Speaking of science and facts:
http://science.slashdot.org/story/11/09/13/0252239/Of-Diamond-Planets-Climate-Change-and-the-Scientific-Method
On Sep 13, 2011, at 11:36 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> Heh, I haven't heard anyone mention Popper in quite awhile. Philosophy
> of Science was a fun cl
Heh, I haven't heard anyone mention Popper in quite awhile. Philosophy
of Science was a fun class though, I must admit.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Larry Lyons wrote:
>
> Come now Judah you don't expect most of these people to understand Karl
> Popper and the philosophy of science. That's
That may be true, as much as I totally agree with evolution, it is not a
scientific law...that is why it is still called a theory...
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From: Larry Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 9:27 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: This is silly
>I'll toss in one more item into this (quite good) discussion on
>scientific theory versus a laymans notion of a theory and that is
>this:
>
>A scientific theory not only has explanatory value (it tries to
>explain observed phenomena) it also should have predictive value, ie,
>it should be able to
Come now Judah you don't expect most of these people to understand Karl Popper
and the philosophy of science. That's worth than trying to get people to
understand the concept of theory.
>I'll toss in one more item into this (quite good) discussion on
>scientific theory versus a laymans notion o
>That would be a law. A theory means that here's an idea...I can't prove
>it...but this is what I think happens... It's not a fact Gruss.
>
>I didn't have the heart to tell 'Im. A theory basically means scientific
>fact
>
>
>
>On Sep 12, 2011, at 12:51 PM, William Bowen wrote:
>
>"theory"
>sci
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 1:17 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
> > It's a throwdown!
>
> I just wonder if he sufferers from a memory-loss issue... how can one
> forget his repeated, "I'm leaving now" posts.
>
I think he suffers from more than that. Seriously, I do hope he's gotten
help.
He's in th
That was an amazing video...
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From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 1:13 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Just when I thought there was no hope for the human race
some take it upon themselves to prove me wrong.
bit.ly/nCBk
If a fact isn't a fact for all eternity, then it isn't a fact.
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From: PT [mailto:cft...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 11:05 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: This is silly
A hypothesis can easily be proven wrong. That is the whole idea behind the
scient
That's not what you were saying before G...
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From: GMoney [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 10:13 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: This is silly
Sam is right, a theory and a fact are two different things, according to
science.
On Tue, Sep
Oh shit...Sam and I agree on something...
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From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 10:06 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: This is silly
Folks here are saying a scientific theory is a fact.
Just clarifying
.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at
That was from the dictionary.
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From: William Bowen [mailto:william.bo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 9:31 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: This is silly
You're using the same methodology that creationists do. You're redefining
the word "Theory" outsi
I use you guys for a few sites and your hosting has been pretty solid. My
only issue really is with PDF creation, which seems to want to crap out and
stop producing PDF's a few times a month. Your tech support is pretty good
though.
I do have a question for you. I have some SQL2k db's on your ser
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Scott Raley wrote:
>
> Have you done price comparisons to know the pricing is really good?
Yes and no. The Kosher site doesn't generally list the brand name of
the toys (they explain why in the About Us section) so it makes
comparisons a little tricky, but based
>Yup...for me it was good and cheap basic hosting. I knew I could do
>anything too fancy, but the sites I was hosting there were more
>informational sites more than anything and didn't do anything too complex.
>Most of the stuff I did could have been accomplished with html and
>javascript, but us
Have you done price comparisons to know the pricing is really good?
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From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:26 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Kosher Sex Toys for Orthodox Jews
I love quirky little companies like this. Look
And what color is the sky there?
:P
.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> in my subjective reality.
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Given that all scientists are also laypeople I'd say fact.
For example, is that computer actually in front of you? Well, no, not when you
examine it very closely (below 1x10^-32)
So now do we debate what a fact is? The bottom line is that a theory is
predictive until it's not and, even when
Jup.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Greg Morphis wrote:
>
> Is that the guy who said he was going to end it all and that life had
> nothing left for him? Or something like that? On CF-Talk no less
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Medic wrote:
>
> >
> > He's clearly got some issues. I've
Is that the guy who said he was going to end it all and that life had
nothing left for him? Or something like that? On CF-Talk no less
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Medic wrote:
>
> He's clearly got some issues. I've pinged him off list a few times to try
> to
> convince him, for the sake of
He's clearly got some issues. I've pinged him off list a few times to try to
convince him, for the sake of his career, so take a break from his crazy
posts. Especially the ones where he calls out a number of companies for
being unprofessional.
