On Jan 4, 2008 11:17 AM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We're not talking about 1950. There have been warnings about smoking as
> long as you or I have been alive Sean.
Mere quibbles. Lets sue the bastards!
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ference?
>
> I didn't pay for soiled or poisoned food.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:19 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: France bans smoking in bars, cafes, nightclubs.
>
> On J
>
> I didn't pay for soiled or poisoned food.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:19 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: France bans smoking in bars, cafes, nightclubs.
>
> On Jan 3,
That's the appoint I was going for thanks.
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From: Dinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:40 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: France bans smoking in bars, cafes, nightclubs.
On Jan 3, 2008 7:19 PM, Sean Corfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED
Yes.
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From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:22 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: France bans smoking in bars, cafes, nightclubs.
What about public transportation, public lobbies, courthouses?
Do you agree it is OK to ban it
I paid for what I was told was good food.
Honestly you can't see the difference?
I didn't pay for soiled or poisoned food.
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From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:19 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: France bans smoki
Crow T. Robot wrote:
> I think that this was my point a while ago. If people could have a bit of
> freakin' consideration, we wouldn't need half the laws and rules.\
>
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On Jan 3, 2008 7:50 PM, Crow T. Robot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dinner wrote:
> >Maybe if people took the time to care, we wouldn't need so much government.
>
> I think that this was my point a while ago. If people could have a bit of
> freakin' consideration, we wouldn't need half the laws and
Dinner wrote:
>Maybe if people took the time to care, we wouldn't need so much government.
I think that this was my point a while ago. If people could have a bit of
freakin' consideration, we wouldn't need half the laws and rules.
Hell, all we really need is the "Golden Rule", eh Dinner? =) I
On Jan 3, 2008 7:19 PM, Sean Corfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 3, 2008 5:51 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > By entering the smoking establishment, and by choosing to stay there you can
> > no longer blame them.
> >
> > It was your choice to be there.
>
> But your theoretical pe
I can smell the fumes from cars when I go outside. Perhaps I'm just
nasally gifted, but it's true. When I think about it.
Why is smoking so much more important than, say, non-burning energy?
Is this really the top priority for you, considering all we face?
--
It's like your batteries get low,
Oh, it's fine with me if you read all or part or none, really. And Truly.
Feel free to just ignore me at times, hit that delete key without
having a second thought.
It's your loss, of course ;-)
Didn't mean to imply you were from Califas, bro. Just using it as
that stereotypical example, by go
On Jan 3, 2008 6:31 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's funny, I never thought you and I would see eye to eye.
Heh. Stranger things have happened. :-)
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What about public transportation, public lobbies, courthouses?
Do you agree it is OK to ban it there?
On Jan 3, 2008 8:51 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> By entering the smoking establishment, and by choosing to stay there you can
> no longer blame them.
>
> It was your choice to be there
On Jan 3, 2008 5:51 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> By entering the smoking establishment, and by choosing to stay there you can
> no longer blame them.
>
> It was your choice to be there.
But your theoretical person chose to go eat in the restaurant with
substandard hygiene and then they
in bars, cafes, nightclubs.
On Jan 3, 2008 10:23 AM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would be upset, and I would sue them.
So by that logic we should sue the smokers and/or the owners in a
'private business establishment' that allowed smoking as soon as some
non-smoker who
On Jan 3, 2008 6:05 PM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Jan 3, 2008 11:36 AM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >A bar isn't a public place, public means owned by the government,
> > it is a
> > > >private place owned by an individual or company.
> > >
> > > