ya, I saw this on Fox News last night. Bill O'Reilly had an interview
with the girl's mother, who had to say that her daughter should take
the consequences and have the baby. I am rolling my eyes here. The
mother is of course a shining example of good parenting... we don't
know if she lost custody
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Dana wrote:
> I believe the morning after pill may in fact be sold over the counter
> now though -- it was at least proposed, under the name Plan B. I did
> not follow the issue very closely so I am not sure if this was
> nationwide or only New Mexico.
Plan B is a description drug. The FDA is drag
http://nydailynews.healthology.com/nydailynews/15417.htm
http://www.fwhc.org/abortion/medical-ab.htm
On 5/2/05, Adam Haskell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The morning afterpill does not abort it only prevents fertilization. I
> have never seen an abortion pill but I am not an abortion doctor so
> w
that is my understanding of how the pill works so what you are saying
makes sense, but I am no expert either.
Dana
On 5/2/05, Adam Haskell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would imagine progesterone b/c tnhat is what facilitates pregnancy
> and I would assume by boosting these levels the body would
aha, I was under the impression that RU-486 was the morning after
pill. Thanks for the clarification.
Dana
On 5/2/05, Adam Haskell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thank you much sir. I have read up on this drug now..Apperently it has
> been around since 1988 only it was banned by Bush Sr administrat
I think he knew that. But yes, b/c pills do have major side effects
(don't I know it) but the risks are quite low for teenagers,
especially if they don't smoke. Almost always lower than the risks of
a full-term pregnancy. And yes they can be prescribed for reasons of
menstrual cycle.
Bottom line,
I would imagine progesterone b/c tnhat is what facilitates pregnancy
and I would assume by boosting these levels the body would tend to
beleive it is already pregnant and reject anything new from hooking
up, so to speak. By I have been wrong many many times before.
Adam H
On 5/2/05, Dana <[EMAIL
Thank you much sir. I have read up on this drug now..Apperently it has
been around since 1988 only it was banned by Bush Sr administration
only to be brought back into testing in 92 by clinton
adminstration...it was approved in 2000. Oh and it is most effective 7
weeks or earlier :)
http://serendi
Yes, implantation can be prevented by taking four or five regular
pills. I am not sure how many or whether the pills must contain
estrogen or profgesterone, but I know of it being done as an off-label
use.
I believe the morning after pill may in fact be sold over the counter
now though -- it was a
I strongly suspect that obtaining birth control for minors, if legal
in Florida, requires parental consent. And since she is in state
custody this consent would have to come from the state. And you know
that is not happening.
Dana
On 5/2/05, Jochem van Dieten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dana wro
Dana wrote:
> this is true of a large dose of female hormones, usually referred to
> as a morning after pill.
IIRC the pill is a small dose of female hormones and prevents a fertilized egg
from attaching to the womb. The morning after pill is a large dose of female
hormones and prevents ovulatio
> > Do we have any idea on the effects of birth control pills on a
> > developing child of 13 or 14 years of age?
>
> Yes. They result in a significant reduction in the chance of a pregnancy.
I imagine he meant physical/psycological affects...and reactions vary
widely. SOme fairly common affects
Adam Haskell wrote:
> Humm very interesting never had heard of such a thing in the US...
RU-486 was FDA approved a few years ago. It is not sold over the counter.
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well an abortion will ruin the child's life for sure. If it is born,
both lives are likely to be quite unhappy. Which is why I hate the
whole situation. There really is no happy ending at this point, just a
reduction in harm. All I am saying is that the girl may well have had
fewer choices than you
Vivec wrote:
> I don't think Children are responsible enough to have 'safe sex'.
I don't think children care very much for our opinions.
> They should not be having sex, and they are certainly not mature
> enough or responsible enough to have access to birth control pills, or
> to abortion pill
it but I do know someone who at about the 9 week mark
> > took a pill that resulted in losing the fetus. No other details.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Adam Haskell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 3:29 PM
> > To: CF-Com
Well of course in a country where abortions are not illegal, they
could legally be prescribed.
This issue is perhaps going to reach our courts soon.We're still
'young' with regards to many of the issues that larger countries have
already fought with and made decisions on.
