Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread Gruss Gott
> Denny wrote: > Say some person shows up, busting mad miracles.  Walking on water, and > what have you. > Yeah, Scott, Denny is on the right track. You see we've got good statistical data to indicate the irrefutable existence of an intra-decade global warming special cause trend. Of course an

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread denstar
I'm curious... Say some person shows up, busting mad miracles. Walking on water, and what have you. First off: would you think "Jesus-type-whatnot!"? Secondly, to take this thought experiment a step further, let's posit that the person actually says "God gives me these powers, we're tight, an

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread Scott Stroz
So, using that logic, one could deduce that you believe in God. Well, maybe not really believe, you just might 'manage the risk'. a.) We don't know if there is a God, and b.) We don't know that there is not a God So, I guess the smart risk management thing to do is to pray and go to church eve

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > > It's worse than you think, 90 percent of us will die. > Remember? I take the risk management position, which is the only sensible one since: a.) We don't know if there's global warming, and b.) We don't know if there isn't global warming. When you have conflicting and/or in u

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread Sam
It's worse than you think, 90 percent of us will die. http://sweetness-light.com/archive/only-10-will-survive-global-warming On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > No, it's irrelevant to the topic at hand which is global climate > change that could have a serious impact on you

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread Gruss Gott
> Scott wrote: > So, its OK because everyone does it? > No, it's irrelevant to the topic at hand which is global climate change that could have a serious impact on your quality of life - or your kid's, if you care about them. This whole issue - anglia - has nothing to do with that topic. In any

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread Scott Stroz
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > (A.) Duh. > > If you take *any* emails from *any* institution you find this same > level of "deceit".  Somebody "sexing up" a graph to prove something or > other.  This falls into the category of "duh" and you should be > outraged by your own

Re: Another data visualization I enjoyed today - eBay Black Friday

2009-11-30 Thread Judah McAuley
Yeah, in order to make a real data visualization out of that they would have had to record the transactions for midnight to midnight relative to each time zone. And if you wanted to then answer the question of whether some regions are bigger ebay users than others, you'd have to have a second grap

Re: Another data visualization I enjoyed today - eBay Black Friday

2009-11-30 Thread Ian Skinner
As well as excluding 4 prime hours pajama wearing shopping from home on the computer time for the west coast. That map shows a relative correct weighting on how the population of the United States is destributed. There just really is that much empty space between the Mississippi River and the

Another data visualization I enjoyed today - eBay Black Friday

2009-11-30 Thread Jerry Johnson
http://www.ebayholiday.com/black-friday eBay maps out where its maddest Black Friday shopping action took place. EBay unveils a dataviz transaction map that reflects the U.S. locations with the most extensive shopping activity on the site on Black Friday, November 27, 2009. >From the looks of i

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread Judah McAuley
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Sam wrote: > > I'm saying you are contradicting yourself. > > As for NASA, anything from Hansen I don't trust. > > I don't know who this guy is but he has a pretty graph. > http://heliogenic.blogspot.com/2009/04/nasa-giss-data-stinks.html I don't know who that gu

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread Sam
I'm saying you are contradicting yourself. As for NASA, anything from Hansen I don't trust. I don't know who this guy is but he has a pretty graph. http://heliogenic.blogspot.com/2009/04/nasa-giss-data-stinks.html On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > >> Sam wrote: >> We know t

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > We know the science is fudged. That tells me enough when $trillions > are at stake. > So you're saying NASA is lying? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread Gruss Gott
> Ian wrote: > I would argue that by the year 2200 or 2300 science will probably have a > pretty good idea what type of warming is happening now and what caused it. > > Whether or not that knowledge does them any good is a giant open question. > Unfortunately if these past 10 years are a "special

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread Sam
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > Could someone remind me why any of this matters? Because you were really lied to this time. Not the fake Bush Lied. > In case you're confused - and some of you seem to be - let me clear > things up for: > > (A.) Duh. > If you take *any* emai

