Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Maureen
My many times great-grandfather fought in the Revolutionary War - a war against taxation without representation. The Continental Congress awarded him a land grant in lieu of payment for his service. That land is still in the family, handed down through many generations. Tell me why my kids shoul

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Judah McAuley
Democracy is a way of voting on policies. Socialism is a economic policy. If people vote for a socialist economic policy in a democratic voting system there is no conflict. All taxation is socialist. It is fundamentally a redistribution of what you think is "your" money for things which you may o

Re: Portland: only "ready" city in America

2011-04-19 Thread Judah McAuley
Portland has a lot of problems. However, it has a lot of good ideas and is farther along than many cities in some areas. Transportation, planning and density is one of them. We're still far from being a car-free metropolis, however. I think we've reached a critical mass though on public opinion. W

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Maureen
If it's my money, I should be able to do what I want with it. The government telling me what I can do with it isn't democracy, it's socialism. The government taking 40% of it in some cooked up scheme to deingrate the rich is theft, pure and simple. And there is that word entitlement again. Is

Re: Portland: only "ready" city in America

2011-04-19 Thread Judah McAuley
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Ray Champagne wrote: > > Yeah, the homeless population openly trading pills and other drugs openly in > the street doesn't exactly make for a Utopia either. Meh, I worked in Old Town for years and it really wasn't a big deal. Some people would like it to go away

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Judah McAuley
I believe in a fair shake for earned income. Earned is a key word. Parents ought to be able to leave their kids a fair stake to start themselves out. Unearned riches are just that, unearned. The American Dream, in it's most pure incarnation, is about opportunity, not entitlement. Passing along pil

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Maureen
No, to the child it is a gift from smart parents. It's only income because the government wants the money. On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Because to the Child it is income. > > -Original Message- > From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, Ap

RE: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Eric Roberts
Because to the Child it is income. -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 08:35 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts I'm not a fan of increases in capital gains or i

RE: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Eric Roberts
It would certainly boost sales of computer based POS registers...plus those could also be upgraded through a software upgrade... -Original Message- From: Casey Dougall [mailto:ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 04:47 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: [politics]

RE: Portland: only "ready" city in America

2011-04-19 Thread Eric Roberts
That's pretty awesome. -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 03:28 PM To: cf-community Subject: Portland: only "ready" city in America http://www.businessinsider.com/portland-and-energy-transition-2011-4 Portland, Oregon is now

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Maureen
I agree with most of this. The cash for clunkers program saved our family business. Forty-one stores and over 10 thousand jobs. It looks like this year we might actually show a profit for the first time since 2006. Putting some of the stimulus into a loan restructuring program for mortgages wo

RE: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Eric Roberts
Neither do the poor or middle class. But yes...Warren buffet alone could pay down the debt if he wanted to. -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 03:27 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gai

RE: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Eric Roberts
To his credit, Sanders did make that distinction in a June 9, 2010, speech, saying that ExxonMobil "reported to the SEC that not only did it avoid paying any federal income taxes, it actually received a $156 million refund from the IRS." (From the politifact article...) -Original Message

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Maureen
I'm not a fan of increases in capital gains or inheritance taxes. Remember than increases in capital gains affect everyone who owns stock, not just the super wealthy. Inheritance tax seems like double taxation to me. Since the parent paid taxes when they earned the money, why should the child ha

RE: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Eric Roberts
I think a better use of the stimulus would have been to pay off the mortgages. It would have prevented this foreclosure fiasco we are experiencing...banks would have got their money and people would have been able to spend money on other things which would have helped the economy. Same with the G

RE: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Eric Roberts
Pretty much...our elected officials pay more attention to them than they do to us. -Original Message- From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 03:07 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget c

RE: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Eric Roberts
Because our reps really don't represent us very well once they are in office. Many of us write in regularly to our elected officials to no avail on many subjects. I can write to Judy Biggert, for instance, till I am blue in the face (or hand I guess hehehe) and have every other progressive in th

RE: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Eric Roberts
Many European countries have really strict accounting rules that make doing this impossible, making sure that money that was generated in country is counted as such and connot be shifted to tax shelters. -Original Message- From: Casey Dougall [mailto:ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com] Sent:

