Re: A brief primer

2007-09-18 Thread Larry Lyons
>like ooommg !!111 they had flashlights!!!111 > > >> And enough ANFO (ammonium nitrate + fuel oil) for 3 McVey type bombings. They were real serious I suspect. ~| ColdFusion is delivering applications solutions at at top compan

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-18 Thread Larry Lyons
> >> I can't speak for Mexico but there have been in Canada as well as > Germany, > > > >I'd be interested in reading about any documented case of a muslim > >terrorist attack on Canada. I'm not saying it didn't happen - but > if > >you can find some news article or story about such an attack, p

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Simon Horwith
;> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 8:27 PM >> To: CF-Community >> Subject: Re: A brief primer >> >> you're thinking of the now defunct CFDJ-List. >> I've occasionally posted on the lists, but I've been really busy so >> it's >> not t

RE: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Loathe
Good to hear man, hope you're well. > -Original Message- > From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 8:27 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: A brief primer > > you're thinking of the now defunct CFDJ-List. > I&#

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Dana
I think that's what you recommended. The question was something along the lines of "I have a ginger root here, and what's a good thing to do with it?" LOL. I like Indian food also. Just not quite as much as Thai ;) Dana On 9/17/07, Simon Horwith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > yeah - I believe you

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Simon Horwith
yeah - I believe you wanted a recipe for Daal or Rajma, or some other Indian dish (I love to cook Indian). ~Simon Simon Horwith Adobe Community Expert Adobe Certified Master Instructor http://www.horwith.com Dana wrote: > you answered a question of mine about cooking with ginger once. And >

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Dana
like ooommg !!111 they had flashlights!!!111 On 9/17/07, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I can't speak for Mexico but there have been in Canada as well as Germany, > > > >I'd be interested in reading about any documented case of a muslim > >terrorist attack on Canada. I'm not saying i

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Dana
you answered a question of mine about cooking with ginger once. And yes I think it was several years ago. On 9/17/07, Simon Horwith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > yeah. Larry should know. He was there. > sorry Larry - I just had to say it ;) > I'm just having fun today... after YEARS of trolling t

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Simon Horwith
thanks, Larry. By the way - I wasn't questioning the validity of your statements... just jumping at the opportunity to call you an old man ;) ~Simon Simon Horwith Adobe Community Expert Adobe Certified Master Instructor http://www.horwith.com Larry Lyons wrote: >> yeah. Larry should know.

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Robert Munn
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Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Larry Lyons
>yeah. Larry should know. He was there. >sorry Larry - I just had to say it ;) >I'm just having fun today... after YEARS of trolling the list. I can't >remember the last time (before today) that I posted on the community >list - it's been several years, I'm sure. Wasn't there, just had a fana

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Michael Dinowitz
The kibbutz movement was heavily socialist which probably says a lot to why there was such Soviet support for the creation of Israel. Problem for the Soviets was that Israel wasn't Marxist and saw its socialism as a component of society, not the whole of it. Later on the Soviet Union found it bette

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > THis is exactly the flaw in our thinking pre-9/11. Terrorism is not a > criminal activity. It is an explicitly political activity. These people are > at war with us whether we care to admit it to ourselves our not. Dude. We're not doing shit with fighting terrorism in Iraq. No

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Simon Horwith
Message - > From: "Simon Horwith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 8:14 PM > Subject: Re: A brief primer > > > >> yeah. Larry should know. He was there. >> sorry Larry - I just had to say i

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Chesty Puller
tember 17, 2007 8:14 PM Subject: Re: A brief primer > yeah. Larry should know. He was there. > sorry Larry - I just had to say it ;) > I'm just having fun today... after YEARS of trolling the list. I can't > remember the last time (before today) that I posted on the

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Larry Lyons
>> I can't speak for Mexico but there have been in Canada as well as Germany, > >I'd be interested in reading about any documented case of a muslim >terrorist attack on Canada. I'm not saying it didn't happen - but if >you can find some news article or story about such an attack, please >share, I'

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Michael Dinowitz
> > It actually lists numerous acts of international terrorism, none of > which seem to be muslims attacking canada. There have also been a number of arrests concerning planned terrorist attacks, but luckily they were found out at planned. That article refers, of course, to an alleged terrorist

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Simon Horwith
yeah. Larry should know. He was there. sorry Larry - I just had to say it ;) I'm just having fun today... after YEARS of trolling the list. I can't remember the last time (before today) that I posted on the community list - it's been several years, I'm sure. ~Simon Simon Horwith Adobe Commun

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Larry Lyons
>> Yes. Britain and the UN legally created Israel. > >In large part, in my opinion, due to the influence of the United States. What do you mean? In the UN debates on the creation of Israel in 1947 and 1948, the US was strongly against the creation of Israel. The Truman government was against th

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Michael Dinowitz
On 9/17/07, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ha! so it is like Internet Marketing! I'd say more but then I'd have to kill you. The upcoming issue of FAQU (already printed) has poison in the ink so that people reading my "Making Google Pay II - Layout and Ad Positioning" will die by the

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Rick Root
On 9/17/07, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Terrorism_in_Canada > I'm sure they have some references. The very first line of the wikipedia article: "Terrorism in Canada primarily consists of fundraising for terrorist attacks outside of the cou

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Jerry Johnson
Ha! so it is like Internet Marketing! BTW, sorry for being so harsh. I did not take the time to reread my post before it flew (was late for my walk before dinner, and was hungry. Fat and hungry is not a good combination for clear writing). Had I had a chance to edit it a little, I would not have p

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I have one hand on my comic machine dealing with 227 gig of (local) comics. I've got my other hand on my main machine looking at work I can't motivate myself to do. My third is doing things you don't want to know about and my forth has gone forth. I'm not taking this more seriously than I do most a

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Simon Horwith
ah - I'm just egging you on with those answers, Michael... so please don't spend any significant amount of time thinking about anything I write on the matter. I don't really take any of this too seriously. I've prayed in mosques, temples, gurdwaras, mandiras, and churches... and I have every rig

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Michael Dinowitz
On 9/17/07, Simon Horwith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > would the fact that you're helping to perpetuate this thread be proof > enough? As I was about to remind Dana about stealing her position, I am the evil one (blessed be me) :) I tease. I tease. > Nobody is disputing that Jews have had it b

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Michael Dinowitz
On 9/17/07, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > Yes, it is silly. That's the point. Look at it all and tell me that it's > not > > silly. > > How about I look at you and tell you its nuts? And you're wrong? Go for it. Make the case that I'm nuts. Show how I'm

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Judah McAuley
For the record, those are Michaels questions and not mine. Good answers though :) Judah Simon Horwith wrote: > would the fact that you're helping to perpetuate this thread be proof > enough? > I tease. I tease. > Nobody is disputing that Jews have had it bad, as have many (most) > peoples - s

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Dana
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 5:46 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: A brief primer > > > > Just as a note, the post below was sarcasm, pitiful though it was. > > > > On 9/17/07, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Simon Horwith
would the fact that you're helping to perpetuate this thread be proof enough? I tease. I tease. Nobody is disputing that Jews have had it bad, as have many (most) peoples - some worse than others. To answer Judah's questions: "As for a homeland for all, where does it end?" It doesn't. "How many

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Just as a note, the post below was sarcasm, pitiful though it was. On 9/17/07, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, I advocate us pulling out of the middle east. If *almost* everyone in > Iraq wants to kill each other, let them. If Iran wants to invade Iraq, let > them. If Al Queda

RE: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Loathe
McAuley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 4:48 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: A brief primer > > Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > Yes, it is silly. That's the point. Look at it all and tell me that > it's not > > silly. > > H

RE: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Loathe
Ah isn't life grand? > -Original Message- > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 5:46 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: A brief primer > > Just as a note, the post below was sarcasm, pitiful though it was

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Dana
hmm. was it supposed to be my position? On 9/17/07, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just as a note, the post below was sarcasm, pitiful though it was. > > On 9/17/07, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Yes, I advocate us pulling out of the middle east. If *almost* ev

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Rick Root
On 9/17/07, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > In large part, in my opinion, due to the influence of the United States. > > False Thanks for that convincing argument. > > You're suggesting that the jewish people have always been in control of > > Isreal? > > No, but they've liv

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Dana
how many of the people who were beheaded were heads of state, hmmm? Just because the country may seem a bit bijou from here, doesn't mean that they don't have their own very effective national security. On 9/17/07, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/17/07, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Michael Dinowitz
On 9/17/07, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's hard to know what to make of that story, since we don't know what > these articles instigating terrorism might be. But the idea that > someone "might" be thinking of beheading the prime minister strikes me > as a bit keystone cop-ish. How many

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Yes, I advocate us pulling out of the middle east. If *almost* everyone in Iraq wants to kill each other, let them. If Iran wants to invade Iraq, let them. If Al Queda wants to take over Saudi Arabia (their stated goal), then let them. If Hizballah wants to start another war, let them. If the Arabs

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Robert Munn
There have been terrorist attacks by Islamic terror groups in: Spain, Britain, Saudi Arabia, Kenya, Tanzania, Indonesia, Malaysia, The Philippines, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Turkey, Egypt, Algeria, Russia, Morocco, Kuwait, Georgia, Armenia, Israel, Yemen, Peru, India, China, France, Argentina, Somalia

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Endless? I see one usage of it and more than one mention that it was used to force people to look outside of the 'standard' box. Israel has become too easy an excuse. Jews have become too easy an excuse. America has become too easy an excuse. Iraq has become too easy an excuse. My statement is sill

RE: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Loathe
> To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: A brief primer > > how many of the people who were beheaded were heads of state, hmmm? > Just because the country may seem a bit bijou from here, doesn't mean > that they don't have their own very effective national security. > > On

RE: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Loathe
Subject: Re: A brief primer > > To tell the truth Michael, I think you are a little sad in your "the > world hates Jews" endless diatribe. It is a bit pitiful. > > You didn't say "people hate Jews standing up". You said "Everyone > hates Jews standing