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread Ian Skinner
Gruss Gott wrote: > (C.) THEREFORE! ... Who the feck knows. > > The Earth is warming up, but climate science will NEVER be able to: > > 1.) Tell us if this is "special cause" or "common cause" warming and, > > 2.) If it is special cause, are humans causing it, and > > 3.) If it is special cause,

Re: Swiss Go Hardcore

2009-11-30 Thread Gruss Gott
> Larry wrote: > isolated from the surrrounding society. In contract the ones > emigrating to the US, Canada and Australia are well educated and with > some notable exceptions, such as the Somalis, have integrated quite > well into our society. > All good points, but whatever the cause you can't

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread Gruss Gott
> Larry wrote: > > The only news sources that have claimed these emails have come from a > whistle blower has been conservative oriented publications, such as > the Washington Examiner and the Washington Times. > Could someone remind me why any of this matters? In case you're confused - and some

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread Sam
Is that your scientific proof it was a hacker? On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > The only news sources that have claimed these emails have come from a > whistle blower has been conservative oriented publications, such as > the Washington Examiner and the Washington Time

Re: Swiss Go Hardcore

2009-11-30 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Remember the first big attack on Jews living in Germany happened on Kristallnacht - Nov 10, 1938. The concentration camps were first opened in 1936. I think that by 1939 most Germans if they knew about the camps would have said, it doesn't matter, its only the jews, gypsies and homosexuals that a

Re: Swiss Go Hardcore

2009-11-30 Thread Gruss Gott
> Stroz wrote: > > I sure am glad I was nto the only one to think that. > Well as long as we're going full comparison (which was the point of the posters) I think the interesting point is this: * In 1939 I think few individual Germans would've supported the racial profiling and attacks to come,

Re: madness in canada: some equal-opportunity mockery

2009-11-30 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > MD side) has a Temple Hills address. Do we know why he was there or what he > was doing? ie was he crossing at the light, or wandering down the travel > portion? Well it WAS raining. and dark. I'm pretty sure if it's dark and raining you can kill people on the road. especially

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread Larry C. Lyons
The only news sources that have claimed these emails have come from a whistle blower has been conservative oriented publications, such as the Washington Examiner and the Washington Times. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Sam wrote: >> >>

Re: Swiss Go Hardcore

2009-11-30 Thread Scott Stroz
I sure am glad I was nto the only one to think that. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Michael Grant wrote: > > Good lord. The stark colours of the black, red and white remind me of some > certain other propoganda you might have found there years before. > > > ~~

Re: It's a revolution Babyy!! Revolution programming!

2009-11-30 Thread G Money
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Won Lee wrote: > > > > > > > > > (I'd also love to see Baseball Stars, the best baseball game ever created > > for any system everbut i'm not holding my breath for that one) > > > > > RBI Baseball > Baseball Stars > This is a tough debate for me...because RB

Re: It's a revolution Babyy!! Revolution programming!

2009-11-30 Thread Won Lee
> > > > (I'd also love to see Baseball Stars, the best baseball game ever created > for any system everbut i'm not holding my breath for that one) > > RBI Baseball > Baseball Stars ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community w

Re: madness in canada: some equal-opportunity mockery

2009-11-30 Thread Dana
that doesn't help much; almost everything within 20 miles of there (on the MD side) has a Temple Hills address. Do we know why he was there or what he was doing? ie was he crossing at the light, or wandering down the travel portion? There is still, as far as I can see, no evidence that this was an

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread Jerry Johnson
Isn't that the street name for viagra? > Funny how Jones said he didn't know what Hide the Decline meant. > ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread Sam
McIntyre: The deleted data from the “Hide the Decline” trick http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/26/mcintyre-data-from-the-hide-the-decline/ On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:47 PM, G Money wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Sam wrote: > >> >> Funny how Jones said he didn't know what Hide the

Re: It's a revolution Babyy!! Revolution programming!