Pot, meet kettle.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 1:19 PM, J
Yes, his posts seem to prove de-evolution pretty succinctly.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:06 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
>
> (Blatant thread jack)
> Actually, something that just made me laugh was the message that just
> came in on the CF-Jobs list.
>
> Hatton
>
>
i want to know more about a the one eyed casper the ghost costume.
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What I loved was the different typeds of people involved. Some looked
like construction workers, some looked like students, one woman looked
like a business woman...amazingly touching.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Vivec wrote:
>
> Crap...he lived?
> Wow.
>
> He seemed..well..dead when he was
Crap...he lived?
Wow.
He seemed..well..dead when he was under the car.
Incredible. They all saved a life working together.
On 13 September 2011 14:26, Ras Tafari wrote:
>
> amazing how i get my news FASTER on FB, than any media outlet, or this
> list anymore.
> this is old news lol.
>
> either
Yea..If I remember correctly, the engine compartment on fire is nto as
bad since most cars these days have electronic fuel pumps and no other
fule will be pumped to engine.
However.the motorcycle (and its gas tank) was also on fire. :D
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Ras Tafari wrote:
>
>
amazing how i get my news FASTER on FB, than any media outlet, or this
list anymore.
this is old news lol.
either way, i guess i was always scared that cars would just BLOW UP,
but they dont, and
once you realize that... helping somone becomes less scary.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Ray Cha
Yeah, saw this on FB this morning. Amazing stuff.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Erika L. Rich wrote:
>
> Just saw this on the news a few minutes ago. Amazing. Great story.
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> >
> > some take it upon themselves to prove me wrong.
Awesome. thanks for sharing that.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Erika L. Rich wrote:
>
> Just saw this on the news a few minutes ago. Amazing. Great story.
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Just saw this on the news a few minutes ago. Amazing. Great story.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> some take it upon themselves to prove me wrong.
>
> bit.ly/nCBkST
>
> In my almsot 20 years in EMS I never saw anything close to this level
> of concern/bravery/etc fro
some take it upon themselves to prove me wrong.
bit.ly/nCBkST
In my almsot 20 years in EMS I never saw anything close to this level
of concern/bravery/etc from 'bystanders'. This is simply amazing.
--
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Okayglad i asked before I responded :)
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote:
>
> That I am mad. Sad. Angry. Confused.
>
> I do not understand such evil.
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 1:35 PM, GMoney wrote:
> >
> > What exactly are you saying with this post, Jerry?
> >
>
That I am mad. Sad. Angry. Confused.
I do not understand such evil.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 1:35 PM, GMoney wrote:
>
> What exactly are you saying with this post, Jerry?
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote:
>
>>
>> If anyone wonders why I support the war on terror and
What exactly are you saying with this post, Jerry?
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote:
>
> If anyone wonders why I support the war on terror and against
> terrorists, it is because of tools like these.
>
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/09/13/pakistan.school.bus.
If anyone wonders why I support the war on terror and against
terrorists, it is because of tools like these.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/09/13/pakistan.school.bus.attack/index.html?hpt=wo_c2
Firing rockets at kids on a schoolbus. Cowards.
~~
It is a fascinating bit of codependency.
"You're all bastards and I'm leaving forever!"
"I've always loved you, baby, and I'd never want to leave"
I think he's in an abusive relationship with CFML
Judah
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:17 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey
wrote:
>
>> It's a throwdown!
>
> I
> It's a throwdown!
I just wonder if he sufferers from a memory-loss issue... how can one
forget his repeated, "I'm leaving now" posts.
And for those who don't know what we're talking about, do a search at
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs/ for the second name. I'm
not going to type i
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:06 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey
wrote:
>
> (Blatant thread jack)
> Actually, something that just made me laugh was the message that just
> came in on the CF-Jobs list.
Yesterday I was thinking that Neil Jiang is the new Michael Firth, but now I
see Firth stepping up to the
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Vivec wrote:
> Wlll...
> If things got really bad and it made good economic sense who knows?
Anything is possible, but I think it's pretty far fetched right now.
-Cameron
...
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> Basically, when a theory is presented many scientist set out to
> disprove it.
Which is *precisely* what they are supposed to do, and even encouraged
to do by the scientific method.
--
will
"If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be unacceptable."
- Carrie Fish
I love quirky little companies like this. Looks like they've got
really good prices too.
My favorite bit in this article (which is actually taken from a NY
Post article):
Orthodox Rabbi Shmuley Boteach: "The greatest misconception in pop
culture is that religious people are pious in bed. In fac
A hypothesis (usually) takes place within the context of a given experiment.