RE: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Eric Roberts
I am all for that...unfortunately republicans are not. I just saw an article where one of the teabaggers in the house is demanding that corporate tax rates get cut in half to get their votes to raise the debt ceiling. Big ones: estate and inheritance taxes need to be reinstated. There is a gro

RE: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Eric Roberts
He spent 14 trillion over the next decade? Did I fall asleep and it's 2021? -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 02:53 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts On Tue, Apr

Re: Portland: only "ready" city in America

2011-04-19 Thread Ray Champagne
Yeah, the homeless population openly trading pills and other drugs openly in the street doesn't exactly make for a Utopia either. Other than the homeless problem, I have loved my trips to Portland and the upper PacNWest. There is definitely a green initiative there, and it was there WAY before b

Re: Portland: only "ready" city in America

2011-04-19 Thread Gruss Gott
Cameron Childress wrote: > > Portland has some GREAT public transit and very careful city planning > around density. Of course there's other things about Portland that aren't the best: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42614045/ns/us_news-weird_news/ ~

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Sam
You guys are doing sound bytes. The reality is finding hidden dollars aren't the answer. They might help a wee bit but we have real problems that won't get solved. Remember how fast Bono booked when they decided to charge him taxes. . On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Rober

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Sam
You can go door to door and get the taxes at gunpoint but that still won't be enough to support Obama's spending. And don't forget, for every dollar they find from some rich bastard they will spend three. . On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Sam wrote: >> >> So, out of the

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Gruss Gott
Robert Munn wrote: > > They may still pay some taxes, but in general they will pay capital > gains (15% flat) rather than income (35% top bracket) taxes, so they > come out WAY ahead. > Yeah, if basically everything you used or did was an asset or expense of a company (just breaking even) then .

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Sam
We keep throwing money at education and it gets worse. Maybe cuts will help. On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Casey Dougall wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Sam wrote: > >> >> I didn't say it wasn't fair, I said it won't solve anything.

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Robert Munn
They may still pay some taxes, but in general they will pay capital gains (15% flat) rather than income (35% top bracket) taxes, so they come out WAY ahead. On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > People who don't work for a living can (if they're smart) manipulate > their assets

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: > > So, out of the $3 trillion collected how much did your target audience > pay in and how much extra do you think we'll gain? > > Hint top 10% pay 68% > You pay more income tax than Bill Gates and Warren Buffet combined. You're rich!! See the problem is that people who work for a

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Casey Dougall
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Sam wrote: > > I didn't say it wasn't fair, I said it won't solve anything. > > . > OK so cutting spending from Education every cycle is helping? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! h

Re: All the Data on the Ryan Plan

2011-04-19 Thread Gruss Gott
Maureen wrote: > > Just tell me this.  Does it mention ending the wars at all?   Because > if not, in my eyes, it is nothing but more bullcrap. > Relatively speaking the wars are a drop in the bucket compared to the unfunded liabilities. That said, $150B would buy a hell of a lot of US infrastr

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Sam
I didn't say it wasn't fair, I said it won't solve anything. . On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Casey Dougall wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Sam wrote: > >> >> So, out of the $3 trillion collected how much did your target audience >> pay in and how much extra do you think we'll g

Re: Anybody looking for a new job... :)

2011-04-19 Thread Maureen
Suspect the missing paren is a craigslist problem. I don't want a job where I am the smartest person in the room. That means that everyone I work with would be dumber than me. I've had that problem too many times already. On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > You would thin

Re: Portland: only "ready" city in America

2011-04-19 Thread Casey Dougall
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > http://www.businessinsider.com/portland-and-energy-transition-2011-4 > > Portland, Oregon is now far enough along in its transition away from > oil that by 2015 one can imagine this city being able to market and > sell its own example to the

Re: All the Data on the Ryan Plan

2011-04-19 Thread Maureen
Just tell me this. Does it mention ending the wars at all? Because if not, in my eyes, it is nothing but more bullcrap. On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > It isn't to that level of detail yet, Maureen. The plans put forward > so far are more like frameworks, ie, keep to