2009-11-30 Thread Jerry Johnson
Are you kidding? I die on the first turtle guy. My game was missile command. or superman. on the arcade systems tempest. or robotron. or even popeye. or the eventual holy grail - dragon's lair. I even own a dragon's lair video disc (although not the console). On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:45 PM,

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread G Money
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Sam wrote: > > Funny how Jones said he didn't know what Hide the Decline meant. > ^^ that's the part that bothered me. They asked the author what he meant (can't be a better source to discover the truth than that) and he basically claimed ignorance. C'mon. --

Re: It's a revolution Babyy!! Revolution programming!

2009-11-30 Thread G Money
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > We spent hours this weekend on Super Mario Brothers. (And Galaga). > > None of that new-fangled N64 junk. > Both games I have dloaded on the Virtual Console! When Super Tecmo Bowl is finally released for the VCyou'll never see me ag

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread William Bowen
> That is an interesting read, thanks for pointing it out. Though I > think that most of his criticisms are elitist bullshit. Who the hell > cares that it is written in Fortran? Obviously he hasn't worked much > in the physics community, there is lots of Fortran still there. or Banking or Energy

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread Sam
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > My understanding is that the emails sent to the BBC and elsewhere do > not generally contain all the emails in the various exchanges between > parties. I could be wrong however. You are correct, but the file was uploaded in full to realClim

Re: It's a revolution Babyy!! Revolution programming!

2009-11-30 Thread Jerry Johnson
We spent hours this weekend on Super Mario Brothers. (And Galaga). None of that new-fangled N64 junk. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:27 PM, G Money wrote: > > Mario64 is still one of the most enjoyable, and at the time revolutionary, > games every created. > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:17 PM, denst

Re: It's a revolution Babyy!! Revolution programming!

2009-11-30 Thread G Money
Mario64 is still one of the most enjoyable, and at the time revolutionary, games every created. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:17 PM, denstar wrote: > > Heh, I've got an old Nintendo64 I trot out every now and again too. :) > > Not that there's anything wrong with old stuff, but the new stuff gets

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread Judah McAuley
That is an interesting read, thanks for pointing it out. Though I think that most of his criticisms are elitist bullshit. Who the hell cares that it is written in Fortran? Obviously he hasn't worked much in the physics community, there is lots of Fortran still there. I've been interfacing with a s

Re: It's a revolution Babyy!! Revolution programming!

2009-11-30 Thread denstar
Heh, I've got an old Nintendo64 I trot out every now and again too. :) Not that there's anything wrong with old stuff, but the new stuff gets to stand on the giant's shoulders. The giants were a lot shorter back then, ja know? If you'd asked about Boyd, you'd know. =) -- Never contract frie

My dog wants this for Chirstmas

2009-11-30 Thread Scott Stewart
http://www.thedogfiles.com/2009/11/30/a-dog-collar-that-opens-beer-bottles/ -- Scott Stewart IT Consultant/ColdFusion Developer 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC 27616 (919) 874-6229 ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion c

Re: Swiss Go Hardcore

2009-11-30 Thread Michael Grant
Good lord. The stark colours of the black, red and white remind me of some certain other propoganda you might have found there years before. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on t

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread Jerry Johnson
I thought these musings on the code behind the data was more interesting. (John Stodder, I hate you for pointing this post out, and costing me way too much sleep). http://www.di2.nu/200911/23a.htm I don't necessarily agree with the author. He has obviously never worked on a multi-year programing

RE: The porn industry has chosen Android. Welcome to the next Mobile Standard

2009-11-30 Thread Jacob
I guess so... -Original Message- From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:chumph...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:36 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: The porn industry has chosen Android. Welcome to the next Mobile Standard Going to be learning a new language, Jacob? Until Lat

Re: Best graphic of the year: Thanksgiving recipe google trends mapped by state

2009-11-30 Thread Michael Grant
That's a good point. It would be really interesting to see user age and gender data. I'm thinking men between 18 and 30 are the main component? On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:58 PM, G Money wrote: > > Those are pretty cool...but I can't really tell what to make of the maps. > > I mean...if your stat