On 5/2/05, Ken Ketsdever
Ahh that would explain why I have not heard of such a thing...ebay is
the closest I get to the black market ;)
Adam H
On 5/2/05, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The pills do exist in the US.
> They are sold on the black market, and un-officially in Caribbean
> islands where Abortion is illega
I was under the impression the person I know of went to the doctor and had it
prescribed. I could be wrong.
-Original Message-
From: Vivec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 4:08 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Florida girl has abortion blocked
The pills do exist
The pills do exist in the US.
They are sold on the black market, and un-officially in Caribbean
islands where Abortion is illegal.
They have dual use purposes, one of them is to force an abortion up to
5 or 6 weeks.
Some women prefer this to an invasive physical procedure during this
period when th
What states?
On 5/2/05, William Bowen wrote:
> > ???
>
> In many states in the United States it is illegal for minors to
> purchase or posess birth-control. It is also a crime in some of those
> states to purchase birth control for minors.
>
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> took a pill that resulted in losing the fetus. No other details.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Adam Haskell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 3:29 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Florida girl has abortion blocked
>
> Abortion pi
The morning afterpill does not abort it only prevents fertilization. I
have never seen an abortion pill but I am not an abortion doctor so
who knows. I have not heard of such a thing in the US...
Adam H
On 5/2/05, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There are pills which women can purchase which t
girl has abortion blocked
Abortion pills? Please elaborate on what an abortion pill is...if you
are reffering to the morning after pill please get hyour facts
straight as an abortion does not occur when taking the morning
afterpill.
Adam H
On 5/2/05, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
There are pills which women can purchase which triggers an abortion.
There is also the morning after pill.
On 5/2/05, Adam Haskell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Abortion pills? Please elaborate on what an abortion pill is...if you
> are reffering to the morning after pill please get hyour facts
>
Abortion pills? Please elaborate on what an abortion pill is...if you
are reffering to the morning after pill please get hyour facts
straight as an abortion does not occur when taking the morning
afterpill.
Adam H
On 5/2/05, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't think Children are responsib
> hmm, we've been spared this particular bit of stupidity.
> It's behind
> the counter and you have to ask for it, but that's all, I
> think. I
> also think it's pseudoephidrine that is the substance, by
> the way,
> acetominophen is tylenol.
Yea I know what it is. :) Just seemed like I remembered
I don't think Children are responsible enough to have 'safe sex'.
They should not be having sex, and they are certainly not mature
enough or responsible enough to have access to birth control pills, or
to abortion pills. These are decisions for doctors and parents/ legal
guardians to be making.
> ???
In many states in the United States it is illegal for minors to
purchase or posess birth-control. It is also a crime in some of those
states to purchase birth control for minors.
The "logic" behind these laws is this: If "children" are told about
birth control methods and how to use them, t
Dana wrote:
> And of course the state of Florida in its
> infinite wisdom will have protected her from getting birth control.
???
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I still think the idea that it could possibly happen is there, even if
it's miniscule.
I'm not sure what kind of girl this is, I did sway toward the negative
side before knowing the facts.. And I agree if she doesnt want the
child, it could make the child's life miserable and it could be
ruining th
um. Not. Even one who knows the connection and is not very innocent
will not necessarily believe that it can happen to her. Nor will she
have the, er. what's the word I want, self-confidence? to insist on
the use of condoms, particularly if she is sleeping with someone to
have a place to stay. And
right, but you think she is one of them. This *is* a waste of time,
amusing as it has been to exercise my vocabulary, but it is
interesting the assumptions that you leapt to. If she had sex with
anyone older than she is, it is rape by definition.
::shrug::
As someone said, you are entitled to yo
I disagree Adam, not entirely however I do feel that a 13yr old knows
that she MAY get pregnant if she has unprotected sex. I seriously
doubt that she thinks the delimma all the way through, so in that
aspect I believe you're right. But surely she knows of the possibility
and surely she knows that
Hey, I thought I was doing well to even try to explain it to him. And
without profanity at that :) You know he won't understand it...
::sigh::
Dana
On 5/2/05, Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> More name calling please.
~
Okay Dana you can think that but this is a waste of time. None of us
know the facts behind this outside what we've read through the article
posted. You're right, there may be and there are circumstances that I
would agree with an abortion on (like rape as I said earlier). We
don't know of this girl
Oops, forgot the tag.
