory" as you seem to be mixing
> the scientific use and the colloquial use.
>
> "theory" as in "theory of relativity" means a framework that is
> predictive and contains no exceptions. Exceptions then
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey wrote:
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> >Thanks for being up for the discussion. Cool how everyone's been decent
> and
> >whatnot. Think there's hope for politics? ;-)
>
> Probably not. I can't even seem to have a civil discussion with family
> members on politics let alon
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
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> The same is true with evolution: we may discover more precise
> frameworks, but evolution will remain a fact.
Regardless how long they've been at it, all the blind men in the room
describing the elephant are [or may be] stating facts, right
A valid point - sad, but valid.
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
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> but around where you live, there are no branches in the family trees,
> its one straight trunk.
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
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>>> Also, the government provides cheap public tr
but around where you live, there are no branches in the family trees,
its one straight trunk.
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
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>> Also, the government provides cheap public transportation, you don't need a
>> ferrari.
>
> Not where I live.
>
>
>
> --
> Scott Stroz
>
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey wrote:
> Probably not. I can't even seem to have a civil discussion with family
> members on politics let alone strangers. It seems to be even more dogmatic
> these days than religion is!
I am offended that you consider me a 'stranger'.
--
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>
> Sounds like something that would be in the Far Side. Boy, I miss that comic
> strip!
>
It is. If memory serves me correct the caption is something along the lines
of "just to make it interesting."
I miss that comic SOOO much. Could you imagine blazing or shrooming with
Gary Larson?
~~~
>Thanks for being up for the discussion. Cool how everyone's been decent and
>whatnot. Think there's hope for politics? ;-)
Probably not. I can't even seem to have a civil discussion with family members
on politics let alone strangers. It seems to be even more dogmatic these days
than religi
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Casey Dougall
wrote:
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> Getting hurt or become sick without health insurance could cost as much as a
> ferrari.
That should be a good incentive for you, yet you're waiting for uncle
Sammy to give it to you.
> Also, the government provides cheap public transport
> Also, the government provides cheap public transportation, you don't need a
> ferrari.
Not where I live.
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On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Sam wrote:
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> I say the same thing about that Ferrari I have my eye on. Think Obama
> can help me too?
>
>
Getting hurt or become sick without health insurance could cost as much as a
ferrari.
Also, the government provides cheap public transportation, you don'
Bush heard voices? Wouldn't surprise me.
He should hear the disembodied voices of 4000+ Americans every time he
closes his eyes...
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Sam wrote:
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> I think you're confusing faith with hearing voices.
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:54 AM, G Money wrote:
> >
> >
I say the same thing about that Ferrari I have my eye on. Think Obama
can help me too?
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Casey Dougall
wrote:
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> That's our tax dollars paying for your health insurance. (and yes I
> understand you are serving our country, this has nothing to do with that
> aspec
I said it was possible but never counted that money.
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
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> and you were one of them. You did shill that the Iraq war would pay
> for itself through oil revenues etc.
>
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I guess, I was thinking more in line with pay 4k a year or we'll
charge you 2k. So you get billed either way.
Technically a mandate but not like not having no auto insurance in NY.
As for the people that don't have insurance, I believe they don't
burden the system. They do pay when they need to mo
I think you're confusing faith with hearing voices.
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:54 AM, G Money wrote:
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> Boy, that statement about sums it all up, doesn't it.
>
> Sad partthere are a bunch of religious people in this country who read
> that statement and agree with him, who LIKED the fact th
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox
wrote:
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> From the "Get Motivated" seminar in Arlington, TX yesterday.
>
> "Every single day, I was honored to be your president by bringing
> honor and dignity to the office," he said. Bush also added later that
> his faith played a large rol
yeah, I *got* it... still trying to get over it ;)
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:51 AM, G Money wrote:
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> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Dana wrote:
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> >
> > sorry, can't hear you still trying to get over "honor and dignity"...
> >
>
> Apparently, you can engage in unnecessary wars and fl
don't you mean government? I though governance implies the power is shared
and the rules apply to all.