When you set up an experiment, you have a hypothesis about some
observable phenomena. The experiment should be designed to detect a
difference between a background state and some behavior that you hope
to observe and the
I disagree as do many scientists. Like the one that made the bet with
Hawking when he presented his theory on black holes. If he believed it
to be fact he wouldn't have made a bet against it.
Basically, when a theory is presented many scientist set out to
disprove it. Over time it maybe considere
Well, yeah, that should have said: A scientific theory basically represents
a layperson's "fact".
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Sam wrote:
>
> And then there's folks that say this:
>
> I didn't have the heart to tell 'Im. A theory basically means scientific
> fact - GG
>
> .
>
> On Tue, Se
And then there's folks that say this:
I didn't have the heart to tell 'Im. A theory basically means scientific
fact - GG
.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:28 AM, GMoney wrote:
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Sam wrote:
>
>>
>> The difference between a layman's theory and a scientific theory
I'll toss in one more item into this (quite good) discussion on
scientific theory versus a laymans notion of a theory and that is
this:
A scientific theory not only has explanatory value (it tries to
explain observed phenomena) it also should have predictive value, ie,
it should be able to make v
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> Wlll...
> If things got really bad and it made good economic sense who knows?
>
> I believe it has been explored in a few Science Fiction novels and games.
>
> Here is a non-scientific analysis :
>
> http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/16/wha
Wlll...
If things got really bad and it made good economic sense who knows?
I believe it has been explored in a few Science Fiction novels and games.
Here is a non-scientific analysis :
http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/16/what-would-happen-if-texas-did-secede/
On 13 September 2011 11:55,
(Blatant thread jack)
Actually, something that just made me laugh was the message that just
came in on the CF-Jobs list.
Hatton
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A hypothesis can easily be proven wrong. That is the whole idea behind
the scientific method. The goal is to prove them to be incorrect guesses.
Theories are hypotheses that have not, as of yet, been proven wrong even
after repeated testing and observation. They can be considered fact in
as
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Ras Tafari wrote:
>
> the AFC west hasnt beaten us in 7 games now.
>
> thats impressive enough.
>
> our D-line is brutal. our running attack was great, hayward-bey needs
> to break a leg
> or something... he's not the real deal. and they need to get Taiwan
> Jo
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> And anyway, this is why I asked if there were any credible research done on
> the fallout and outcomes if a few larger states secede.
I would think that entire idea is a total non-starter except for in some
pretty extreme circles. You might fi
the AFC west hasnt beaten us in 7 games now.
thats impressive enough.
our D-line is brutal. our running attack was great, hayward-bey needs
to break a leg
or something... he's not the real deal. and they need to get Taiwan
Jones more in the mix.
he's our dark horse.
not to mention we have ter
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Vivec wrote:
> Have there been any analysis online of what would happen if the larger US
> States did split off?
>
This is called the EU.
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Great, then we are all on the same page regarding what a Scientific Theory
is and why it is different to any other random theory.
On 13 September 2011 11:28, GMoney wrote:
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Sam wrote:
>
> >
> > The difference between a layman's theory and a scientific theor
They won't be super powers.
And as it stands, China is moving heavily into the Caribbean. They are
offering 2B US$ in loans to Caribbean islands at a 2% rate of return, or 2%
or 10 years and Natural Gas for the other 10.
Right now the US is nowhere in all this and seems content to cede the
Engli
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Ras Tafari wrote:
>
> but the D looked solid... the offense was able to get those late 4th
> qrtr 1st downs (running!!) and overall looked great!
>
Raiders are pretty solid...anytime you win in Denver, even against a suspect
Broncos team, it's impressive.
McFa
but the D looked solid... the offense was able to get those late 4th
qrtr 1st downs (running!!) and overall looked great!
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:13 AM, GMoney wrote:
>
> If they cut out the 80 penalties, they wouldn't be the Raiders.
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson wr
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Sam wrote:
>
> The difference between a layman's theory and a scientific theory is
> more research behind the theory. That doesn't make it true, just more
> convincing. And of course scientific theories usually generate an
> influx of experiments to prove it wro
Yeah, your island will be much better off with China and Russia as the
only superpowers.
.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> Actually for the rest of the world breaking up the United States may not be
> a bad idea.
>
> As it stands being the world's only Superpower it simply ha
Yes but do you?
A theory is believed to be true but not totally proven and
susceptible, maybe even waiting, to being proven wrong
A law is assumed proven and is considered fact. Something can happen
to change that but it is extremely rare.
The difference between a layman's theory and a scientif
If they cut out the 80 penalties, they wouldn't be the Raiders.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote:
>
> I bowed out to sleep at halftime, but from what I read, they looked
> even better in the second half.