On 5/2/05, Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> More name calling please.
>
> On 5/2/05, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > you know what, I kinda like it that you're a weeble that wobbles but
> > won't stay down, because you definitely need a hearty smacking, you
> >
More name calling please.
On 5/2/05, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> you know what, I kinda like it that you're a weeble that wobbles but
> won't stay down, because you definitely need a hearty smacking, you
> oblivious snot-nosed creep.
~
I'd also like to point out that the notion that a 13yr fully
understands the repercutions of having unprotected sex is a bad
notion. I am 23 now and I am only begining to realize the vast
repercutions that could have been had I had a child at 14. No ammount
of education can reach a child. Seriously
Hey all.
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you know what, I kinda like it that you're a weeble that wobbles but
won't stay down, because you definitely need a hearty smacking, you
oblivious snot-nosed creep.
Just because you phrased it as a question doesn't allow you to weasel
out of the fact that you made it clear that this is your opinio
> I don't know the woman and don't condone the behavior, but
> tubal ligation is major surgery and supposing she did not
> have insurance coverage for it and the husband/boyfriend
> /whatever did not want to spend the money it might have
> been out of the question...but the thing to do in this
> si
I did say that but keep reading...
"Why? Because she's a whore? Don't know but unless she was raped, she
chose to have unprotected sex, she chose this option and she has to
deal with the repercussions."
Notice the "Don't know"?
Because she's a whore? is a question, not a statement, and the
followi
hmm, we've been spared this particular bit of stupidity. It's behind
the counter and you have to ask for it, but that's all, I think. I
also think it's pseudoephidrine that is the substance, by the way,
acetominophen is tylenol.
Dana
On 5/2/05, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Especia
> From: Greg Morphis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> You're too funny!
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man, I really hate fishing around for a quote when people deny saying
what they said. Obviously, Greg, you have been to the George W school
of deniability because I suppose no, you didn't *say* it, you *asked*
it. Whatever:
Nope, not a joke. She's ran away a bunch of times, stayed away for a
month
You're too funny! And an idiot to boot!
On 5/2/05, Michael T. Tangorre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > From: Greg Morphis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > See it's called having an opinion, we all have one.. Like it
> > or not, when it comes down to it, who cares?
>
> You know the saying...
> Opinio
I propose mandatory sterilization for everyone. Reproduction will be
per approval of government form 9828-112-223b pending the required
lifestyle observation period. If reproduction approval is granted, it
will result in a vat grown hybridized gene culture which will be
uterine implanted in the hos
> From: Greg Morphis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> See it's called having an opinion, we all have one.. Like it
> or not, when it comes down to it, who cares?
You know the saying...
Opinions are like assholes, we all have them, and they all stink. In this
case, yours wreaks!!! :-)
You didn't Greg?
Why? Because she's a whore?
-Original Message-
From: Greg Morphis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 9:30 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Florida girl has abortion blocked
Nope, not a joke. She's ran away a
See it's called having an opinion, we all have one.. Like it or not,
when it comes down to it, who cares?
On 5/2/05, Greg Morphis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm not being judgemental you retarded bitch ;)
>
> On 5/2/05, Michael T. Tangorre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > From: Dana [mailto:[E
Especially given that the law states (as I understand it in most
places) that the restriction is per transaction... Okay... stand in
line, purchase pills, return to isle, stand in line purchase pills,
return to isle... frustrating, but certainly doesn't prevent a person
from doing exactly what it's
> From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> MTAngry in da house!
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I'm not being judgemental you retarded bitch ;)
On 5/2/05, Michael T. Tangorre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > *his* ignorance does not warrant a reply? He isn't the one
> > calling 13-year-olds whores. Not to mention throwing the word
> > trash around, you
I don't know the woman and don't condone the behavior, but tubal
ligation is major surgery and supposing she did not have insurance
coverage for it and the husband/boyfriend/whatever did not want to
spend the money it might have been out of the question...but the thing
to do in this situation, imho
MTAngry in da house!
