Re: Rush isn't really a racist douchebag, really!

I am inclined to take that opposing view, but that's not etched in stone and is not what I'm trying to say. I'm actually trying to understand how the first alternative would work. I think I'd need an example though to explain myself... Maybe I will come back to this later. On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at

Re: Rush isn't really a racist douchebag, really!

Kind of like recognizing a pun even though you don't like puns? But you still wouldn't find it funny, would you? On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:29 PM, GMoney wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Dana wrote: > > > But you seem to be saying that it's possible to tell a racist joke > without >

Re: Give me charity money pleads mother-of-TEN who i nsis ts her £30,000-a-year benefits are_

I thought I was being civil? If not, then I apologize. Shrug. But if you put tabloid trash in my inbox again, chances are that I will complain again ;) In a civil manner. If that upsets you, then you can always move on to another thread. On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > >

Re: Give me charity money pleads mother-of-TEN who i nsis ts her £30,000-a-year benefits are '

Dana, As I stated before, if you don't like a thread, don't participate. Practice restraint and ignore it. No need to lecture people and try to influence them on how to think or what to write. Just move on to a topic that you want to participate in civilly. I would try to address your points

Re: Rush isn't really a racist douchebag, really!

For the record, I wasn't indirectly calling you a racist, it was about people being apologists and overly in love with cultural relativism and process. And while I mostly think of myself as a bastard, asshole would certainly apply on occasion, so you'd be forgiven for thinking so. That being said

Re: Rush isn't really a racist douchebag, really!

To be absolutely, positively, Colorado mountain stream, crystal clear: my intent is not to justify his joke. It was stupid, crude, in extremely bad judgment and probably harmful for the reasons G states in his summary of view points. I neither condone racism nor racist jokes. If you actually re

Re: Rush isn't really a racist douchebag, really!

I didn't mean to imply that you agreed with me, just that you summarized my view fairly well with your answer. On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:53 PM, GMoney wrote: > > Well for the record, my statement was interrogative, not declarative :) > > I think there is an argument that you can listen to, enjo

Re: Rush isn't really a racist douchebag, really!

I do believe that it is possible to make an insensitive joke/statement/whatever without being a racist/misogynist/homophobe/whatever. I've been guilty of inadvertent behavior in the past and presumably will be again in the future. The big thing is whether or not you learn from your mistakes and do

Re: Give me charity money pleads mother-of-TEN who i nsis ts her £30,000-a-year benefits are 'n

I think I addressed the "thought police" remark elsewhere; if not let me know. In a nutshell you, sir, can post anything you like. And I can say the anything is pointless all I like, in turn. Right? It's not censorship until I have the power to prevent you from posting. We've had plenty of objecti

Re: Rush isn't really a racist douchebag, really!

Well for the record, my statement was interrogative, not declarative :) I think there is an argument that you can listen to, enjoy, and even tell...jokes with racial overtones, and yet not be a racist. The opposing view might be that any propagation or repetition of biases and stereotypes that f

Re: Rush isn't really a racist douchebag, really!

but they are generally dumb :)- Sent from my iPhone... Don't hate. On Aug 18, 2011, at 4:29 PM, GMoney wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Dana wrote: > >> But you seem to be saying that it's possible to tell a racist joke without >> having racism involved in any way? How? >> > >

Re: Last Place Aversion

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Dana wrote: > yes, that is interesting. I take it that neither keeping the money nor > negotiating with the person at the bottom were permissible options? > I'd guess not. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook

Re: Rush isn't really a racist douchebag, really!

What G said. On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:29 PM, GMoney wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Dana wrote: > > > But you seem to be saying that it's possible to tell a racist joke > without > > having racism involved in any way? How? > > > > WOuld it be possible to recognize the stereotypes

Re: Give me charity money pleads mother-of-TEN who i nsis ts her £30,000-a-year benefits are

exactly. You see my point. And she should also want to pay for the wedding with YOUR TAX DOLLARS. On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:08 PM, GMoney wrote: > > and she should be a lesbian who just wants to get married :) > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Dana wrote: > > > > > yeah yeah. It really

Re: Rush isn't really a racist douchebag, really!

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Dana wrote: > But you seem to be saying that it's possible to tell a racist joke without > having racism involved in any way? How? > WOuld it be possible to recognize the stereotypes that racists apply to the race in question, see how the punchline of the joke p

Re: Rush isn't really a racist douchebag, really!

Don't racist jokes *require* racism? Been a while since I've heard one. In the Southwest, hate flows along ethnic not racial lines. So I guess I am asking. But take a dumb blonde joke. If you specify that the blonde is a member of Mensa and has a PhD from Stanford, then the joke is not only not f

Re: Give me charity money pleads mother-of-TEN who i nsis ts her £30,000-a-year benefits are_

and she should be a lesbian who just wants to get married :) On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Dana wrote: > > yeah yeah. It really should have had a welfare recipient and a union member > in it to be a fair analogy ;) > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:42 AM, GMoney wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Aug

Re: Last Place Aversion

yes, that is interesting. I take it that neither keeping the money nor negotiating with the person at the bottom were permissible options? On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:39 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > "The authors ran a series of experiments where students were randomly > allotted sums of money

Re: Give me charity money pleads mother-of-TEN who i nsis ts her £30,000-a-year benefits are '

yeah yeah. It really should have had a welfare recipient and a union member in it to be a fair analogy ;) On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:42 AM, GMoney wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:05 AM, Dana wrote: > > > > > Do you know that a 10-year-old girl found and presented a vulnerability > at > > D

Re: Give me charity money pleads mother-of-TEN who i nsis ts her £30,000-a-year benefits are '

who's censoring? It's a long way from "why are why re-publishing stories from the British tabloid press" to "thou shalt not" -- well anything at all, really. I understand your position, as I've taken it in the past on other topics. But. For what it's worth. I really don't see the point of the thr

Re: NICE - two in one morning!