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Do you mean attempted or succeeded? I guess I can look up attacks against heads of state and subtract all of the shootings, stabbings, bombings and such to see if any have only been beheaded. Or are you making a pun about be-heads of state? ;) On 9/17/07, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > how m

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Dana
It's hard to know what to make of that story, since we don't know what these articles instigating terrorism might be. But the idea that someone "might" be thinking of beheading the prime minister strikes me as a bit keystone cop-ish. On 9/17/07, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/1

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Jerry Johnson
To tell the truth Michael, I think you are a little sad in your "the world hates Jews" endless diatribe. It is a bit pitiful. You didn't say "people hate Jews standing up". You said "Everyone hates Jews standing up." Which I think is a patently silly statement. Try at all to support _that_ argum

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Rick Root
On 9/17/07, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can't speak for Mexico but there have been in Canada as well as Germany, I'd be interested in reading about any documented case of a muslim terrorist attack on Canada. I'm not saying it didn't happen - but if you can find some news artic

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Judah McAuley
Michael Dinowitz wrote: > Yes, it is silly. That's the point. Look at it all and tell me that it's not > silly. How about I look at you and tell you its nuts? And you're wrong? I support the existence of Isreal. I think they are a great ally. I'm quite a fan of Judaism and Jewishness in general.

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Michael Dinowitz
On 9/17/07, Rick Root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/17/07, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > In large part, in my opinion, due to the influence of the United > States. > > > > False > > Thanks for that convincing argument. In November 1917, the British government issue

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Michael Dinowitz
On 9/17/07, Rick Root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/17/07, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I can't speak for Mexico but there have been in Canada as well as > Germany, > > I'd be interested in reading about any documented case of a muslim > terrorist attack on Canada. I'm not

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I can't speak for Mexico but there have been in Canada as well as Germany, Spain, Italy, etc. Oh, don't forget Sudan. It's not just America. FAR from it. As for Israel, America wasn't its sole or even primary benefactor in the beginning. America increased its support to Israel once they saw tha

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Yes, it is silly. That's the point. Look at it all and tell me that it's not silly. On 9/17/07, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And that is just silly. > > "Everyone"? Really? > > On 9/17/07, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It undermines > > Christianity. It undermines

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Jerry Johnson
And that is just silly. "Everyone"? Really? On 9/17/07, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It undermines > Christianity. It undermines Islam. It undermines just about every social or > religious theology. Jews are not supposed to win. We're supposed to convert, > be submissive, disappe

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Michael Dinowitz
On 9/17/07, Rick Root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/17/07, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes. Britain and the UN legally created Israel. > > In large part, in my opinion, due to the influence of the United States. False > I shouldn't even say that since it's really just recognitio

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Rick Root
On 9/17/07, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > them. Are you really, seriously going to pretend like the U.S. is the only > target of their violence? I said no such thing, but terrorist attacks on India and China and the Philippines have nothing to do with the destruction of western civiliza

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Rick Root
On 9/17/07, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes. Britain and the UN legally created Israel. In large part, in my opinion, due to the influence of the United States. > I shouldn't even say that since it's really just recognition of what the > country was for thousands of years. You're sugges

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Jerry Johnson
And none of that actually has anything to do with any of it. The real reason we are the target is: we are the chosen target. Their press and their politicians and their religious demagogues hold up the USA as the source of all of their problems, from acne to bad breath to unemployment and world h

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Rick Root
On 9/17/07, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > can't be bought off or bargained with. Their stated goal is the destruction > of Western civilization and the creation of a world-wide Islamic state. Exactly how many times have Arab terrorists attacked Mexico or Canada? Sure they say they want

RE: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Loathe
> To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: A brief primer > > On 9/17/07, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > can't be bought off or bargained with. Their stated goal is the > destruction > > of Western civilization and the creation of a world-wide Islamic > stat

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Vivec
" People want to talk about how we are fighting terror, and since terror doesn't have a nation we can't win. " Oh? Who's saying that? not me.And I can't recall anyone else saying it either. Are you misinterpreting lack of support for Military action in this specific instance for there being no

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Robert Munn
THis is exactly the flaw in our thinking pre-9/11. Terrorism is not a criminal activity. It is an explicitly political activity. These people are at war with us whether we care to admit it to ourselves our not. Sticking our heads in the sand will not make the problem disappear. These people can't

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
Maybe you should go back further in your history to get a better perspective on the struggle. You mention the "western world" a time or two, and that struggle has been going on for ages. It's also important to note that the muslim world, during the time of saladin practiced religious tolerance ev

Re: A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
And since we went to war with piracy, piracy no longer exists..or does it? http://www.noonsite.com/General/Piracy/PiracyReports2006 On 9/17/07, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How far back should we go? Rome and middle east, the destruction of the > temple? Europe, the crusades and the

A brief primer

2007-09-17 Thread Loathe
On our history and relationship with Arab/Islamic nations. I've been thinking about the peace movement and the people involved. Some of the people I know through this list, in real life, whatever, are very against the war(s). I wonder how this can be. With our history, thousands of years of con