Michael T. Tangorre wrote:
>>From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>*his* ignorance does not warrant a reply? He isn't the one
>>calling 13-year-olds whores. Not to mention throwing the word
>>trash around, you judgemental slime. Ha, you think *he's* hostile :)
>
>
> *vir
I didnt call anyone a whore either Dana.. damn you need to take a
breather seriously.. and then go back and reread the post.
On 5/2/05, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> *his* ignorance does not warrant a reply? He isn't the one calling
> 13-year-olds whores. Not to mention throwing the word trash
> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *his* ignorance does not warrant a reply? He isn't the one
> calling 13-year-olds whores. Not to mention throwing the word
> trash around, you judgemental slime. Ha, you think *he's* hostile :)
*virtual hi-five
~~~
*his* ignorance does not warrant a reply? He isn't the one calling
13-year-olds whores. Not to mention throwing the word trash around,
you judgemental slime. Ha, you think *he's* hostile :)
Dna
On 5/2/05, Greg Morphis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Michael, your ignorance doesnt warrant a reply, so
> From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Unfortunately, that seems to be the way laws are made as I
> noticed this weekend when I tried to buy allergy medicine for
> my daughters and myself. I was told I could only buy 1
> allergy product at a time because there's a new law put in
> p
Forcing a child to have a child is not punishment. Your ideal of what
punishment is slightly ascue in my opinion of course...What will
happen with this child..it wil have a broken life and end up the same
just propagating the broken habits. Our supreme court ruled not long
ago we could not put a ju
Unfortunately, that seems to be the way laws are made as I noticed
this weekend when I tried to buy allergy medicine for my daughters and
myself. I was told I could only buy 1 allergy product at a time
because there's a new law put in place to keep meth-heads from buying
a bunch of ingredients for
> I met a woman once who used it as a form of birth control.
> She had had 7
> abortions when I met her. Her husband/partner/whatever did
> not like
> using condoms and she was afraid of the pill. A vasectomy
> was out of the
> question. I was surprised she was able to continue getting
> pregnant.
From: Greg Morphis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 11:15 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Florida girl has abortion blocked
A little hostile there Michael.. It's only Monday, so take a chill pill.
As I'm not a woman, no I do not know if
> From: Erika L Walker-Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I met a woman once who used it as a form of birth control.
> She had had 7 abortions when I met her. Her
> husband/partner/whatever did not like using condoms and she
> was afraid of the pill. A vasectomy was out of the question.
> I wa
Michael, your ignorance doesnt warrant a reply, so I'll leave it alone..
On 5/2/05, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> From: Greg Morphis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> I didnt say that everyone who has an abortion is a bad
> >> apple.
> >> Don't put words in my mouth.. or on my scre
>> From: Greg Morphis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> I didnt say that everyone who has an abortion is a bad
>> apple.
>> Don't put words in my mouth.. or on my screen.
>> I said "That's a good point.. but when do you draw the
>> line
>> between being a bad person? How many pregnancies do you
>> allow
I met a woman once who used it as a form of birth control. She had had 7
abortions when I met her. Her husband/partner/whatever did not like
using condoms and she was afraid of the pill. A vasectomy was out of the
question. I was surprised she was able to continue getting pregnant.
For the record
> From: Greg Morphis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> A little hostile there Michael..
LOL. Suck it up.
>It's only Monday, so take a chill pill.
My response to ignorance does not discriminate based on the day of the week.
> As I'm not a woman, no I do not know if women "like" to have
> abortions,
A little hostile there Michael.. It's only Monday, so take a chill pill.
As I'm not a woman, no I do not know if women "like" to have
abortions, but I have heard of women having several.. using it as a
means of birth control.
On 5/2/05, Michael T. Tangorre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > From: Gr
thank you
On 5/2/05, Michael T. Tangorre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > From: Greg Morphis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > I didnt say that everyone who has an abortion is a bad apple.
> > Don't put words in my mouth.. or on my screen.
> > I said "That's a good point.. but when do you draw the line
> From: Greg Morphis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I didnt say that everyone who has an abortion is a bad apple.
> Don't put words in my mouth.. or on my screen.
> I said "That's a good point.. but when do you draw the line
> between being a bad person? How many pregnancies do you allow
> her to
I didnt say that everyone who has an abortion is a bad apple. Don't
put words in my mouth.. or on my screen.
