Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-08 Thread G Money
Yeah, i think you might have missed that one...i knew Sam was around 50. On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Sam wrote: > > Nope. > > . > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Maureen wrote: > > > > That's not what you said last time you discussed your age. You > > claimed to be in your thirties. So

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-07 Thread Sam
Nope. . On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Maureen wrote: > > That's not what you said last time you discussed your age.  You > claimed to be in your thirties.  So whose facts are we really > discussing her ~| Order the Adobe Col

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-07 Thread Maureen
That's not what you said last time you discussed your age. You claimed to be in your thirties. So whose facts are we really discussing here. On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Sam wrote: > > I was born in 1961 so as usual your facts suck :P > > . > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Maureen wrote

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-07 Thread Casey Dougall
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Sam wrote: > > I was born in 1961 so as usual your facts suck :P > > . > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generations_%28book%29 Gen X is ousted by everyone else because we're unlucky 13, yet in our case we are also Nomad/Reactive and once we start taking office you

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-07 Thread Sam
I was born in 1961 so as usual your facts suck :P . On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Neither.  I was stating a fact. > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 6:00 AM, Sam wrote: >> >> Are you asking me a question or as usual just telling me your superior >> opinion? > ~

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-07 Thread Maureen
Neither. I was stating a fact. On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 6:00 AM, Sam wrote: > > Are you asking me a question or as usual just telling me your superior > opinion? > > . > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:51 AM, Maureen wrote: >> >> Unless you were born before 1964, which I seriously doubt, you aren't

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-07 Thread Gruss Gott
Robert Munn wrote: > In many ways, we're in the same position as the Soviets were then. > What are we going to do, wait until the whole thing implodes like they > did? We'll make some attempts at reform, sure. But we'll fail because > the system is broken. And it comes down to the same damn thing

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-07 Thread Sam
Amazing how much Change can happen in two years. Wait and see what the next two bring. . On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 4:32 AM, Robert Munn wrote: > > Funny how the Chinese, being a command-and-control economy, > over-invested in real estate. I've been thinking for a few weeks now > that the US has,

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-07 Thread Sam
Are you asking me a question or as usual just telling me your superior opinion? . On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:51 AM, Maureen wrote: > > Unless you were born before 1964, which I seriously doubt, you aren't > a boomer by any definition. > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Sam wrote: >> >> I'm a b

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-07 Thread Sam
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:41 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > All that money you (and all of us) made buying and selling homes > starting in the 90s was actually borrowed money. The housing bubble started in 2001. I had 20% for my home in 2001 and went to pick one out and the prices went up 100k. I sav

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-07 Thread Robert Munn
One other thing. What the hell do happens when the Chinese economy implodes? Global depression. On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 9:41 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > Interestingly, it's playing out in a bizzarro way in China. > > Because they have a command economy it's their government that's > actually putting

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-07 Thread Robert Munn
Funny how the Chinese, being a command-and-control economy, over-invested in real estate. I've been thinking for a few weeks now that the US has, by dint of globalized competition that favors huge enterprises dominating vast swaths of the global economy, and by the regulatory capture of the govern

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Maureen
Unless you were born before 1964, which I seriously doubt, you aren't a boomer by any definition. On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Sam wrote: > > I'm a boomer. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/A

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Gruss Gott
Robert Munn wrote: > > And true to form he is spending us into a situation where the bank is > going to cut up off our credit And I'm back to agreeing with everything Robert says. All that money you (and all of us) made buying and selling homes starting in the 90s was actually borrowed money.

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Robert Munn
And true to form he is spending us into a situation where the bank is going to cut up off our credit and we're all going to end up living in a flea bag hotel with whores and drunks, like where the Kurgan stayed in Highlander. Just like that. On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Sam wrote: > > And Oba

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Sam
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aJHKNW1lro9Y Gotta love this bit: If the GAO issued a report that added together data for nine hot dog stands and General Electric Co., and found that 90 percent of companies didn't pay any tax, it would be a harmless and silly thing to do.

