Chicago to be evacuated during the NATO summit?

2012-04-26 Thread LRS Scout
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/04/25/milwaukee-red-cross-told-to-prep-for-chicago-evacuation-during-nato-summit/ http://theintelhub.com/2012/04/26/city-of-chicago-and-the-secret-service-tell-milwaukee-red-cross-to-prepare-to-evacuate-chicago-during-nato-summit/ This on the heels of both CAG and

Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

2012-04-26 Thread LRS Scout
I think it depends on what you're watching. There are some great shows out there, HBO, Showtime and AMC all have great series going. The Big Bang theory has brought back intelligent comedy. However I think that there are way more garbage reality shows out there screwing up the noise to signal ra

Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

2012-04-26 Thread Maureen
I disagree about television. I think the quality of scripted TV programming - not the reality crap - is far superior than anything in the 80s or 90s. Plus, there a lot of free alternatives to pop culture. No one is forced to watch TV. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > >

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-26 Thread LRS Scout
thing? >> >> On 4/26/2012 11:55 PM, Dana wrote: >> > >> > >> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120426/14505718671/insanity-cispa-just-got-way-worse-then-passed-rushed-vote.shtml >> >> >> ~

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-26 Thread LRS Scout
wrote: > > Bloody hell. They better slow down before they get a lot of attention. > Are they behind on paying off their masters or something? > > On 4/26/2012 11:55 PM, Dana wrote: > > > > > http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120426/14505718671/insanity-cispa-just-got-way-

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-26 Thread PT
Bloody hell. They better slow down before they get a lot of attention. Are they behind on paying off their masters or something? On 4/26/2012 11:55 PM, Dana wrote: > > http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120426/14505718671/insanity-cispa-just-got-way-worse-then-passed-rushed-vote

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-26 Thread Dana
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120426/14505718671/insanity-cispa-just-got-way-worse-then-passed-rushed-vote.shtml On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 8:36 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Makes me feel all warm and safe.. > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:32 PM, Dana wrote: > >> >

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-26 Thread LRS Scout
Makes me feel all warm and safe.. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:32 PM, Dana wrote: > > An amendment to cispa allows information to be shared without a > warrant if there is a risk of harm to any person. > > no I am not kidding. > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 8:24 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > > > I'm

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-26 Thread Dana
An amendment to cispa allows information to be shared without a warrant if there is a risk of harm to any person. no I am not kidding. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 8:24 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > I'm sure they will find away around warrants. > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:04 PM, PT wrote: > >> >> > D

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-26 Thread LRS Scout
I'm sure they will find away around warrants. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:04 PM, PT wrote: > > > Don't worry, State and Federal governments surely won't do anything with > > these boxes. I can't imagine cash strapped states pulling the box during > > inspection, cross checking speed with speed

Re: Why you should care about CISPA

2012-04-26 Thread LRS Scout
CSC and SAIC, not surprised at all. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Dana wrote: > > not that this is surprising but assuming that any of the following is > true, here's the answer to my last question. It sounds plausible but > I'd normally check when Alternet is a source. No time right now >

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-26 Thread PT
> Don't worry, State and Federal governments surely won't do anything with > these boxes. I can't imagine cash strapped states pulling the box during > inspection, cross checking speed with speed limit and gps data, and then > writing tickets for any violations. This sounds like it would fall un

Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

2012-04-26 Thread Dana
good points On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 7:32 PM, PT wrote: > > Well, to be fair, a lot of these are probably intended to keep > parks/places from turning into semi permanent soup kitchens. > > Now, what is intended and what is being done are likely very different > in some cases. > > I like the one

Re: Why you should care about CISPA

2012-04-26 Thread Dana
not that this is surprising but assuming that any of the following is true, here's the answer to my last question. It sounds plausible but I'd normally check when Alternet is a source. No time right now though. http://www.alternet.org/story/154977/revealed%3A_cispa_--_internet_spying_law_--_pushe

Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

2012-04-26 Thread PT
That sounds like the entirety of western civilization, except maybe the military part. Also, when has pop music been about anything but self indulgence? It is a product that sells itself while selling other stuff. It has become more blatant about promoting/reinforcing the I want it -> I nee

Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

2012-04-26 Thread PT
Well, to be fair, a lot of these are probably intended to keep parks/places from turning into semi permanent soup kitchens. Now, what is intended and what is being done are likely very different in some cases. I like the one where the law specifies within a certain distance of city hall. (par

Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

2012-04-26 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Rome is burning people." There are a lot of similarities between a declining Rome and the USA in its current state. Government taking care of the poor to keep them happy. Public spectacles to keep the poor distracted (professional sports and crappy TV). Moral decline of the citizens (have you l

New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-26 Thread Jerry Barnes
New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015 (CBS News) A recently passed bill will require all cars to come equipped with "black boxes" that record vehicle data. These Event Data Recorders (EDR), similar to their airplane counterparts, will record data such as speed, brake force and electric

Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

2012-04-26 Thread LRS Scout
Day by day and inch by inch Rome is burning people. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "I mean who needs to actually know how to feed people." > > > Three arrested, accused of illegally feeding homeless: > > http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-06-02/news/os-homeless-

Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

2012-04-26 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I mean who needs to actually know how to feed people." Three arrested, accused of illegally feeding homeless: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-06-02/news/os-homeless-feedings-arrests-20110601_1_group-feedings-feedings-in-public-parks-ordinance Bloomberg Strikes Again: NYC Bans Food Do

Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

2012-04-26 Thread Erika L. Rich
Yeah never mind the big equipment, dump truck at 13, combines, hay balers, unloading the hay wagons, shooting at gophers with the .22 ... duh. Stupid government. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:57 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Never mind actually killing and butchering them. > > Learned with chickens at

Re: Why you should care about CISPA

2012-04-26 Thread Dana
I was around. Although they would not need to monitor the list specifically, just set up some google alerts I think that the legislators trying to pass the bill may in good faith believe that they are improving security. Why do they think that, is my question and why are they being encouraged

Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

2012-04-26 Thread LRS Scout
I actually had something of a touching moment with my Dad the other night, and we do not have a very close relationship, but I thanked him for teaching me to grow things, to fight, to fish, to drive a standard, to shoot, and a great many other things. It was weird. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 1:05 P

Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

2012-04-26 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
Wait, why are we talking about Poland? =) I agree. That work was transformative, and fun (to be honest). Even as I bitched about it at the time, looking back it was awesome. This is silly. And hopefully not really true. I haven't had a chance yet, but with the history of "not quite at all true"

Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

2012-04-26 Thread LRS Scout
It's all good though, I'm gonna be in demand when the asteroid hits, or the poles shift. haha On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 1:00 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > Yeah, agreed way over rated. > > I mean who needs to actually know how to feed people. > > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Brian Thornton wrote:

Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

2012-04-26 Thread LRS Scout
Yeah, agreed way over rated. I mean who needs to actually know how to feed people. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Brian Thornton wrote: > > Guns and manual labor Why should anyone need to know those things.. > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:57 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > > > Never mind actua

Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

2012-04-26 Thread Brian Thornton
Guns and manual labor Why should anyone need to know those things.. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:57 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Never mind actually killing and butchering them. > > Learned with chickens at an early age how to jerk/snap the neck. > > Filleting fish? > > Used to pull bales at my un

Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

2012-04-26 Thread LRS Scout
Never mind actually killing and butchering them. Learned with chickens at an early age how to jerk/snap the neck. Filleting fish? Used to pull bales at my uncles place. Shoot stuff too. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Same here. I even drove Granddaddy's big combine, a

Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

2012-04-26 Thread Maureen
Same here. I even drove Granddaddy's big combine, and certainly spent a lot of time with the animals. Is it considering hurting the animal to milk the cow? Or brand cattle? I've done both of those. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Erika L. Rich wrote: > > I'm so glad this wasn't in effect wh

Re: Why you should care about CISPA

2012-04-26 Thread LRS Scout
Well we know for a fact that this list is monitored, from past events involving the Secret Service, not sure if you were around back then. Like I said earlier, I don't see CISPA adding anything to useful to the mix, but I would hazard to guess they think that through filtering and other data mini

Re: Why you should care about CISPA

2012-04-26 Thread Dana
Sticking to the CISPA topic for a moment -- ok, it makes sense that they would scrub the classified parts of the data. So what capability does CISPA give anyone that they did not have before? Try as I might, I keep coming back to the idea that you'd draw attention to yourself by discussing certai

Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

2012-04-26 Thread LRS Scout
Werd!!! On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Erika L. Rich wrote: > > I'm so glad this wasn't in effect when I was a kid. I started doing all > this at 9 until my 20's. Driving tractors (my first tractor at age 9 was a > John Deere 4010), feeding livestock, helping run machinery, holding calves >

Re: Why you should care about CISPA

2012-04-26 Thread LRS Scout
The way OSAC worked was that we, the Gov't side, had the clearance. We would scrub, or clean, the data that we wanted to distribute, to ensure it didn't contain anything that could point to sources or methods. It's a balancing act. You don't want to disclose the source, human or technical, but

Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

2012-04-26 Thread Erika L. Rich
I'm so glad this wasn't in effect when I was a kid. I started doing all this at 9 until my 20's. Driving tractors (my first tractor at age 9 was a John Deere 4010), feeding livestock, helping run machinery, holding calves for vet inspection, bailing hay, helping build barns, you name it. Damn. tho

Re: Why you should care about CISPA

2012-04-26 Thread Dana
Yes. I thought the part about needing to crowdsource to even identify the language was interesting too. I see your point, Tim, that something like stuxnet might require a source to be protected -- except that stuxnet is widely discussed at security conferences and apparently is not classified. Of