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Casey Dougall
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Sam wrote: > > So, out of the $3 trillion collected how much did your target audience > pay in and how much extra do you think we'll gain? > > Hint top 10% pay 68% > > Also, do you think removing tax incentives will help repair the economy? > > If it's not fair t

Re: Anybody looking for a new job... :)

2011-04-19 Thread Cameron Childress
They had me at Foosball. but 3 games a day is a little light... -Cameron On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Chris Stoner wrote: > http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/sof/2333901463.html -- Cameron Childress Sumo Consulting Inc http://www.sumoc.com --- cell:  678.637.5072 aim:   cameroncf email:

Re: Portland: only "ready" city in America

2011-04-19 Thread Cameron Childress
Portland has some GREAT public transit and very careful city planning around density. I am not surprised in the least to see them in this article... On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > http://www.businessinsider.com/portland-and-energy-transition-2011-4 > > Portland, Oregon i

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Sam
So, out of the $3 trillion collected how much did your target audience pay in and how much extra do you think we'll gain? Hint top 10% pay 68% Also, do you think removing tax incentives will help repair the economy? . On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Mmmm I'm thinking th

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: > > The rich don't have enough to  pay down the debt > Mmmm I'm thinking the wealthy + wealthy corporations would. Judah can probably get us the accurate numbers but I'll just noodle it out here as is my custom ... So Q42010 was "the most profitable" in history for corporations with

Portland: only "ready" city in America

2011-04-19 Thread Gruss Gott
http://www.businessinsider.com/portland-and-energy-transition-2011-4 Portland, Oregon is now far enough along in its transition away from oil that by 2015 one can imagine this city being able to market and sell its own example to the rest of the world. Most of Portland’s longstanding initiatives

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Sam
I thought it would be hard to stand against a site you swear by. BTW, they paid $500 million in income tax. . On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Sam wrote: >> http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/dec/10/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-filibuster-exxon-mobil/ >>

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Sam
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > Getting rid of the loopholes alone would allow a top rate tax CUT from > 35% to 30% and would still easily pay down the debt if we included > modest spending cuts. The rich don't have enough to pay down the debt > Of course that's not going

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: > http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/dec/10/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-filibuster-exxon-mobil/ > Oh sure, you read a left-leaning site and then obediently follow what it says. (psst - btw, they pay $0 in *income* tax which is less than you)

Re: Anybody looking for a new job... :)

2011-04-19 Thread Gruss Gott
Scott Stroz wrote: > > You would think that a company that wants you to be the smartest > person in any room you walk into would not have an unclosed > parenthesis in the page title. > That's why they need someone smart. ~| Ord

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Sam
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Eric Roberts wrote: >> >> They actually pay a lower rate of taxes after all the loopholes, rebates, >> and tax shelters they can take advantage of that most people in the middle >> and lower classes don't have availableso no, the actual

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Gruss Gott
G Money wrote: > > S..if everyone knows about this, and knows that it suckswhy > don't we do something about it?? > > There MUST be another side to thiswhat is it? > Lobbyists!! You really think congressmen and women get by on their government check? ~~~

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Gruss Gott
G Money wrote: > So remove or limit the loopholes, rebates and shelters that are available > only to the super rich (whatever those are). Do you have an specifics? > Our situation is actually that easy to fix. Getting rid of the loopholes alone would allow a top rate tax CUT from 35% to 30% and

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
The people who own the lobbyists and legislators don't want it changed? On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:05 PM, G Money wrote: > > S..if everyone knows about this, and knows that it suckswhy > don't we do something about it?? > > There MUST be another side to thiswhat is it? ~~

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread G Money
S..if everyone knows about this, and knows that it suckswhy don't we do something about it?? There MUST be another side to thiswhat is it? On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Casey Dougall < ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 3:55 PM, G Money wr

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Casey Dougall
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 3:55 PM, G Money wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Eric Roberts < > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > > > > They actually pay a lower rate of taxes after all the loopholes, rebates, > > and tax shelters they can take advantage of that most people in th

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Gruss Gott
Eric Roberts wrote: > > They actually pay a lower rate of taxes after all the loopholes, rebates, > and tax shelters they can take advantage of that most people in the middle > and lower classes don't have availableso no, the actual rate is lower > than ours. If we're talking about *income*

