> OK, once again. I am not for shutting down welfare. I am for welfare
> reform so that
>
> 1. Families will not/cannot be on welfare from generation to generation.
> 2. Abuses will be fewer and further between (and more difficult).
This is already in place in every state I've lived in (four)
No really? Thanks for enlightening me about that. A few times I thought of
quitting my job and going on welfare so that I could finally afford that
Lexus.
Over the years, I had reported people but they know the system so well it
did not matter.
I personally feel that if you are getting money fr
OK, once again. I am not for shutting down welfare. I am for welfare
reform so that
1. Families will not/cannot be on welfare from generation to generation.
2. Abuses will be fewer and further between (and more difficult).
Also, as I said, I am not basing this on one or two occurances, I am ba
So report them for welfare fraud. No one on welfare legitimately
would have enough for a Lexus.
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Scott Stroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As I have stated already, that is not what I have seen in my experience.
>
> I have seen people flaunt that they drive a Lexus,
This is a problem with arguing through example. Honestly, I can't say
that I know the statistics these days and research in this area tends
to be biased one way or another, so it is difficult to come to good
numbers.
I'm in favor of trying to deal with loopholes and make the system work
as well as
As I have stated already, that is not what I have seen in my experience.
I have seen people flaunt that they drive a Lexus, yet the government pays
for their food. I have even had patients ask me how it feels knowing that
they have more money in their pocket than I make in a year, yet my taxes ar
In my building alone, I personally know of 3 families that live off welfare,
one of which proudly proclaims that 4 generations have _never_ worked in
their entire lives.
All are of Irish descent, still have a thick almost unintelligible brogue
after 5 generations in Boston, and would steal the cop
The "poor person too lazy to work" is mostly a myth perpetuated by
politicians who scapegoated the "welfare moms" to cover their own
incompetency.
There are people in the system for several generations who have the
mentality of entitlement because that is all they have ever known, but
given a true
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> wrote:
> >
> >> Which is why they then game the Soc. Sec. system by submitting false
> >> documentation that the child has a disability... If it's not one thing
> >> it's
> >> another. I mean, there's a cornucopia of fre
u are
>> patient enough to game the system... Unfortunately some people make a
>> career out of it.
>>
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> patient enough to game the system... Unfortunately some people make a
> career out of it.
>
> -Original Message-
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> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: FW: McCain's Hero: More Socialist Than Obama!
>
> I spent 14 years as
e make a
career out of it.
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I spent 14 years as a paramedic is some of the worst areas of New Jersey. I
have seen more than my fair share of welfa
I spent 14 years as a paramedic is some of the worst areas of New Jersey. I
have seen more than my fair share of welfare families.
In New Jersey a few years back the 'I am going to have another kid so I get
more welfare money' was so bad they passed a law that stated if you were on
welfare and ha
Out of curiosity, have you been on welfare? Cause I don't remember it
being anything like you are describing.
Judah
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Scott Stroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As I said, I have no issue with trying to help those who want to help
> themselves. Welfare, for example, w
As I said, I have no issue with trying to help those who want to help
themselves. Welfare, for example, was never meant to be a way of life, it
was meant to help someone get back on their feet after rough times. But we
have generations of families on welfare with no incentive/initiative to get
of
> Sam wrote:
> Under the Bush tax cuts you got a bigger tax break than others
>
> You can spin it all you want, it's still spin.
>
And under the Bush stimulus plan you got a bigger tax break than me.
You're a wealth redistributer. That's your accusation against
yourself not me.
Thus if you disag
Under the Bush tax cuts you got a bigger tax break than others
You can spin it all you want, it's still spin.
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Sam wrote:
>> You want to pretend no tax cut is a tax increase only to make a
>> ridiculous point. Remember, Bush
> Sam wrote:
> You want to pretend no tax cut is a tax increase only to make a
> ridiculous point. Remember, Bush tax cuts will expire so your taxed
> are going up.
>
It IS a tax increase. The nation has bills and they are paid by
workers. If you get a tax cut and I don't then I've paid more tha
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How? I didn't get a stimulus check and he did.
Why did you assume I did?
> My point is that we are a country that, on principle, redistributes
> wealth through all sorts of various programs on the theory that it's
> an inv
> Scott wrote:
> My biggest problem with the programs designed to help those in need are:
> 1. They don't seem to really help.
> 2. They are abused by people who do not need the services, but are just too
> damned lazy.
>
Couldn't agree more! So do you and I agree in principle that:
1.) Wealth r
1. How was I supposed to know you did not get a stimulus check?
2. What is it was my money that went to Sam?
My biggest problem with the programs designed to help those in need are:
1. They don't seem to really help.
2. They are abused by people who do not need the services, but are just too
damn
> Scott wrote:
> Could he not also argue that the governemtn took form him and gave to you?
>
How? I didn't get a stimulus check and he did.
My point is that we are a country that, on principle, redistributes
wealth through all sorts of various programs on the theory that it's
an investment.
In
> Could he not also argue that the governemtn took form him and gave to you?
No, because in this scenario, Gruss didn't get a stimulus check.
--
will
"If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be unacceptable."
- Carrie Fisher
~~
Could he not also argue that the governemtn took form him and gave to you?
> you owe me your stimulus check because
> the government took it from me and gave it to you.
>
>
--
Scott Stroz
If you can't laugh at other people, who can you laugh at?
> Sammy wrote:
> Do you know the difference between a progressive tax and a tax credit
> for people that don't pay taxes?
>
So how about student loans underwritten for people that don't pay
taxes? How about social security for dependents that didn't pay SS?
How about capital gains tax breaks for
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So how about student loans underwritten for people that don't pay
> taxes?
A loan is paid back. A grant is not and it's a one or two shot deal to
help someone improve themselves and chances are they will give it back
in futur
Do you know the difference between a progressive tax and a tax credit
for people that don't pay taxes?
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From a recent Slate Magazine article:
> http://www.slate.com/id/2202950/
>
> McCain's Hero: More Socialist Than Obama!
> M
thanks for sharing that. I actually feel a little smarter than i did
before I started reading.
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From a recent Slate Magazine article:
> http://www.slate.com/id/2202950/
>
> McCain's Hero: More Socialist Than Obama!
> McCain
>From a recent Slate Magazine article:
http://www.slate.com/id/2202950/
McCain's Hero: More Socialist Than Obama!
McCain can call Obama a socialist or he can call Teddy Roosevelt his hero. He
can't do both.
By Timothy Noah
Posted Thursday, Oct. 23, 2008, at 2:11 PM ET
Imagine that instead of te
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