Re: Best graphic of the year: Thanksgiving recipe google trends mapped by state

2009-11-30 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:58 PM, G Money wrote: > I mean...if your state is well below average in looking up recipes for > "stuffing", does it mean that your state doesn't eat as much stuffing on > T-Giving...or does it mean that stuffing is such an ingrained part of your > T-Giving meal, that mo

Re: Best graphic of the year: Thanksgiving recipe google trends mapped by state

2009-11-30 Thread G Money
Those are pretty cool...but I can't really tell what to make of the maps. I mean...if your state is well below average in looking up recipes for "stuffing", does it mean that your state doesn't eat as much stuffing on T-Giving...or does it mean that stuffing is such an ingrained part of your T-Gi

Re: Best graphic of the year: Thanksgiving recipe google trends mapped by state

2009-11-30 Thread Michael Grant
That's pretty cool. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:308689

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread Judah McAuley
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Sam wrote: > > Selective release? > The emails were sent to the BBC, then uploaded and never published on > realClimate.com and a few other US sites. Finally released in Russia > and China. My understanding is that the emails sent to the BBC and elsewhere do not

Re: Swiss Go Hardcore

2009-11-30 Thread Casey Dougall
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > > Scott wrote: > > > > That is not very neutral of them. > > > > Can't blame them and it's a harbinger of things to come in my opinion. > I thought Holland would be first to do something like this, but the > Swiss are nothing if not efficie

Best graphic of the year: Thanksgiving recipe google trends mapped by state

2009-11-30 Thread Jerry Johnson
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/11/26/us/20091126-search-graphic.html ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffu

Re: The porn industry has chosen Android. Welcome to the next Mobile Standard

2009-11-30 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
Going to be learning a new language, Jacob? Until Later! C. Hatton Humphrey http://www.eastcoastconservative.com No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Jacob wrote: > > :) > > -O

Re: Too funny - and oh too believable

2009-11-30 Thread J.J. Merrick
This site has become my new favorite obsession. so good! On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > http://clientsfromhell.tumblr.com/post/262794581/watch-out-for-the-gays > > Watch out for the gays > > We were building a website for a client that has a preschool and sells > curr

Re: Swiss Go Hardcore

2009-11-30 Thread Gruss Gott
> Scott wrote: > > That is not very neutral of them. > Can't blame them and it's a harbinger of things to come in my opinion. I thought Holland would be first to do something like this, but the Swiss are nothing if not efficient. ~

Re: madness in canada: some equal-opportunity mockery

2009-11-30 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > > sigh. Has there been an accident report on that? > No tox reports yet, but they did ID the guy that was killed: 54 year-old Larry D. Moore of Temple Hills. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with somethi

Re: Too funny - and oh too believable

2009-11-30 Thread Larry C. Lyons
its really more sad than anything else. I cannot believe that such ignorance exists. I wish I knew what the company's name was. If they're ignorant on that issue, then chances are that their curriculum is pretty deficient in other areas. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: >

Too funny - and oh too believable

2009-11-30 Thread Jerry Johnson
http://clientsfromhell.tumblr.com/post/262794581/watch-out-for-the-gays Watch out for the gays We were building a website for a client that has a preschool and sells curriculum. Just before we went live, they called up and asked us to remove the word “school” from all the page titles and URLs. I

RE: The porn industry has chosen Android. Welcome to the next Mobile Standard

2009-11-30 Thread Jacob
:) -Original Message- From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:48 AM To: cf-community Subject: The porn industry has chosen Android. Welcome to the next Mobile Standard If history is anything to go by, Android will be the next dominant Cellphone platfor

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread Sam
Selective release? The emails were sent to the BBC, then uploaded and never published on realClimate.com and a few other US sites. Finally released in Russia and China. Are you sure they were hacked and not released by a whistle blower? How about "Mike's Nature trick" or "Hide the Decline"? O