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread G Money
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > They actually pay a lower rate of taxes after all the loopholes, rebates, > and tax shelters they can take advantage of that most people in the middle > and lower classes don't have availableso no, the

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Sam
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > No, Bush is not off the hook since he was most of the reason we are in this > mess to begin with.  If it hadn't been for his irresponsible tax cuts and > getting us illegally involved in a war in Iraq, then we probably wouldn't be > in this

RE: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Eric Roberts
They actually pay a lower rate of taxes after all the loopholes, rebates, and tax shelters they can take advantage of that most people in the middle and lower classes don't have availableso no, the actual rate is lower than ours. -Original Message- From: G Money [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread G Money
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > They pay les compared to the amount of income they make what exactly does this mean, Eric? > In fact, their tax rate is lowest it has been in the country's history. > But their RATE is STILL higher than

RE: Anybody looking for a new job... :)

2011-04-19 Thread Eric Roberts
We called it the big green weenie in the army...heheheh -Original Message- From: PT [mailto:cft...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 01:55 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Anybody looking for a new job... :) That makes me kind of wonder what "Big Data" is really referring too.

RE: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Eric Roberts
No, Bush is not off the hook since he was most of the reason we are in this mess to begin with. If it hadn't been for his irresponsible tax cuts and getting us illegally involved in a war in Iraq, then we probably wouldn't be in this mess...or at a minimum, it would be as bad as it was. They pay

RE: Anybody looking for a new job... :)

2011-04-19 Thread Jeff Garza
Funniest thing I've heard today! Thanks for the laugh G! -Original Message- From: G Money [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 12:10 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Anybody looking for a new job... :) On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Jacob wrote: > > "Figure o

Re: Anybody looking for a new job... :)

2011-04-19 Thread G Money
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Jacob wrote: > > "Figure out which keywords are most profitable in Google Adwords for each > of > 35 million domains" > > Just reading that gave me a headache. I think I will stay here... cannot > beat the perks I have ;-) > yeah, yer job already has ridiculous

RE: Anybody looking for a new job... :)

2011-04-19 Thread Jacob
"Figure out which keywords are most profitable in Google Adwords for each of 35 million domains" Just reading that gave me a headache. I think I will stay here... cannot beat the perks I have ;-) Oh.. and posted on Craigslist.. so they are looking to pay $9/hr... -Original Message- From

Re: Anybody looking for a new job... :)

2011-04-19 Thread PT
That makes me kind of wonder what "Big Data" is really referring too. On 4/19/2011 12:58 PM, Chris Stoner wrote: > > http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/sof/2333901463.html > > Great perks but one ridiculous drawback (or plus depending the applicants > viewpoint). ~

Re: Anybody looking for a new job... :)

2011-04-19 Thread Scott Stroz
You would think that a company that wants you to be the smartest person in any room you walk into would not have an unclosed parenthesis in the page title. On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Chris Stoner wrote: > > http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/sof/2333901463.html > > Great perks but one ri

Re: KKK comes out against Koran burning, Westboro, and the Tea Party

2011-04-19 Thread Sam
Oh, I thought he was recruiting. . On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > You know you are extreme when the KKK says you are going too far... > > Eric > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://ww

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Sam
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Hasn't most, if not all of the TARP been repaid? Good point. That means Bush is off the hook for that mess. It even brought in a profit unlike the stimulus. > If we are going to be > making cuts (and thus increasing the burden on the bott

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Sam
Hybrids and Electric cars are useless. I imagine they would have a bus going to your house if people used it. Empty buses just add to traffic. . On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > I agree...I think we need more public transportation.  I would love to dump > my car, but un

RE: KKK comes out against Koran burning, Westboro, and the Tea Party

2011-04-19 Thread Eric Roberts
You know you are extreme when the KKK says you are going too far... Eric -Original Message- From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 12:17 PM To: cf-community Subject: KKK comes out against Koran burning, Westboro, and the Tea Party "There are wi

RE: Anybody looking for a new job... :)

