Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-22 Thread Bruce Sorge
Yeppers. Sent from my iPhone 4S. On May 22, 2013, at 10:23 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > w00t fpr APU/AMU!! > > > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Bruce Sorge wrote: > >> >> I am considered a part time student since I take 6 hours every three >> months (2 classes at a time). But my schoo

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-22 Thread Scott Stroz
w00t fpr APU/AMU!! On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Bruce Sorge wrote: > > I am considered a part time student since I take 6 hours every three > months (2 classes at a time). But my school is a little different in that > we have a revolving semester, which means new classes start the first >

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-21 Thread Bruce Sorge
I am considered a part time student since I take 6 hours every three months (2 classes at a time). But my school is a little different in that we have a revolving semester, which means new classes start the first Monday of each month, and classes are 8-16 weeks long. ~

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I got mine as an Adobe prize. On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Maureen wrote: > > I pay 29 a month for the full subscription because I already had CS5. > If you already have a paid product, you might want to check the > upgrade price. > > On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Larry C. Lyons > wrot

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
But specifically 3 credit hours, 12? Does it mean you have to be a full time student? On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Bruce Sorge wrote: > > You just have to be an active student. I am also on the same deal. > > Sent from my iPhone 4S. > > On May 20, 2013, at 9:24 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" > wrot

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2013-05-20 Thread Maureen
I pay 29 a month for the full subscription because I already had CS5. If you already have a paid product, you might want to check the upgrade price. On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > $20 a month, i wonder how many courses do you have to take to be eligible.

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-20 Thread Erika L. Rich
Yeah all they needed was my Harvard email address and my registration confirmation for my classes. (PDF) On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 9:32 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote: > > I'm getting the Creative Cloud as a student (MBA with concentration in IT > Management) at WGU, it depends on the school and if

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2013-05-20 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
I'm getting the Creative Cloud as a student (MBA with concentration in IT Management) at WGU, it depends on the school and if they participate. Until Later! C. Hatton Humphrey http://www.eastcoastconservative.com Every cloud does have a silver lining. Sometimes you just have to do some smelting

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2013-05-20 Thread Bruce Sorge
You just have to be an active student. I am also on the same deal. Sent from my iPhone 4S. On May 20, 2013, at 9:24 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" wrote: > > $20 a month, i wonder how many courses do you have to take to be eligible. > > > On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM, Erika L. Rich wrote: > >>

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-20 Thread Larry C. Lyons
$20 a month, i wonder how many courses do you have to take to be eligible. On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM, Erika L. Rich wrote: > > Well. All I know is I love it. At $20 a month, I have access to the full > line of Adobe products, and since I'll be in school for the next 4-5 years > (maybe lo

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-20 Thread Erika L. Rich
Well. All I know is I love it. At $20 a month, I have access to the full line of Adobe products, and since I'll be in school for the next 4-5 years (maybe longer if I decide to go for a Masters), that's a total win in my column. I would NEVER have been able to afford to buy the products outright r

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-16 Thread Vivec
Adobe says once all those thousands of people who are complaining try us, they'll love us... http://ht.ly/kWrtJ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=ho

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Interesting analysis of the costs of the Creative Cloud vs owning the apps: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57583370-92/how-greedy-is-adobes-creative-cloud-subscription-not-very/?tag=nl.e703&s_cid=e703&ttag=e703 On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 8:12 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Absolutely! > > +19

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2013-05-09 Thread LRS Scout
Absolutely! +199 On May 9, 2013 7:44 PM, "Cameron Childress" wrote: > > So, who were you talking about when you said at the start of this thread > that "Suddenly they don't have a choice to control their costs anymore, > they are > forced to pay a fixed yearly fee" > > Suddenly the

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2013-05-09 Thread LRS Scout
Complain absolutely? But do something about it? On May 9, 2013 7:36 PM, "Vivec" wrote: > > What!? No...no that's not what I said! > No one should Fix the prices! The prices shouldn't be fixed, they should be > organic and open to influence by the market. > You can't have tech companies getting

