Re: The Oklahoma legislature are sick fucks

2010-04-27 Thread Scott Stroz
I would as well. Sometimes it seems as if legislators have a contest to see who can pass the most absurd laws. On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > This post is about abortion. This will be unlikely to change anyones > mind one way or another and there isn't much in the wa

Re: This is a war I can get behind

2010-04-27 Thread William Bowen
So what is it exactly that makes that slide hard to understand? > The US Military fights a new war...against PowerPoint. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/27/world/27powerpoint.html?src=me&ref=general > > The Obama administration is already employing Edward Tufte, perhaps > the DOD can enlist

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Eric Roberts
Actually Sam...the "lawful contact" phrase has been discussed at length here...pay attention...Just because Glenn and Rush told you that it hasn't been noticed, doesn't make it so Eric On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Sam wrote: > > What fewer people have noticed is the phrase "lawful cont

This is a war I can get behind

2010-04-27 Thread Judah McAuley
The US Military fights a new war...against PowerPoint. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/27/world/27powerpoint.html?src=me&ref=general The Obama administration is already employing Edward Tufte, perhaps the DOD can enlist his help as well. ~~

The Oklahoma legislature are sick fucks

2010-04-27 Thread Judah McAuley
This post is about abortion. This will be unlikely to change anyones mind one way or another and there isn't much in the way of discussion to be had at this point. But sometimes it is important to go on record, stating your desire to kick every one of the legislators who voted for these bills in t

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Sam
Actually there is, stopping for no reason is a sign you aren't paying attention to the signs, I almost got a ticket way back for sleeping while driving because I wasn't reading the traffic signs :) On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Dana wrote: > > I don't think there is actually a law against st

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Sam
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > Well that's even less worrisome, breaking you're own security is kind of > easy. > > It was built using the government built plans The plans weren't meant to reduce not eliminate, but I already said that. So maturely the guy who built it

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Dana
I don't think there is actually a law against stopping at the top of an exit ramp ;) he mainly wanted to smell my breath On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Sam wrote: > > With this bill a license will let you go. I think you should have > gotten the ticket, not paying attention while driving, yo

RE: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Scott Stewart
-Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:34 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Closing the border On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > It wasn't P&T, it was volunteers who built the wall section, and then > breached i

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Sam
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > It wasn't P&T, it was volunteers who built the wall section, and then > breached it.. Well that's even less worrisome, breaking you're own security is kind of easy. > besides, have you seen the tunnels that Mexican drug dealers > dig und

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Sam
With this bill a license will let you go. I think you should have gotten the ticket, not paying attention while driving, you do that often yes? On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Dana wrote: > > but we don't need to prove citizenship. > > I recently had a chat with the California Highway Patrol a

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Dana
but we don't need to prove citizenship. I recently had a chat with the California Highway Patrol about why I thought a certain exit ramp had a stop sign at the top (most do, right? =) ) Anyway, he let me slide on the stopping at a non-existent stop sign thing as well as some missing insurance and

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Dana
exactly. And it's not even as though Ireland has no history of citizens travelling to other countries to commit acts of terrorism ;) I say this as someone who is half Irish on both sides and hs a close relative living in Ireland. > And this quote is awesome. Profiling is perfect, as long as they

RE: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Scott Stewart
-Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 9:44 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Closing the border On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > P&T are comedians and not even good at that. The walls seem to be > working elsewhe

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Sam
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > P&T are comedians and not even good at that. The walls seem to be > working elsewhere. > >>>the...walls...don't...work, go find the episode, the wall section was > built to the government spec and breached in under five minutes.. it's a ba

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Scott Stroz
Profiles of serial killers have included race as well as other criteria - I imagine that a thorough profile of other types of criminals would include race (if appropriate) as well as other criteria. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > Psychological vs. Racial ? > > -Ori

RE: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Scott Stewart
Psychological vs. Racial ? -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:56 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Closing the border On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Vivec wrote: > And this quote is awesome. Profiling is perfect, as long a

RE: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Scott Stewart
Sure there'd be an exit strategy.. Fight their way to Cozumel, and then forget why they came.. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:49 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Closing the border On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Scott S

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Scott Stroz
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Vivec wrote: > And this quote is awesome. Profiling is perfect, as long as they aren't > profiling anyone that looks like me. > LOL! Why is it OK to use profiling to catch serial killers, but not other criminals? -- Scott Stroz --- You can make th

