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2012-06-13 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
Work decided to send me to a conference in Cincinnati. Nice town ya got here, any suggestions on what to do on a Thursday night if one is staying downtown with no car. Hatton ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://

Re: New Music Tuesday

2012-06-13 Thread Judah McAuley
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions wrote: > > These guys have been blowing it up around here. Mirk will put the spring > back in your step for sure!!! > > > http://www.mirkmusic.com/_1./MIRK-Home.html Mirkins? Heh. Best band-followers-name evar. Judah

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread Sam
It sounds like you said the government is helping the schools screw the people? . On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 4:09 PM, PT wrote: > > Back in the 60's/70's, SC subsidized public colleges to the tune of > something like 80 cents or more per dollar of expenses.  I believe that > number is in the low t

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread PT
Back in the 60's/70's, SC subsidized public colleges to the tune of something like 80 cents or more per dollar of expenses. I believe that number is in the low teens now. The burden of the difference has been shifted to the student. The federal government offers to pick up some of the slack

RE: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread Eric Roberts
No...only the richest would get in. Eric Roberts Owner/Developer Three Ravens Consulting ow...@threeravensconsulting.com http://www.threeravensconsulting.com tel: 630-881-1515 -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13,

RE: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread Eric Roberts
I have heard several. Maybe stop listening to conservative only Jerry and you might hear a whole bunch of people complaining about just this. Eric Roberts Owner/Developer Three Ravens Consulting ow...@threeravensconsulting.com http://www.threeravensconsulting.com tel: 630-881-1515 ---

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread Judah McAuley
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:01 PM, GMoney wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > >> >> Education is not a free market. It's heavily subsidized, by federal money, >> and by loans. If it were a finance based free market, you'd only get to go >> to school if you had th

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread Sam
http://inflationdata.com/inflation/inflation_articles/Education_Inflation.asp Yet, the main reason tuition continues to rise is a dramatic change that took place regarding the Federal Stafford Loan more than a decade ago. When Uncle Sam opened the floodgates to government-backed student loans with

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 3:01 PM, GMoney wrote: > I see your point. The subsidization interrupts the normal reduction > in demand that would usually accompany the rise in price. It would interrupt a free market, but since it's not a free market, it's not interrupting anything. I don't think a p

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread GMoney
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > Education is not a free market. It's heavily subsidized, by federal money, > and by loans. If it were a finance based free market, you'd only get to go > to school if you had the money or could prove you were good for a loan. In > an i

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:55 PM, GMoney wrote: > I don't think there's an education bubble anywhere near as egregious as > the housing bubble. > Bookmarking this. I hope you are right. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldf

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:50 PM, GMoney wrote: > So what's to be said about a commodity who's demand goes UP, when > it's price goes UP? What would a free market say about such a commodity? > Education is not a free market. It's heavily subsidized, by federal money, and by loans. If it were a f

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread GMoney
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > This is *exactly* a parallel > to the housing bubble, where people who had no business owning a house (or > as much house) were able to get a loan that they were never going to be > able to pay back. > I would say similar, but with a

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread Cameron Childress
From: http://bit.ly/L8cpwS "the IRS can take the borrower’s income tax refund until the defaulted loan is paid in full. [...unless...] The borrower has filed for bankruptcy." But in a very practical sense, if you can't pay your student loan, you probably aren't making much money or getting much

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread GMoney
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > The cost of tuition during this period has risen 750%. I have yet to hear > a well known pundit or politician take on the industrial educational > complex about their rising costs. They all want to make access to loans > easier and more

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > All these points are interesting and worthy of discussion. However, > none of them seem to address the reason why? Why are there so many loans? > Why are they necessary? > > The cost of tuition during this period has risen 750%. Agreed,

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
All these points are interesting and worthy of discussion. However, none of them seem to address the reason why? Why are there so many loans? Why are they necessary? Since 1983, the consumer price index has risen 150%. The cost of health care has risen 450% in the same period. According to s

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread Judah McAuley
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > You can, and you should pay your loan off, and I am totally completely fine > with having them at a very low interest rate. But again, this has zero to > do with the rate. It could be perpetually pegged to inflation, or less, or > zer

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:01 PM, GMoney wrote: > Why can't it still be a loan? With little or no interest? > > I'd be fine a zero interest rate, and a long payoff period. A > college graduate is going to be much more likely to be a net positive on > society in many aspects, especially economical

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
net positive in a number of ways, just in taxes or in total economic value alone its a major payback to society. Remember a good percentage of those are not pottery weaving majors, but those getting degrees in the sciences, engineering or CS. Again net contributors to society. On Wed, Jun 13, 20

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread GMoney
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > Access to education I can get behind, but in that case why call it a loan? > This implies that it will be paid back and that expectation is really > what's creating the problem here. People aren't able to pay it back. > > If it isnt g

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread Judah McAuley
I don't like my student loans but I think it is important that I pay them back. I made an investment in myself and I've still got over a decade to go to pay them back but I think that it is also worthwhile. Overall, I felt like that was a pretty poor article. The author didn't address any of the

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread Ray Champagne
WaitI wasn't supposed to pay back my student loan? Why wasn't informed? I wasted thousands! On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > Access to education I can get behind, but in that case why call it a loan? > This implies that it will be paid back and that expectatio