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
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> or even a clue.
>
> just goes to show what happens when you have a faith based governance.
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Micha
We know what happens.
This is the governance that these oppressive middle eastern countries have.
It is also the governance that much of Europe had in the Dark Ages, another
time of intense suffering and oppression at the hands of Catholicism.
Once you get into a situation where My invisible fri
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Dana wrote:
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> sorry, can't hear you still trying to get over "honor and dignity"...
>
Apparently, you can engage in unnecessary wars and flout constitutional law
with "honor and dignity".as long as yer not getting a BJ whilst doing
it.
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On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Michael Grant wrote:
> Or a braincell.
> Or a Gore.
> Or a hampster.
>
Gore has shown some.disturbing personality traits since his
controversial defeat in 2000. It's all guessing at this point, but I'm not
convinced he would have been that much better than B
or even a clue.
just goes to show what happens when you have a faith based governance.
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Michael Grant wrote:
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>>
>> How differently things might have been if instead "an almighty" would
>> have been replaced by "logic"
>>
> Or a braincell.
> Or a Gore.
> Or a h
sorry, can't hear you still trying to get over "honor and dignity"...
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> From the "Get Motivated" seminar in Arlington, TX yesterday.
>
> "Every single day, I was honored to be your president by bringi
>
> How differently things might have been if instead "an almighty" would
> have been replaced by "logic"
>
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Or a Gore.
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Boy, that statement about sums it all up, doesn't it.
Sad partthere are a bunch of religious people in this country who read
that statement and agree with him, who LIKED the fact that he let his faith,
not reason, guide some of his decisions.
I wonder what these same people would say if Bara
From the "Get Motivated" seminar in Arlington, TX yesterday.
"Every single day, I was honored to be your president by bringing
honor and dignity to the office," he said. Bush also added later that
his faith played a large role in guiding his decisions: "From a
personal perspective, I don't
nice bit of propaganda, but it isn't necessarily true. Look at all the
stuff coming out of the NIH and other government agencies. By law they
cannot fully exploit them and are forced to put it into the technology
transfer programs, so that private industry can take advantage.
I just get disgusted
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
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> > Government regulates, private industry innovates.
> >
>
> Nice bumper sticker.
>
> If it were really true then consider the internet (private industry
> wants regulation, the government was the innovator). Also look at the
> land grant
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Bruce Sorge wrote:
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> What people? I never thought it was going to be free.
> And besides, why do I have to pay for your free health care? I already
> get mind for free. Whats in this for me?
>
> Sam wrote:
> > Well, why do you need that trillion.
> >
> > Peopl
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 1:32 AM, Gruss Gott wrote:
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> However I also think having the government run any means of production
> is step 1 to the road to hell.
>
> Government regulates, private industry innovates.
>
Nice bumper sticker.
If it were really true then consider the internet (private
You do realize that 'free' does not mean no one pays for it, right?
I think he meant its free to him. I would disagree, though. He may not
pay any money for it, but he paid for it, by putting his ass in harm's
way in Iraq. That, to me, is a debt that cannot ever be repaid.
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009
and you were one of them. You did shill that the Iraq war would pay
for itself through oil revenues etc.
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Sam wrote:
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> Well, why do you need that trillion.
>
> People thought the Iraq war was going to be free?
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Bruce Sorge w
I'd even go for some independent historical evidence written about the
time of the miracle. While many have suggested that Josephus Flavius's
chronicles with a single line mentioning Yesu Bar Joseph, content
analysis of that passage is suspected of being a later addition.
Ezekiel predicted that E
You don't really get yours free Bruce. Taxpayers are footing the bill.
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Bruce Sorge wrote:
>
> What people? I never thought it was going to be free.
> And besides, why do I have to pay for your free health care? I already
> get mind for free. Whats in this for
She's yummy...and that Vegas song is catchy as hell.
She should apologize for stealing her first song from Jill Sobule
though.
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
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> > Bruce wrote:
> >
> > , Katy Perry.
> >
> > Gruss Gott wrote:
> >> Katy Perry turned 25 last.
> >>
>
>
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