Re: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage for children

2007-08-30 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > yes but the New England Journal od Medicine published it. I dfind it > interesting that a rather conservative industry publication would do > that. And yes, I do realize that this paradigm offends your > ideological stance on the subject ;) > My point was that it was an editorial b

Re: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage for children

2007-08-29 Thread Dana
yes but the New England Journal od Medicine published it. I dfind it interesting that a rather conservative industry publication would do that. And yes, I do realize that this paradigm offends your ideological stance on the subject ;) On 8/22/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dana wrot

Re: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage for children

2007-08-22 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > Here's what the New England Journal of Medicine thinks > No, it's what Dr. Hacker, a professor of political science at Yale University, thinks. And his mistake is this line: "the best step may be to require employers either to provide their workers with good private coverage"

Re: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage for children

2007-08-22 Thread Dana
> From: Casey Dougall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:47 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage > > for children > > > > On 8/21/07, C. Hatton Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage for children

2007-08-22 Thread Dana
Blue Cross Blue Shield turned me down once for having asthma. Never mind that it's mild allergic asthma and I've never had an attack... Anyway. I haven't bothered to apply there this time around. The state has a high-risk pool I am not high-risk enough for and a low-income pool I am not low-income

Re: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage for children

2007-08-22 Thread Dana
I know it's not a crime ;) He's a good kid. He has however, previously had a sprained ankle so bad that University of New Mexico ER -- shock trauma for the entire state, so they should their bones -- swore up and down it was broken until it was xrayed. He has also fallen and hit his head hard enoug

Re: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage for children

2007-08-22 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>Even worse, imagine paying $700/mo for full family medical insurance >as a sole proprietor. I did just that for two years when I had my own >business... and that was a DISCOUNTED RATE because I went through a >company that acted as an organizational level for group policies! >Going direct to the

Re: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage for children

2007-08-22 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > It makes me cringe to say this, but Michael Moore is right about our health > care system. It is completely broken. "Four armies are battling to gain control [of health care]: the health insurers, hospitals, government, and doctors. Yet you and I, the people who use the health ca

Re: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage for children

2007-08-22 Thread Robert Munn
It makes me cringe to say this, but Michael Moore is right about our health care system. It is completely broken. I disagree with national health insurance as the solution, though. If a company is poorly run, do investors try and fix it by throwing more money at it? No. The business/operations side

RE: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage for children

2007-08-21 Thread Loathe
See, but we don't all agree it's the obvious decision. > -Original Message- > From: Casey Dougall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:47 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage > for

Re: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage for children

2007-08-21 Thread Casey Dougall
On 8/21/07, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Ditto the kids -- I am pretty sure I make too much for the current > CHIP plan and we're ok at the moment, but in deep trouble if there are > any injuries. Since one skateboards and the other does harate this is > not a theoretical issue. > > Dana

Re: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage for children

2007-08-21 Thread Casey Dougall
On 8/21/07, C. Hatton Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Before you say they shouldn't pay for health coverage of children maybe > you > > should take a look at the other ways government spends money. Like > sending > > congressmen and seniors to Iraq. What's that prove again. Their one or

Re: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage for children

2007-08-21 Thread Dana
I'm not sure of my opinion here. I agree that 82,000 seems a bit high. I will note though that at 62k income total and no insurance it has become a leave-your-job kind of issue for me. I am paying for my own prescriptions and medical equipment rental but I am in big trouble if I need to go to the E

Re: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage for children

2007-08-21 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> maybe I'm just playing the naive here. I have no clue what it takes to > insure a family of 4 so please just look at the following and tell me what > I'm missing. See my previous post, in 2003 and 2004 my HMO plan cost $700/mo for full family coverage for my family of 4. > Before you say they s

Re: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage for children

2007-08-21 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
Comments inline > Well, there is the cost of living, which should be the main factor, and > is usually under-rated by the FED. I mean, depending on where you > are living in NY, 82,000 may well be too poor to afford health care. I live in Buffalo and as a Sr. Application Developer with over 7 ye

Re: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage for children

2007-08-21 Thread Casey Dougall
maybe I'm just playing the naive here. I have no clue what it takes to insure a family of 4 so please just look at the following and tell me what I'm missing. I'm single, I get heath care though my employer for actually nothing out of pocket, (small company too). Maybe I hook up with a girl and sh

Re: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage for children

2007-08-21 Thread Dinner
On 8/21/07, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote: > > > Hey can't let those pesky poor kids get healthy you know, they may grow > up > > to vote for the Democrats. > > My problem with the plan that states are trying to put into place has > to do with the numbers. New York wants the state to provide > healthca

Re: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage for children

2007-08-21 Thread Robert Munn
You can't fault the New York Times, at least they are consistent in trying to push socialism on us! Unfortunately, the people who benefit from socialism is our society are seniors. I would much rather give health care to children, but they don't vote. On 8/21/07, Gruss wrote: > > Bush is taking a

Re: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage for children

2007-08-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> LL wrote: > My my was a wonderful mood you're in this morning. Forget your prozac or > something? > My plan won't cover it. HA! Naw, I just despise the demagoguery on these issues on both sides of the fence. It's just plain cowardly. It annoys the hell out of me when stupid policies are sol

RE: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage for children

2007-08-21 Thread Loathe
CF-Community > Subject: RE: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage > for children > > I hate to argue with a friend, but I agree with whoever wrote that (I > haven't gotten it yet) > > Universal socialized healthcare is not something we sh

RE: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage for children

2007-08-21 Thread Loathe
day, August 21, 2007 11:32 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage > for children > > >> Larry wrote: > >> Hey can't let those pesky poor kids get healthy you know > > > >Oh, that's BS.

Re: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage for children

2007-08-21 Thread Larry Lyons
>> Larry wrote: >> Hey can't let those pesky poor kids get healthy you know > >Oh, that's BS. Bush is taking a stand at stopping the ever-expanding >notion of Universal Health Care and he should. This proposal expands >the coverage from poor *children* to most kids AND their families. > >This is

Re: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage for children

2007-08-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> Larry wrote: > Hey can't let those pesky poor kids get healthy you know Oh, that's BS. Bush is taking a stand at stopping the ever-expanding notion of Universal Health Care and he should. This proposal expands the coverage from poor *children* to most kids AND their families. This is a univer

RE: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage for children

2007-08-21 Thread Loathe
Why should middle income kids get government medical care? > -Original Message- > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:53 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage for > children

Re: Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage for children

2007-08-21 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> Hey can't let those pesky poor kids get healthy you know, they may grow up > to vote for the Democrats. My problem with the plan that states are trying to put into place has to do with the numbers. New York wants the state to provide healthcare for children (anyone aged 24 or younger) in a hous

Bush Administration wants to limit health care coverage for children

2007-08-21 Thread Larry Lyons
Hey can't let those pesky poor kids get healthy you know, they may grow up to vote for the Democrats. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/21/washington/21health.html?ex=1345348800&en=f98ec523f6e60c2c&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss August 21, 2007 Rules May Limit Health Program Aiding Children B