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Cameron Childress
So, who were you talking about when you said at the start of this thread that "Suddenly they don't have a choice to control their costs anymore, they are forced to pay a fixed yearly fee" Suddenly the consumer cannot control the price? The government? Who are you complaining about here who you

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Vivec
What!? No...no that's not what I said! No one should Fix the prices! The prices shouldn't be fixed, they should be organic and open to influence by the market. You can't have tech companies getting together and saying , "Hey, let's all set our prices at $X and forget this competition stuff, let's

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Cameron Childress
S you think the government should fix the prices? On May 9, 2013, at 7:09 PM, Vivec wrote: > > What? No... > > There are rules AGAINST price fixing. That is what protects the free market > economy. > So that people cannot get together and agree to set prices for their > products and remov

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Cameron Childress
On May 9, 2013, at 6:57 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > Control the lexicon and you control the debate. Or perhaps mis-use the lexicon and look like you are confused and ignorant about the definitions of words. :) - Cameron ~| Order t

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Vivec
What? No... There are rules AGAINST price fixing. That is what protects the free market economy. So that people cannot get together and agree to set prices for their products and remove the factor of competition from the market. In the Australia example I believe it was Adobe, Microsoft and anot

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread LRS Scout
Control the lexicon and you control the debate. On May 9, 2013 6:55 PM, "Cameron Childress" wrote: > > On May 9, 2013, at 5:00 PM, Vivec wrote: > > > Price Fixing rules exist to protect consumers and to ensure a well > > regulated free market economy. > > The terms 'price fixing' and 'free marke

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Cameron Childress
On May 9, 2013, at 5:00 PM, Vivec wrote: > Price Fixing rules exist to protect consumers and to ensure a well > regulated free market economy. The terms 'price fixing' and 'free market' mean pretty much the exact opposite things. I really do think this is all about you and I using the same vo

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread William Bowen
He responded... :-) On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > I'm not to even dignify that with a response. > > > On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 5:58 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > > > > I believe in limited government, not no government, as you well know. > > > > You're the guest here, no

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I'm not to even dignify that with a response. On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 5:58 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > I believe in limited government, not no government, as you well know. > > You're the guest here, not me. > On May 9, 2013 5:09 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" wrote: > > > > > Really? Australia, New Zealan

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread LRS Scout
I believe in limited government, not no government, as you well know. You're the guest here, not me. On May 9, 2013 5:09 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" wrote: > > Really? Australia, New Zealand, Britain or Canada are not free? > > If your idea of freedom is to buy military grade weaponry in bulk, why not

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Really? Australia, New Zealand, Britain or Canada are not free? If your idea of freedom is to buy military grade weaponry in bulk, why not just move to the Sudan or Somalia. On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 5:06 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Well regulared != free > On May 9, 2013 5:01 PM, "Vivec" wrote: >

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Larry C. Lyons
did that months ago. 5 minutes after the 64 bit install. On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > > as I said its reasonably fast but using a 64 bit is much faster than the > 32 > > bit. Moreover tweaking the ini file

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread LRS Scout
Well regulared != free On May 9, 2013 5:01 PM, "Vivec" wrote: > > Yes, sometimes just going elsewhere is the right move. > > No , government doesn't always need to step in. > > Price Fixing rules exist to protect consumers and to ensure a well > regulated free market economy. > > A fair system o

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Vivec
Yes, sometimes just going elsewhere is the right move. No , government doesn't always need to step in. Price Fixing rules exist to protect consumers and to ensure a well regulated free market economy. A fair system of pricing and distribution refers to a company not charging 100 US for a produc

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > as I said its reasonably fast but using a 64 bit is much faster than the 32 > bit. Moreover tweaking the ini file is a long tradition with eclipse users. > Have fun with that. -Cameron ... ~~~

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Larry C. Lyons
as I said its reasonably fast but using a 64 bit is much faster than the 32 bit. Moreover tweaking the ini file is a long tradition with eclipse users. On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > > Same here. CFB on the

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > Same here. CFB on the mac is very stable and reasonably fast. There > are ways to improve the thing. Go through these two blogs about speeding it > up Anything I have to "fix" before I even start breaking it is something I can do without.