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Scott Stroz
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > 3) it's impossible to round up and deport all 12 million illegals in the US, > so we give them a simple option, you want citizenship, join the military. And then, we can invade Mexico... without an exit strategy Problem solved. (for

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Vivec
Mexico has issued a travel warning over the Arizona law. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/26/arizona-immigration-law-r_n_552054.html#s85543 And this quote is awesome. Profiling is perfect, as long as they aren't profiling anyone that looks like me. LOL! "Gov. Jim Gibbons seemed more hesita

Re: If you extend Joomla under GPL you need to make code available?

2010-04-27 Thread denstar
With the GPL, it's *all about the distribution*. (IANAL!) So if you were to bundle Joomla *with* your extension, then you would have to "share" your extension source. You couldn't like, sell a version of Joomla that contains your extension, basically. So long as they are not bundled (distribut

RE: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Scott Stewart
-Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:29 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Closing the border On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > 1) How do we prevent these people from coming in illegally in the first > place. We

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Medic
Not once they're equipped with US military standard issue. Those are really big slingshots. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Medic wrote: > > 1. 111 million (read:all) Mexicans enter U.S. illegally > > 1.5 Cameron invades Mexico with

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Sam
What fewer people have noticed is the phrase "lawful contact," which defines what must be going on before police even think about checking immigration status. "That means the officer is already engaged in some detention of an individual because he's violated some other law," says Kris Kobach, a Un

RE: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Scott Stewart
You're going in with that much artillery? -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:30 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Closing the border On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Medic wrote: > 1. 111 million (read:all) Mexicans en

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Cameron Childress
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Medic wrote: > 1. 111 million (read:all) Mexicans enter U.S. illegally 1.5 Cameron invades Mexico with a slingshot and chewing gum Anyone wanna vacation in my recently acquired country? -Cameron ...

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Sam
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > 1) How do we prevent these people from coming in illegally in the first > place. We don't build walls, there's an episode of Penn and Teller's > Bullshit that uses the plans for the wall, and it's breached in under five > minutes. We use t

RE: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Scott Stewart
Uhmm... the US military already has a program that does just this, currently it's voluntary, and it's very successful.. It would be offered to only those currently in the US, once we tighten up the border -Original Message- From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 27

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Medic
> 3) it's impossible to round up and deport all 12 million illegals in the US, > so we give them a simple option, you want citizenship, join the military. haha. anyone else envision this: 1. 111 million (read:all) Mexicans enter U.S. illegally 2. 111 million illegal Mexican immigrants take the m

RE: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Scott Stewart
Weird analogy, because you're telling him, rather than him witnessing it.. As far as I know, witnessing a crime and not reporting it is in itself illegal... But that's not my point.. This Arizona law, is just another band-aid that sooner or later will be found either unconstitutional or flat il

Re: If you extend Joomla under GPL you need to make code available?

2010-04-27 Thread Jerry Johnson
My understanding was no. If you make changes to the core, you need to make those changes available for download. If the extensions are contained within separate code files, and individually included and addable, then no. In an open source community it is considered bad form not to share, but I

If you extend Joomla under GPL you need to make code available?

2010-04-27 Thread Vivec
Is it true that if you Extend Joomla under the GPL, and write extensions you need to be prepared to make your code available to Third Parties if requested? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Dana
yes it is. So would it not be defeating the purpose to hide a murderer? On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > The logic is that they don't want people...even if they are here illegally, > to be afraid to come forward to police with information that can lead to > arrests. > >

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Scott Stroz
I think its cute you consider Budweiser to be 'beer' On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Matthew P. Smith wrote: > > All of Budweiser's beers give me a headache.  Only brand that does that. > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 2:49 PM, G Money wrote: > >> >> I love budweiser. >> >> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Matthew P. Smith
All of Budweiser's beers give me a headache. Only brand that does that. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 2:49 PM, G Money wrote: > > I love budweiser. > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Scott Stewart >wrote: > > > > > dude.. that's low!! > > > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Judah McAuley > > w

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Eric Roberts
He also obvious has never been to Aurora, IL or doesn't know squat about because if he did he would know that I think there are more Mexicans in the house across the street from me than there are in Mexico city...Brian is just a moron teabagger (but I repeat myself) who thinks he is a tough guy be