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Sam
Beats the old way wasting time as a community organizer. . On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Medic wrote: > > Good God, that's actually a really good idea. Leadership v1.0 or iLead for > mac users. > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusio

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Sam
Good point, I forgot old people were racist and young folk aren't. Eventually all the greedy racist will die and we'll all get along and hang out in fields listing to concerts and doing acid. Wait, that already happened. . On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Casey Dougall wrote: > > yes > > Racism

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Casey Dougall
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Medic wrote: > > Good God, that's actually a really good idea. Leadership v1.0 or iLead for > mac users. > > government-idol. Might get some more votes if you included TXT all you can eat. ~| O

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Vivec
And just so you don't lose the plot: If those major companies are not paying taxes, you cannot argue that taxes are preventing them from expanding, or hiring more workers. On 6 April 2011 21:36, Vivec wrote: > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-devin/many-us-corporations-not_b_135104.html > > "

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Vivec
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-devin/many-us-corporations-not_b_135104.html "Americans learned that many corporations, including those with assets over $250M, reported no tax liabilities. In fact, from 1998-2005, " So your point is irrelevant. The corporations that could contribute the most

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Casey Dougall
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Sam wrote: > And Obama 's a boomer so we have a few more election cycles before > young folks turn old and they can do it better because ... nevermind. > yes Racismis still a large part of our problems because of who? not X and Y. while it's most likely still go

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Medic
Good God, that's actually a really good idea. Leadership v1.0 or iLead for mac users. On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Sam wrote: > > I hear you can gain all the experience necessary to run the country > from a video game. > > . > > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Medic wrote: > > > > What's

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Sam
I hear you can gain all the experience necessary to run the country from a video game. . On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Medic wrote: > > What's it matter anyway. Gen Y is here to save us! Oh, right, they're the > apathetic generation who doesn't give a shit about working... they just want > t

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Sam
Now your'e taking GG's silliness to a whole new level. Labels are so tidy. . On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Casey Dougall wrote: > > Plus it's not cool to live in a previously owned home anymore so they > continue to build when it's not needed. > > Who's to blame there? Not us... Think X-er's

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Sam
And Obama 's a boomer so we have a few more election cycles before young folks turn old and they can do it better because ... nevermind. . On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > The boomers are to blame, Sam, you can't escape your generation's > fecklessness. Don't look at me, I

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Sam
No April Fools’ joke, U.S. now world’s highest corporate taxer http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2011/03/31/no-april-fools-joke-u-s-now-world%E2%80%99s-highest-corporate-taxer/ Now show me yours. . On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:54 PM, Vivec wrote: > > America's largest corporations a

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Medic
What's it matter anyway. Gen Y is here to save us! Oh, right, they're the apathetic generation who doesn't give a shit about working... they just want to use facebook and read FML. On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Casey Dougall < ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Casey Dougall
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > The boomers are to blame, Sam, you can't escape your generation's > fecklessness. Don't look at me, I wanted to reform Social Security > twenty years ago. I'm an X-er and I bought my first house in 1996 for > $175K. I sold it two years later

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Robert Munn
The boomers are to blame, Sam, you can't escape your generation's fecklessness. Don't look at me, I wanted to reform Social Security twenty years ago. I'm an X-er and I bought my first house in 1996 for $175K. I sold it two years later for $265K. I bought my second house for $300K, sold it for $50

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Casey Dougall
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Medic wrote: > > > > > Nope. In 1995 people put down 20% of there homes value to buy it. > > Years later 0% down and no interest for five years became the norm. > > Like when Gen-xers started buying homes. You know, the ones that > > didn't get spanked but sent to

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Vivec
America's largest corporations are NOT paying anywhere near those rates. So I have to say that your argument isn't relevant, the reality is quite different. On 6 April 2011 19:50, Sam wrote: > No, but I think I read that the US just became the highest corporate tax rate. ~~

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Medic
> > Nope. In 1995 people put down 20% of there homes value to buy it. > Years later 0% down and no interest for five years became the norm. > Like when Gen-xers started buying homes. You know, the ones that > didn't get spanked but sent to time-out. The ones that didn't keep > score so as to not i

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Sam
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Vivec wrote: > > Punish them with taxes? > Are you aware that the largest corporations in America pay almost ZERO > tax right now? No, but I think I read that the US just became the highest corporate tax rate. > After what happened in the Financial market you are

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Vivec
Punish them with taxes? Are you aware that the largest corporations in America pay almost ZERO tax right now? After what happened in the Financial market you are still promoting LESS regulations? You have not yet realised that a capitalist economy only functions properly to the benefit of all wh

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Sam
I'm a boomer. Carlin is mocking himself. . On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Considering I am probably the only actual Baby Boomer on this list, I > will state that I don't find any of the below applies to me or my > peers, but more to those born in the 60s and 70s - the so-c