2011-04-19 Thread Eric Roberts
No kidding...that usually only becomes apparent after you have been locked in hhehe Eric -Original Message- From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 01:25 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Anybody looking for a new job... :) At least this job is upfront abo

RE: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Eric Roberts
Hasn't most, if not all of the TARP been repaid? If we are going to be making cuts (and thus increasing the burden on the bottom half) then we also need to be increasing the burden on the top too. I think you are wrong on that Sam...it has been the other way around. Dems have been caving in to

RE: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Eric Roberts
I agree...I think we need more public transportation. I would love to dump my car, but until non-urban areas get decent and usable public trans, that will never be able to happen. Out in Aurora, IL, when I lived there, there was a bus that went to the transportation center where you boarded the

Re: Anybody looking for a new job... :)

2011-04-19 Thread Medic
At least this job is upfront about the ridiculous anal. On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > The ridiculous anal makes more sense than using C# for trawling giant > amounts of loosely structured data. > > Judah > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Chris Stoner wrote: > > >

Re: KKK comes out against Koran burning, Westboro, and the Tea Party

2011-04-19 Thread Sam
When did you join? . On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > "There are without doubt Islamic sects that teach extreme views of > Islam but, going down to their level of hatred by burning their books > is a dangerous and ignorant way to confront their teachings. The > flames m

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Sam
We don't need to cut spending until we're starving. We just need to cut all the spending from the last two years. Repeal Obama care and then we need t work on repaying the tarp and stimulus money. Then there's the entitlements. At this rate we can't survive, if we reverse all the damage we will r

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Sam
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > terrorism...if he was, 9/11 wouldn't have happened in the first place.  Kind > of hard to miss "Bin Laden Planning Attack in America", yet he managed to > mistake that for something else when presented with it in a meeting. Are you talking

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Sam
Do you have a statue of Michael Moore in your yard? . On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Actually...no I haven't.  Most progressives are not happy with Obama > either...he is far too republican for our tastes. > > Eric ~~~

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Robert Munn
Obama or no Obama, we're in deep and we can't just cut spending and dig our way out. We are in a situation where, under the current system, we either: 1. keep going forward with the current plan, ultimately resulting in the debasement of the dollar, leading to $15/gallon oil, or 2. dramatically c

RE: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Eric Roberts
Keep dreaming(or more likely, keep taking the serious drugs...at least share so we can all be just as delusional)...Bush wasn't right about terrorism...if he was, 9/11 wouldn't have happened in the first place. Kind of hard to miss "Bin Laden Planning Attack in America", yet he managed to mistake

KKK comes out against Koran burning, Westboro, and the Tea Party

2011-04-19 Thread Judah McAuley
"There are without doubt Islamic sects that teach extreme views of Islam but, going down to their level of hatred by burning their books is a dangerous and ignorant way to confront their teachings. The flames made by such unholy fires never die out! The Ku Klux Klan, LLC. opposes this most un-Amer

RE: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Eric Roberts
Actually...no I haven't. Most progressives are not happy with Obama either...he is far too republican for our tastes. Eric -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 12:00 To: cf-community Subject: Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the ri

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread G Money
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > I'm sure the Soviets said the same thing, many times. > > That's the tough thing. I believe that the system is more resilient > than many believe. There have always been Cassandra's prophesying > doom. On the other hang, things really do fa

Re: Anybody looking for a new job... :)

2011-04-19 Thread Judah McAuley
The ridiculous anal makes more sense than using C# for trawling giant amounts of loosely structured data. Judah On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Chris Stoner wrote: > > http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/sof/2333901463.html > > Great perks but one ridiculous drawback (or plus depending the appli

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Sam
Why would I be the one bamboozled. I'm the one saying we're taking the wrong course and you're the one saying Obama knows best. Two more years of this and we are done. I keep hoping one day Obama will wake up and say not only was Bush right about terrorism, he was right about the economy too. I k

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2011-04-19 Thread Chris Stoner
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RE: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Eric Roberts
I guess you only know when the sky is actually falling on top of you...which, of course, is too late... ;-) I happen to agree with Robert on this. I have smelled a revolution for quite some time. People, like Sam, are going to finally wake up and realize just how much they have been bamboozled

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Judah McAuley
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:23 AM, G Money wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Robert Munn wrote: > >> >> I have a good nose for trouble, and my nose is telling me trouble is >> coming fast. >> > > Blow yer nose, then take a dep breaththings may be tough, and may > get tougher...b

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread G Money
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Robert Munn wrote: > > I have a good nose for trouble, and my nose is telling me trouble is > coming fast. > Blow yer nose, then take a dep breaththings may be tough, and may get tougher...but the system will hold.