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Eric Roberts
The logic is that they don't want people...even if they are here illegally, to be afraid to come forward to police with information that can lead to arrests. Eric On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Dana wrote: > > Santa Fe is a sanctuary city. It made that choice so it would be > easier to enfor

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread G Money
I love budweiser. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > dude.. that's low!! > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Judah McAuley > wrote: > > > > Budweiser drinker! > > > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > >> > >> Jerkface! > >> > >> Wait, you are in P

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Eric Roberts
Them's fightin' words... On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Budweiser drinker! > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > > > Jerkface! > > > > Wait, you are in Portland. > > > > California driver! > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Juda

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Scott Stewart
dude.. that's low!! On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Budweiser drinker! > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Jerry Johnson wrote: >> >> Jerkface! >> >> Wait, you are in Portland. >> >> California driver! >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Judah McAuley wrote

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Scott Stroz
w00tThank you...I was beginning to really get worried. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > I thought it was funny :) > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> >> Not about people committing murder but that I would use Law & Order as >> a source for ke

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Judah McAuley
I thought it was funny :) On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Not about people committing murder but that I would use Law & Order as > a source for keeping up to date in current events. > > Sometimes I swear we have all lost our senses of humor.

Re: DA bullies blogger in Apple case (was Re: Apple bullys journalist)

2010-04-27 Thread Matt Williams
There are definitely gray areas here. I don't buy the argument that the DA or police started the criminal investigation and Apple had nothing to do with it. I doubt the DA saw it as criminal until consulting with Apple. If the felony it is simply receipt/purchase of the lost item, then why con

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Scott Stroz
Not about people committing murder but that I would use Law & Order as a source for keeping up to date in current events. Sometimes I swear we have all lost our senses of humor. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Dana wrote: > > oh, that stuff about people commiting murder, that was a joke? oh. >

Re: Neat archaeological discovery in the middle of the SF financial district - a boat

2010-04-27 Thread Erika L. Rich
This sounds like a Clive Cussler novel in the works On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > http://www.uri.edu/artsci/his/mua/in_the_field/jd1.shtml > > The ship lies, today, several meters beneath the street level. Lining the > construction fence on the streets above are

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Dana
oh, that stuff about people commiting murder, that was a joke? oh. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I was trying to make a funny. I guess I failed. > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Dana wrote: >> >> see if you can find a link for that, will you Scott? >> >> On Tue, A

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Scott Stroz
I was trying to make a funny. I guess I failed. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Dana wrote: > > see if you can find a link for that, will you Scott? > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Dana wrote: >> Santa Fe is a sanctuary city. It made that choice so it would be >> easier to enforce the la

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Dana
I will try to find the study later on today. The gist of it was that most illegal immigrant pay taxes and yet are barred by statute from receiving services, Just now I have to go tho, spent too much time on this already. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Brian Thornton wrote: > > Hi Dana. When y

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Dana
see if you can find a link for that, will you Scott? On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Dana wrote: > Santa Fe is a sanctuary city. It made that choice so it would be > easier to enforce the law. I do not understand what logic would cause > a city to hide a murderer. > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Dana
Santa Fe is a sanctuary city. It made that choice so it would be easier to enforce the law. I do not understand what logic would cause a city to hide a murderer. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Dana wrote: > >> And these same towns have

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Scott Stroz
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Dana wrote: > And these same towns have allowed and >> encouraged sanctuaries, where not only are illegals protected from ICE to >> avoid deportation, but are also hidden from police looking for them on other >> criminal charges, like kidnapping, drugs, rape and

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Dana
to which I say to you, Jerry, that it is a lot easier to be a legal immigrant from Canada than if you are from Mexico or Guatemala. Oh and ICE and quick resolution do not belong in the same sentence. > The difference I see now is that it is no longer acceptable for public > employees to purpo

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Dana
> I am walking down the street. Can a policeman stop me and ask me for proof > of immigration status? (I say no). depends. Are you in Arizona and do you look Mexican? > I am at home, and the dog catcher comes in my yard. Can he ask me for proof > of immigration status? (I say no). In Arizona, Y

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Brian Thornton
Hi Dana. When you say "Most do in fact pay taxes and receive no services at all" what do you mean? On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Dana wrote: > > actually...I'd like to see some documentation for the don't pay taxes, > drain the social services thing. Most do in fact pay taxes and receive > n