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Re: Rush isn't really a racist douchebag, really!

hmmm... if you proliferate racist rhetoric or jokes, or help it live, or get legs, you are in effect a racist. i do not make racist jokes for this reason. nor do i make terroristic threats, for the same reason. On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Chris Stoner wrote: > o ~~

Re: Rush isn't really a racist douchebag, really!

I don't intend to suggest that people have no right to be offended by his comments nor that they have no right to voice their displeasure. I just don't subscribe to the idea that an insensitive joke equates to proof of hatred or malice. The simplest way to sum up my feelings on such is that peopl

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Re: NICE - two in one morning!

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RE: Rush isn't really a racist douchebag, really!

When he has a history of making racist remarks...I think it is safe to make that judgment. There is nothing wrong with making a judgment in regards to someone's character when they make repeated remarks. If this was a one off, then I would agree with you. -Original Message- From: Judah

Re: Rush isn't really a racist douchebag, really!

Well said, as usual, Judah. On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > I love people who think that standards mean having no standards. > > Yes, calling people out for racist behavior is just the same sort of > thing as the racist behavior itself, it's all a judgement. I, > perso

Re: Rush isn't really a racist douchebag, really!

I love people who think that standards mean having no standards. Yes, calling people out for racist behavior is just the same sort of thing as the racist behavior itself, it's all a judgement. I, personally, find that behavior repugnant. And I know that you'll immediately say "calling out racist

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Re: Rush isn't really a racist douchebag, really!

No, it simply makes one a person who told a racist joke. Applying absolute generalizations to people for telling a racist joke or applying generalizations for a person's skin color are both at their core prejudicial. The former is just a prejudice that people are OK with. On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 a

RE: Rush isn't really a racist douchebag, really!

Wouldn't telling a racist joke still make one a racist? -Original Message- From: Chris Stoner [mailto:csto...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 9:16 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Rush isn't really a racist douchebag, really! *Caveat*: I don't care for Rush Limbaugh. I neit

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RE: New IRS rules require PayPal to report sales information

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Re: Rush isn't really a racist douchebag, really!

*Caveat*: I don't care for Rush Limbaugh. I neither like him, hate him nor listen to him. I do not set my moral compass in agreement nor opposition to his, nor do I have any great understanding of his viewpoint other then it's apparently quite conservative and presented in a politico-shock-entert

NICE - two in one morning!

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Re: Give me charity money pleads mother-of-TEN who i nsis ts her £30,000-a-year benefits are 'no

"I absolutely can cast the first stone. I married before I had my kids. My husband came home from Vietnam crazy out of his mind and disappeared for seven years. I went back to school, worked full time while doing so, and raising two pre-schoolers. I paid back every penny of my student loans.

Re: online fax

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Re: New IRS rules require PayPal to report sales information

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Re: Give me charity money pleads mother-of-TEN who i nsis ts her £30,000-a-year benefits are '

"But I would appreciate it if you would refrain from telling me what I can and cannot discuss. I am not fond of censors." AMEN! CAN I GET A WITNESS! J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see li

Re: Rush isn't really a racist douchebag, really!

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:11 AM, Maureen wrote: > > The new Oreo of which Limbaugh spoke is not the "black on the outside, > white on the inside" Oreo used as an insult. It's a triple decker, > with one filling that is white and one that is black. Limbaugh was > referring to Obama's mixed herit

Re: Give me charity money pleads mother-of-TEN who i nsis ts her £30,000-a-year benefits are 'n

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Re: Rush totally isn't racist, remember?

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:38 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > I recall, quite well, people on this list saying that, no, Rush > Limbaugh isn't a racist, he's just an virulently opinionated money > grubbing pill popping asshole. > > So, uh, how about defending his new statement dubbing the new type o

Re: Give me charity money pleads mother-of-TEN who i nsis ts her £30,000-a-year benefits are 'n

If you don't want to read this thread, then don't. If you want to discuss 10 year old who find vulnerabilities, start that thread. But I would appreciate it if you would refrain from telling me what I can and cannot discuss. I am not fond of censors. On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:05 AM, Dana wrot

RE: Rush isn't really a racist douchebag, really!

...because there are so many races that are green or soaked in vinegar Mike? -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:01 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Rush isn't really a racist douchebag, really! Just as a small

RE: Rush isn't really a racist douchebag, really!

Sam? Jerry? -Original Message- From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:44 AM To: cf-community Subject: Rush isn't really a racist douchebag, really! I recall folks on this list who have repeatedly jumped to Rush Limbaugh's defense, claiming

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Re: Give me charity money pleads mother-of-TEN who i nsis ts her £30,000-a-year benefits are 'no

great. Go for it. And now can we move on? I don't know the woman and don't care to defend her but honestly, I don't see the point of the original news story let alone the sharing of it. If the point is to condemn an attitude that is too common, why single this one out by writing news stories abou

Re: Rush isn't really a racist douchebag, really!

The new Oreo of which Limbaugh spoke is not the "black on the outside, white on the inside" Oreo used as an insult. It's a triple decker, with one filling that is white and one that is black. Limbaugh was referring to Obama's mixed heritage. On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Michael Dinowitz wr

Re: Rush isn't really a racist douchebag, really!

Just as a small point with no connection to Limbaugh's usage. The term Oreo is most commonly used BY black people against OTHER black people. It refers specifically to a black person who's actions do not fulfill black stereotypes, whether positive or negative. It is not something you would normall