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Sam
Flat wages aren't a bad thing unless you're living beyond your means. We had two wars and an imaginary surplus. So tightening our belts was acceptable, of course the false riches of the housing bubble changed that. >From that point on it became a wealth redistribution from the people to the banker

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Robert Munn
I have a good nose for trouble, and my nose is telling me trouble is coming fast. On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:11 AM, G Money wrote: > > Some of ya'all just need to take a deep breath. > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread G Money
Some of ya'all just need to take a deep breath. On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Robert Munn wrote: > > Corporate outsourcing from 2000-2010 kept wages flat for an entire > decade, even as inflation ticked away every year, eroding the standard > of living of the entire middle class. Obama

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Robert Munn
Corporate outsourcing from 2000-2010 kept wages flat for an entire decade, even as inflation ticked away every year, eroding the standard of living of the entire middle class. Obama responded with the tools of an old-school liberal - huge deficits, monetized debt, tax increases. A well-intentione

Re: All the Data on the Ryan Plan

2011-04-19 Thread Judah McAuley
It isn't to that level of detail yet, Maureen. The plans put forward so far are more like frameworks, ie, keep top tax rates at 27%, cut 1 trillion from medicare spending by moving to a defined contribution, not defined benefit plan, cut 1 trillion from social services, etc. The detail of exactly

Re: Is it a bad sign...

2011-04-19 Thread G Money
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:47 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote: > > Sad truth is it's necessary. We currently have a LOT of scheduled > reports with around 25 of them being audit points to check the systems > and data. SQL Reporting services doesn't share subscriptions between > users so I had to co

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Vivec
Let's do some analysis. Is it at all Fixable? Practically fixable. There are a lot of idealogical discussions, and if everything worked well this would happen etc. But practically, is there any way out of this? ~| Order the Ad

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Sam
You mean 2008 -2011 The new ruler has failed. S&P has stated that as plain as can be. Oh, and there was never a surplus. . On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > > The killer for the US was the 2000-2010 cycle where we went from > surplus to insane levels of debt.  And this is

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2011-04-19 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
It was forced upon me by the evil Vista auto-update. Truth be told, it looks a *lot* like Chrome, acts like it too. Until Later! C. Hatton Humphrey http://www.eastcoastconservative.com No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenien

Re: Is it a bad sign...

2011-04-19 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> > When you have to build an audit report to identify all of the scheduled > > audit reports you have on a system? > > That's hilarious. Sad truth is it's necessary. We currently have a LOT of scheduled reports with around 25 of them being audit points to check the systems and data. SQL Report

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Gruss Gott
Casey Dougall wrote: > When Moody's Investors Service revised its outlook on Japan's AAA-rated > sovereign debt to negative from stable in 1998 -- similar to what S&P did to > the United States on Monday -- the yen sank to its lowest level in six years > and government bond prices fell sharply.

Re: Is it a bad sign...

2011-04-19 Thread G Money
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:18 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote: > > When you have to build an audit report to identify all of the scheduled > audit reports you have on a system? > That's hilarious. I remember a few years ago, our clients had us build an error report which was supposed to help track

Is it a bad sign...

2011-04-19 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
When you have to build an audit report to identify all of the scheduled audit reports you have on a system? Until Later! C. Hatton Humphrey http://www.eastcoastconservative.com No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. ~~

Re: [politics] Cost of tax cuts for the rich exceeds gains by budget cuts

2011-04-19 Thread Casey Dougall
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Robert Munn wrote: > > Republicans argue that the rich need a tax break in order to invest in > the country, but they are already sitting on $2 trillion in capital, > and their investments of late have tended toward commodities (gold, > silver, oil) and foreign i