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread Cameron Childress
Access to education I can get behind, but in that case why call it a loan? This implies that it will be paid back and that expectation is really what's creating the problem here. People aren't able to pay it back. If it isnt going to be paid back, and we don't care if it's going to be paid bac

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread GMoney
I guess i disagree. I think there SHOULD be access to cheap money, when the aim is education, and i have NO problem with my tax dollars subsidizing such a thing. In fact, i can think of little today that would provide a more beneficial return on my investment, than educating my countrymen. On We

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
It seems with student loans there are two issues. First there are the degree mills. Students going to private for profit colleges, carry a larger debt load and are more likely to default. Take care of that and most of the issues with student loans go away. by severely limiting availability, that

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread Cameron Childress
Wow - what better way to prove the point of the article, which was that the problem IS NOT THE RATE. THE PROBLEM IS EASY ACCESS TO THE MONEY. Yet, every single response is about the rate. Misdirection achieved, we are truly doomed to repeat history. -Cameron On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:46 AM, C.

Re: New Music Tuesday

2012-06-13 Thread Judah McAuley
That's awesome. I'm volunteer staff at Pickathon for the last 6 years. It's held at the farm of good friends of mine, where I held my wedding. Really an amazing festival, quality all around and more like a big family gathering than a normal music festival. One of the highlights of my year, every y

Re: More evidence that corporations run the world.

2012-06-13 Thread Vivec
If you can think of a better sensationalist line I am all ears :) On 13 June 2012 10:53, GMoney wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Vivec wrote: > > > > > That dystopian future that everyone talks about? It's here. > > > > Then i've been grossly misinformed about "dystopia".it aint

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> > "Absent congressional action, the interest rates on federally subsidized > student loans will double to 6.8 percent on July 1. Both President Barack > Obama and former Gov. Mitt Romney have urged Congress to act before that > deadline, but no one seems willing to state the obvious: The problem

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > anyone who has an outstanding student loan may see their payments > easily double or triple if there is no agreement. It seems that there > are some who just want to see the world burn. I don't think the article has an opinion about inte

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
At least I can say I paid mine off years ago. So no surprises now at least for us. These days its just pieces of the house blowing up that sort of thing. On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:42 AM, GMoney wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > >> >> It seems that there are so

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread GMoney
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > It seems that there are some who just want to see the world burn. > My favorite line from that movie...but you have to say it in the Michael Cain voice. ~| Order the

Re: More evidence that corporations run the world.

2012-06-13 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > I for one am welcoming our new corporate masters. > And our GPS Tracking Chip with Near Field communication abilities. Finally, I'll be able to skip the fanny pack while jogging in my spandex! ~~

Re: US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
anyone who has an outstanding student loan may see their payments easily double or triple if there is no agreement. It seems that there are some who just want to see the world burn. On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > "Absent congressional action, the interest rates on

Re: More evidence that corporations run the world.

2012-06-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I for one am welcoming our new corporate masters. On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:53 AM, GMoney wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Vivec wrote: > >> >> That dystopian future that everyone talks about? It's here. >> > > Then i've been grossly misinformed about "dystopia".it aint that bad

US Education - The Next Bubble

2012-06-13 Thread Cameron Childress
"Absent congressional action, the interest rates on federally subsidized student loans will double to 6.8 percent on July 1. Both President Barack Obama and former Gov. Mitt Romney have urged Congress to act before that deadline, but no one seems willing to state the obvious: The problem is not th

Re: More evidence that corporations run the world.

2012-06-13 Thread GMoney
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Vivec wrote: > > That dystopian future that everyone talks about? It's here. > Then i've been grossly misinformed about "dystopia".it aint that bad at all. -- At the last supper, honey Make sure you get something to eat ~~

RE: More evidence that corporations run the world.

2012-06-13 Thread Eric Roberts
That is bullshit and needs to be stopped. The more shit I see like this, the more I believe the only way we are going to get back on track is a revolution. I am losing faith that non-violent protest is going to have any effect. Really sad situation. This is not what I served to protect...rathe

More evidence that corporations run the world.

2012-06-13 Thread Vivec
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/13/obama-trade-document-leak_n_1592593.html?utm_hp_ref=daily-brief?utm_source=DailyBrief&utm_campaign=061312&utm_medium=email&utm_content=NewsEntry&utm_term=Daily%20Brief That dystopian future that everyone talks about? It's here. "Under the agreement curren

Re: Where is MySQL

2012-06-13 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
there is a separate command line program, mysqldump, that handles mass import and export, including data and/or structure (and users and other things) I cannot go 2 days in a row without using mysqldump. http://linuxcommand.org/man_pages/mysqldump1.html "The dump contains SQL statements to creat

Re: Socialist or Fascist?

2012-06-13 Thread Sam
You mean when he said this? The growing number of children encompassed by a wider and looser definition of autism has been trumpeted across the land through the media as an "epidemic" of increasing numbers of cases of autism. Before 1990, 1 child out of 2,500 was said to be autistic. This year, i

Re: Where is MySQL

2012-06-13 Thread morchella
i found: show create table tablename; but there has to be a way to do a db with all tables and data. On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Maureen wrote: > > There are some tools that do that. I use SQLyog - just right click on > the table name and it will create the select, insert, update or de