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Sam
That's too obvious :) . On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Jeff Garza wrote: > > Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] wrote: >> Blame whomever you like, but you're going back to 1999.  hey!  party like > it's 1999! > > Now if we could just maybe reduce the size of government to 1999 levels we

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Sam
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > Beginning in about 1995 (give or take) people started borrowing bunch, > which meant spending, which mean more borrowing which meant more > spending! Nope. In 1995 people put down 20% of there homes value to buy it. Years later 0% down and no

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Maureen
I stand corrected. If George said it, it must be true. On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:10 PM, G Money wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Maureen wrote: > >> >> Considering I am probably the only actual Baby Boomer on this list, I >> will state that I don't find any of the below applies to me

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread G Money
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Considering I am probably the only actual Baby Boomer on this list, I > will state that I don't find any of the below applies to me or my > peers, but more to those born in the 60s and 70s - the so-called Me > Generation. And most boomers are w

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Maureen
Considering I am probably the only actual Baby Boomer on this list, I will state that I don't find any of the below applies to me or my peers, but more to those born in the 60s and 70s - the so-called Me Generation. And most boomers are way past middle age and heading for retirement. So I think

RE: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Jeff Garza
Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] wrote: > Blame whomever you like, but you're going back to 1999. hey! party like it's 1999! Now if we could just maybe reduce the size of government to 1999 levels we might just be on the right track... ~~~

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: > > Really? Is that what they taught you in Gen-x camp? Stomp your feet > and demand you're right. > > Damn the facts! Nope, they taught me what a loan is. See that the illusion of wealth you have - loans. A home is loan. Beginning in about 1995 (give or take) people started borrow

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Sam
Really? Is that what they taught you in Gen-x camp? Stomp your feet and demand you're right. Damn the facts! . On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Sam wrote: >> >> BS. In the last two years everything has changed. >> > > In a decade we have zero to negative growth when you a

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: > > BS. In the last two years everything has changed. > In a decade we have zero to negative growth when you account for leverage, we have massively expanded government, and we have a sky rocketing deficit. I get they don't they don't teach that stuff at Bush cheerleading camp, but f

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Sam
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Well you make a good point: the system itself *is* mostly sound.  I > would argue that we should really consider putting something in place > that prevents the kick-the-can-down-road policy ease we have now, but, > to your point, the system al

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Sam
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > If you scrub the dates and events from policy positions over the last > 30 years nobody can tell the difference (try it!  Lots of think-tanks > have and the results are all the same). BS. In the last two years everything has changed. > Gove

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Gruss Gott
G Money wrote: > > Why is different necessarily better? > > I'm pretty happy with the system we villains have built, in all honesty...i > think it works pretty well. It will survive all of this, and probably come > out better on the other end. Or, it may come out just the same on the other > end.

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread G Money
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > The truth is we, the voters (and non-voters), are the villains because > we've allowed ourselves to create a system and leadership that > presents the illusion of difference but provides the horror > homogeneity. > > Why is different necessa

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: > > some crap If you scrub the dates and events from policy positions over the last 30 years nobody can tell the difference (try it! Lots of think-tanks have and the results are all the same). Government spending (and size) has grown consistently and we've had zero or negative wealt

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Casey Dougall
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Sam wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > > > (apologies the boomers on this list for my upcoming rant - I'm sure > > you're not included :) > > > Their parents saved America and then raised a bunch of kids who've > > never heard the

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Gruss Gott
G Money wrote: > > Once again, i leave it to The Master to describe the baby boomers: > > The Baby Boomers: whiny, narcissistic, self-indulgent people with a simple > philosophy: "Gimme that! It's mine!" That. Was awesome. ~|

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Sam
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > (apologies the boomers on this list for my upcoming rant - I'm sure > you're not included :) > Their parents saved America and then raised a bunch of kids who've > never heard the word no. You mean Gen-x. Baby Boomers grew up with Father Kn

Re: Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread G Money
Once again, i leave it to The Master to describe the baby boomers: The Baby Boomers: whiny, narcissistic, self-indulgent people with a simple philosophy: "Gimme that! It's mine!" These people were given everything, everything was handed to them, and they took it all, sold it all; sex, drugs, and

Baby Boomers = Generation The Ruined America

2011-04-06 Thread Gruss Gott
Casey Dougall wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Robert Munn wrote: >> >> None of this jockeying matters. Once the dollar is knocked off its >> perch as the world's reserve currency, we're Argentina. (apologies the boomers on this list for my upcoming rant - I'm sure you're not included