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Dana
thread hogging? That's a crime now? Alert the media! :D On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Hey Scott...I am pro homeschooling now... > > You are not just a dumbass Brian...but a complete fucking idiot... > > -Original Message- > From: Brian Thornton [mailto:vegasth

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Dana
but see in order for that to be effective everyone else has to have all their paperwork in order too. And I have to say, that was one thing I really hated about Paris -- the fact that the police would stop you as you were walking down the street and ask for your papers. On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Scott Stroz
I was referring to my (admittedly limited) experience where illegal immigrants work in many 'cash only' jobs. If they pull in a paycheck - which might be difficult or even impossible given their immigration status - than I would stipulate that my assessment would be incorrect. Most illegal immigra

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Dana
you are correct as to how the law is written but not, I think, in how it will be applied. And sure, if it is misapplied there will be a great outcry but that will be small consolation to the people languishing in jail waiting for their relatives to produce their identification. On Mon, Apr 26, 20

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Scott Stroz
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > Yes, Scott, it is stealing. And I would steal to feed my kids if that > is the only option I had. Would you? I would. And I would also expect to be held accountable for those actions should I get caught. > >>> But if they are otherwise

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Dana
well, the law only requires it if you are an immigrant. And note that it's not an easy law to comply with due to the size of the temporary card, and complying with it is risky as the document is very difficult to get replaced. However, Hispanics are the people who will be asked to show that they

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Dana
well it kinda was if we understood it correctly, because however sympathetic the plaintiff might have been, he just did not have the law on his side. On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > That was hardly a frivolous lawsuit... === > The suing of the city has some pretty good

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Dana
actually...I'd like to see some documentation for the don't pay taxes, drain the social services thing. Most do in fact pay taxes and receive no services at all, from what I have read. I'm not saying illegal immigration is a *good* thing, but the Arizona law is trying to solve a phantom problem.

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Judah McAuley
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 5:10 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: >> >  I have more >> scorn for someone that steals a car stereo because they are bored or >> it looks cool than I do for someone that shop lifts to pick up food >> for their kids. Both t

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Judah McAuley
Budweiser drinker! On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > Jerkface! > > Wait, you are in Portland. > > California driver! > > > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > >> Jerry and I have, thus far, been having a very civil discussion. >> > > > ~~~

RE: Interesting survey

2010-04-27 Thread Jacob
I am assuming site speed is not part of the survey.. unless it is just sloow for me. -Original Message- From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:53 AM To: cf-community Subject: Interesting survey State of web devel

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Jerry Johnson
Jerkface! Wait, you are in Portland. California driver! On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > Jerry and I have, thus far, been having a very civil discussion. > ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Judah McAuley
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 3:38 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "If the Republican legislators who passed this bill had backed comprehensive > immigration reform, this wouldn't be an issue." > > Typical.  I am so not surprised you wrote that. Of course I wrote that. It is true and it was a counterbalan

Interesting survey

2010-04-27 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
State of web development 2010 http://www.webdirections.org/sotw10/ I feel like a lemming after reading that :) ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailin

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Kris Sisk
>I suspect the jobs won't go unfilled, they will just become $100/day/person >jobs instead of $20. This will drive up construction costs, restaurant >kitchen costs, gardening costs and most menial labour jobs. > >Citizens will be like: "What the fuck? Why does it cost more than a couple >hundred a

Re: DA bullies blogger in Apple case (was Re: Apple bullys journalist)

2010-04-27 Thread Jerry Johnson
Ah, it has been returned, as soon as Apple asked for it. And they "tried" to put it all back together. But yeah, damaging it was probably not a great help to their defense. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Casey Dougall < ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:23

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Vivec
So will the Police only be pulling spanish looking people over and asking for "Der Papers, HEIL!" or will it be all non whites? Anyone non-whites plan to vacation in Arizona anytime soon? "I'm not going back to Arizona as long as it remains a police state, which is what the appalling anti-immigr

Re: DA bullies blogger in Apple case (was Re: Apple bullys journalist)

2010-04-27 Thread Casey Dougall
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > Actually, it isn't Apple. > > It is the police and district attorney who decide a crime was committed. > > (Which it looks like in this case it probably was - since knowingly > purchasing and taking possession of lost property is a theft