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread Judah McAuley
I have looked at the emails and no, they didn't cover up anything though I suppose I could have missed something, I did not read them all. The ones commonly trotted out as damning have been explained in context, which the stolen and released emails lack. Not that selective release of stolen materi

Re: The porn industry has chosen Android. Welcome to the next Mobile Standard

2009-11-30 Thread JediHomer
Not really surprising really as getting adult content onto the iPhone is practically impossible... 2009/11/30 Vivec : > > If history is anything to go by, Android will be the next dominant > Cellphone platform. > > The porn industry has chosen the open platform to develop Adult > applications f

Re: The porn industry has chosen Android. Welcome to the next Mobile Standard

2009-11-30 Thread Vivec
There was a split, some stated support for HDDVD while others promoted BluRay. Then at some point in the race they threw in with BluRay. 2009/11/30 Zaphod Beeblebrox : > > didn't the porn industry side with HD-DVD? > > http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2007/01/8602.ars ~

Re: The porn industry has chosen Android. Welcome to the next Mobile Standard

2009-11-30 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
didn't the porn industry side with HD-DVD? http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2007/01/8602.ars On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Vivec wrote: > > If history is anything to go by, Android will be the next dominant > Cellphone platform. > > The porn industry has chosen the open platform to develop

The porn industry has chosen Android. Welcome to the next Mobile Standard

2009-11-30 Thread Vivec
If history is anything to go by, Android will be the next dominant Cellphone platform. The porn industry has chosen the open platform to develop Adult applications for Smartphones. http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=11685&tag=wrapper;col1 ~~

Re: It's a revolution Babyy!! Revolution programming!

2009-11-30 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
yeah, but it's an object with behaviors that relate to a database row, not the object that it most likely represents. On Nov 30, 2009, at 6:36 AM, Robert Munn wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < > zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Who works in recordset

Re: Alabama is ranked #2?!?

2009-11-30 Thread G Money
Rivalry games. There is no chance that Neb will beat Texasthe Huskers are not that good. Texas vs FU/Bama winner in champ gameinevitable. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Alabama just tied it up with Auburn with 5 minutes left in the 2nd > quarter but dang,

Re: Swiss Go Hardcore

2009-11-30 Thread Scott Stroz
That is not very neutral of them. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > http://www.rferl.org/content/Switzerland_Looks_Headed_Toward_Minaret_Ban_After_Referendum/1890536.html > > ~| Want to reach the ColdFusi

Re: It's a revolution Babyy!! Revolution programming!

2009-11-30 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Who works in recordsets anymore? It's all about the objects nowadays. > Wondering why I have to point out the obvious here, but in ColdFusion, a recordset IS an object.

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread Robert Munn
You posted two messages, which took WAY more than 2 seconds, ergo you are an idiot. :-) Take a look at the leaked emails. These people have spent years stifling dissent, they refuse to share their methods, and they claim that the other side isn't practicing sound science. What a bunch of clowns.

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread Robert Munn
They have the same kind of law in the UK. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Maureen wrote: > > Freedom of Information Act only applies in the US. University of East > Anglia is in the UK. So it's moot. > > Horse's mouth: > http://www.uea.ac.uk/mac/comm/media/press/2009/nov/homepagenews/CRUupda

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread Jerry Barnes
" We, therefore, do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (i.e. quality controlled and homogenized) data" I like this quote. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know o

Re: madness in canada: some equal-opportunity mockery

2009-11-30 Thread Dana
sigh. Has there been an accident report on that? On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > > Larry wrote: > > > > now don't start channeling Gruss now Dana. > > > > Yeah, cause running people down with an armored SUV is a "non-event" > ... much in line with this questioning. > > B

Re: climate raw data destroyed

2009-11-30 Thread Maureen
Freedom of Information Act only applies in the US. University of East Anglia is in the UK. So it's moot. Horse's mouth: http://www.uea.ac.uk/mac/comm/media/press/2009/nov/homepagenews/CRUupdate On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > So what is the truth here? Jones and his