I said "That's a good point.. but when do you draw the line between being a
bad person? How many pregnancies do you allow her to abort before it's
no longer bad decisions, just a bad apple?"
I really think that he meant using abortion as a form of birth control
makes one a bad apple. Wouldn't you agree? I think you're taking the
statement a little too literally.
Ray
Dana wrote:
> I don't believe I am hearing this. Anyone who has had an abortion is a
> bad apple? My God. What righ
Point of reference - I was reading a bit about this last night and the
head of the DCF personally made the decision to go to court to see
that this happens. Great priorities Florida, wahoo.
Dana
On 5/2/05, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Interesting, are you at all outraged (upset? mif
I don't believe I am hearing this. Anyone who has had an abortion is a
bad apple? My God. What right-wing self-satisfied universe do you live
in?
Dana
On 5/2/05, Greg Morphis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's a good point.. but when do you draw the line between being a
> bad person? How many pr
She's 13. She's been removed from her parents' custody, and there's a
distinct possibility that it was because she was being sexually
abused. While I don't want to be the pluperfect liberal bleeding heart
-- I hate abortion, actually -- this girl is only just barely old
enough to *maybe* be respons
Interesting, are you at all outraged (upset? miffed?) that the Florida
DHS seems to keep losing children? (this case, the teenagers found
imprisoned and starved in their guardians' home while the guardians
were picked up in Utah, and countless others) And to compund it, when
they do lose kids, ther
Funny - I was just writing an opinion that is pretty much what Mike T
said. SO, thanks, Mike, saved me the trouble!
I really don't want to debate this, as there is no "right" answer.
Besides that, it is Monday, and I have way too much to do. Guess I
should have thought about that when I wrote
> From: Greg Morphis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> That's a good point.. but when do you draw the line between
> being a bad person? How many pregnancies do you allow her to
> abort before it's no longer bad decisions, just a bad apple?
I'd say until the government spends as much money on sex/hea
That's a good point.. but when do you draw the line between being a
bad person? How many pregnancies do you allow her to abort before it's
no longer bad decisions, just a bad apple?
On 5/2/05, Ray Champagne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's ridiculous. What about the kid? Should that kid be su
That's ridiculous. What about the kid? Should that kid be subjected to
a shitty childhood and neglect because of a bad decision on her part?
Greg Morphis wrote:
> Nope, not a joke. She's ran away a bunch of times, stayed away for a
> month and then gets pregnant. Why? Because she's a whore? Don
Nope, not a joke. She's ran away a bunch of times, stayed away for a
month and then gets pregnant. Why? Because she's a whore? Don't know
but unless she was raped, she chose to have unprotected sex, she chose
this option and she has to deal with the repercussions.
What's the old saying? "You made y
I certaintly hope that was a joke...if it is not I am disgusted, if it
is a joke please be mroe clear about it...
Adam H
On 5/2/05, Greg Morphis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That girl needs to be punished, I think it's the right thing to do.
>
> On 5/2/05, C. Hatton Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
That girl needs to be punished, I think it's the right thing to do.
On 5/2/05, C. Hatton Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Apparently the judge wasn't too happy about it.
> http://news.lp.findlaw.com/ap/o/632/04-29-2005/e97b000ade80e413.html
>
> I can't find specific reference to the legisla
Apparently the judge wasn't too happy about it.
http://news.lp.findlaw.com/ap/o/632/04-29-2005/e97b000ade80e413.html
I can't find specific reference to the legislation tho .
Hatton
On 5/1/05, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> um... why does state law say this? To say that I am highly alarmed by
um... why does state law say this? To say that I am highly alarmed by
this story would be an understatement. Anything that starts with a
13year old giving birth is unlikely tofinish well for the thirteen
year old. And exactly how did the state of Florida manage to lose yet
another child?
Dana
> >
C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
> But the
> DCF asked Alvarez to block the procedure, citing a state law that says
> the agency cannot consent to any abortion. Alvarez granted the
> request.
That does answer most of my questions.
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> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4500245.stm
>
> Anybody know where to find the text of the ruling?
Don't know where the text of the ruling is but I found the following articles:
http://www.lifenews.com/state1010.html
Of course I also found the following:
Agency blasted over runaway
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4500245.stm
Anybody know where to find the text of the ruling?
Jochem
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