>
> Cut out those 80 penalties, and WOW!
>
> Jerry
>
>
~~
Sam is right, a theory and a fact are two different things, according to
science.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> Scientific Theory is fact at the time that the Scientific Theory holds.
>
> This is what the observations show, empirically, as far as we know right
> now.
>
> By
Scientific Theory is fact at the time that the Scientific Theory holds.
This is what the observations show, empirically, as far as we know right
now.
By way of the Scientific Process, these Scientific Theories can be improved,
disproved, or replaced as new information becomes available.
So in o
Folks here are saying a scientific theory is a fact.
Just clarifying
.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> What's your point?
> No one is arguing that over time theories cannot be improved, disproved
> or deprecated by new empirical evidence.
> So what's your point?
>
> On 13 S
Actually for the rest of the world breaking up the United States may not be
a bad idea.
As it stands being the world's only Superpower it simply has way too much
control and say in world affairs.
If it were split up then it would spend as much time fighting within itself
and have much less time
What's your point?
No one is arguing that over time theories cannot be improved, disproved
or deprecated by new empirical evidence.
So what's your point?
On 13 September 2011 10:49, Sam wrote:
>
>
> http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-most-famous-scientific-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-wrong.php
>
http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-most-famous-scientific-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-wrong.php
ColdFusion made the list:)
Ooops, maybe it's called a theory because it's not a fact?
Even Stephen Hawkins recently admitted his theory about black holes is wrong.
I noticed even laws don't always sur
no.. :)
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> Was it jQueryUI? :D
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Scott Stewart
> wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Someone on here (or talk) mentioned a JQuery based library, that
>> created the same kind of controls that Ext did.
>> I think
You're using the same methodology that creationists do. You're
redefining the word "Theory" outside of the context of the scientific
method.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:56 AM, Eric Roberts
wrote:
>
> I would say that the dictionary agrees with me...nowhere does it say that it
> is a proven fact.
Was it jQueryUI? :D
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Scott Stewart
wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> Someone on here (or talk) mentioned a JQuery based library, that
> created the same kind of controls that Ext did.
> I think it was called JQEasy...
>
> anybody recall?
> sas
>
> --
> --
> Scott Stewart
>
Hey all,
Someone on here (or talk) mentioned a JQuery based library, that
created the same kind of controls that Ext did.
I think it was called JQEasy...
anybody recall?
sas
--
--
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no question!!! WHAT A NIGHT!!!
they can actually score, and the D looked GREAT!
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote:
>
> I bowed out to sleep at halftime, but from what I read, they looked
> even better in the second half.
>
> Cut out those 80 penalties, and WOW!
>
> Jerr
I bowed out to sleep at halftime, but from what I read, they looked
even better in the second half.
Cut out those 80 penalties, and WOW!
Jerry
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On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Vivec wrote:
> "Paul was asked if Perry should get credit for Texas' job growth. Not only
> did Paul say no, he said that under Perry, his taxes have doubled, the
> state's debt has tripled, and 170,000 of the state's new jobs were
> government jobs.
>
But to P
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/12/ron-paul-rick-perry-texas-jobs-gop-debate_n_959326.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp0009
"Paul was asked if Perry should get credit for Texas' job growth. Not only
did Paul say no, he said that under Perry, his taxes have doubled, the
state's debt has tripled, an
What science has that sets it well apart from Religion is the scientific
method and process that goes into Theories.
This is why the two cannot be taught side by side, or with any true relation
to each other.
They are completely separate.
Eric, here is a better definition of a SCIENTIFIC theory
Wow again.i'll let people smarter than me set you straight, if they want
to bother.
I quit arguing awhile back with people who could not separate a "theory"
from a "scientific theory"if they can't do something so simple, a
discussion on scientific theory is pretty much impossible.
On Tue
I would say that the dictionary agrees with me...nowhere does it say that it
is a proven fact...in fact is says that it is an unproven assumptiona
speculation. As I said...a theory would be "hey this is how I think things
work. I can't prove it 100%, but this is how I think it works" Like t
That sounds more like a hypothesis than a theory.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Eric Roberts
wrote:
>
> That would be a law. A theory means that here's an idea...I can't prove
> it...but this is what I think happens... It's not a fact Gruss.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Gruss Gott
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Eric Roberts <
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> That would be a law. A theory means that here's an idea...I can't prove
> it...but this is what I think happens... It's not a fact Gruss.
>
>
BWAHAHAHAAHAHAH!!!
Is that honestly your definition of a sci
That would be a law. A theory means that here's an idea...I can't prove
it...but this is what I think happens... It's not a fact Gruss.
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Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:47 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: This is silly
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