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Marlon Moyer wrote: > too heavy. VIM is the one true editor. ;) The command line makes me want to claw my eyes out with a rusty spoon. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology no

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Same here. CFB on the mac is very stable and reasonably fast. There are ways to improve the thing. Go through these two blogs about speeding it up http://blog.mxunit.org/2009/07/speeding-up-coldfusion-builder.html http://iknowkungfoo.com/blog/index.cfm/2013/2/26/Always-install-ColdFusion-Builder-

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Vivec wrote: > I'll answer your statement with the question : You asked more then one question. > What is the purpose of Consumer Rights legislation and laws? > Generally, protecting people from dangerous things. > At any point the consumer can simply use a

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Marlon Moyer
too heavy. VIM is the one true editor. ;) On May 9, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Matthew S Blatchley wrote: > >> I couldn't even get it installed properly. So I went with Sublime Text 2. > > > Sublime Text 2 is great. That's what I use n

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Matthew S Blatchley wrote: > I couldn't even get it installed properly. So I went with Sublime Text 2. Sublime Text 2 is great. That's what I use now as well. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Vivec
I'll answer your statement with the question : What is the purpose of Consumer Rights legislation and laws? At any point the consumer can simply use a different product, why do we need rights legislation and laws? If a company gives you bad service, just go to another company. If the product is

RE: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Matthew S Blatchley
I couldn't even get it installed properly. So I went with Sublime Text 2. On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 3:01 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > I hope they solved the 8 billion eclipse issues When I stopped using it about 8 months ago it was still a dog and a total memory whore. CFB was screwing every memo

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 3:01 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > I hope they solved the 8 billion eclipse issues When I stopped using it about 8 months ago it was still a dog and a total memory whore. CFB was screwing every memory location on my machine and still asking for more -Cameron ...

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Vivec wrote: > Suddenly they don't have a choice to control their costs anymore, they > are forced to pay a fixed yearly fee. I understand the frustrations of having to pay more, but I really don't get this "forced" mentality. No-one is forcing you to do anythin

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread LRS Scout
I hope they solved the 8 billion eclipse issues On May 9, 2013 3:00 PM, "Bruce Sorge" wrote: > > I have DW, but I have been using CFB a lot lately. I am really liking it. > > > On May 9, 2013, at 2:56 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > > > > God I hated leaving studio behind. None of the options at

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Bruce Sorge
I have DW, but I have been using CFB a lot lately. I am really liking it. On May 9, 2013, at 2:56 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > God I hated leaving studio behind. None of the options at that point were > really appealing. > On May 9, 2013 2:53 PM, "Jerry Milo Johnson" wrote: > ~~

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Vivec
x27;s messed up. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 1:36 PM > > > To: cf-community > > > Subject: Re: For those complaining about having to move

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread LRS Scout
mail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 1:36 PM > > To: cf-community > > Subject: Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud > > Subscription... > > > > > > Now look at how this plays out for people OUTSIDE the united States. > &

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
Original Message- > From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 1:36 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud > Subscription... > > > Now look at how this plays out for people OUTSIDE the

RE: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Matthew S Blatchley
That's messed up. -Original Message- From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 1:36 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription... Now look at how this plays out for people OUTSIDE the u

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Bruce Sorge
Right about the upgrades, and the article even mentions that users will often skip an upgrade. However, there is a point where upgrading will be necessary because over time the new features will be compelling enough to upgrade. The last version of Photoshop I bought was version 2 I think. Anywa

Re: For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Vivec
Now look at how this plays out for people OUTSIDE the united States. Already many cannot even get digital products from the Adobe webstore, it won't allow them to make a purchase. Then, the products cost more than double the amount in many territories, such as Australia where it is cheaper to FL

For those complaining about having to move to Creative Cloud Subscription...

2013-05-09 Thread Bruce Sorge
Here is a nice breakdown of the cost effectiveness of the creative cloud subscription service. I have been using it for about a year now, as has Erika and I can say I have no complaints. Of course I am getting the student discount, but even without the discount I would still not complain. I use