Re: Apple bullys journalist

2010-04-27 Thread Vivec
The DA called a halt to the investigation because the police may have broken some laws. Apple's pockets are deep though, and they seem to have taken a decision to make an example of Gizmodo. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion commu

DA bullies blogger in Apple case (was Re: Apple bullys journalist)

2010-04-27 Thread Jerry Johnson
Actually, it isn't Apple. It is the police and district attorney who decide a crime was committed. (Which it looks like in this case it probably was - since knowingly purchasing and taking possession of lost property is a theft crime in CA.) And no. They can ask for a warrant from a judge if th

Apple bullys journalist

2010-04-27 Thread Matt Williams
I suppose y'all have heard about Gizmodo revealing the iPhone 4. http://gizmodo.com/5520471/the-tale-of-apples-next-iphone?skyline=true&s=i Did you hear the police confiscated all of Jason Chen's computers because "it was used as the means of committing a felony"? http://gizmodo.com/5524843/ I

Re: Neat archaeological discovery in the middle of the SF financial district - a boat

2010-04-27 Thread Larry Lyons
Um yes. The financial district in San Francisco used to be a mud flat. During the gold rush clipper ships would drop off passengers. Unfortunately many of these ships had to be abandoned because the crews also took off to hunt for gold. So they were towed to these mud flats and left to rot. E

Neat archaeological discovery in the middle of the SF financial district - a boat

2010-04-27 Thread Jerry Johnson
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/his/mua/in_the_field/jd1.shtml The ship lies, today, several meters beneath the street level. Lining the construction fence on the streets above are hundreds of spectators drawn to the incongruous spectacle of a ship lying deep in the heart of San Francisco’s Financial D

RE: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread LRS Scout
I have to agree with Scott here, not with the law, as written it sounds far too draconian and open to abuse. We aren't supposed to be a society that checks its papers and answers to big brother. I believe we need real border security. I'm wishy washy on a guest worker visa program. One that al

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Scott Stroz
My point was that there are likely other laws that would cover a person riding a streetcar in Portland shooting at a jack rabbit. So, not enforcing that law does not mean someone gets away with a crime. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:14 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > I'm against a law that would be a blank

RE: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread LRS Scout
Word. -Original Message- From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:30 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Closing the border Have to agree with Jerry on this one. On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:13 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > You are coming across as

RE: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread LRS Scout
I'm against a law that would be a blanket ban on the firing of weapons in public. How do you train? Train the way you fight. How about blanks? Simunitions? Self defense? How about private land owners that are within city limits but have enough land to shoot responsibly? Indoor ranges, both

Re: what's up with the economy

2010-04-27 Thread G Money
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > I would have liked to see a stronger stimulus plan. Economists argued > that in order to see a substantial effect, it would have had to have > been a larger percentage of GDP, which makes sense to me. But on the > other hand, it is an exp

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Scott Stroz
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Hey Scott...I am pro homeschooling now... I saw that..nice to see you caem around ;-) Of course, now I am conflicted. Should I be upset with Brian? He was trying to insult you, and in the process, insulted me. -- Scott Stroz -

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Scott Stroz
So, you are OK with people firing weapons in public? Seems to me that any weapons laws would take precedent over the jack rabbit one. Just me though. On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:40 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> Why even have immigration laws

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Scott Stroz
I would consider that law archaic - as I would with many other laws. However, I do not consider immigration laws to be archaic. On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:40 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> Why even have immigration laws if they are not enfor

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Scott Stroz
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > I have more > scorn for someone that steals a car stereo because they are bored or > it looks cool than I do for someone that shop lifts to pick up food > for their kids. Both things are illegal. I have more moral problems > with the first

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Scott Stroz
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > I DO believe, if the dog catcher is told be me at the door "yes, I brought > that dog over the border yesterday when I came here illegally", the dog > catcher now has a duty to tell someone. > > Do I like that personally? No. It is too KGB

Re: Closing the border

2010-04-27 Thread Jerry Barnes
"If the Republican legislators who passed this bill had backed comprehensive immigration reform, this wouldn't be an issue." Typical. I am so not surprised you wrote that. It wouldn't be an issue if the government enforced the laws that exist now. There would be no need for comprehensive immigr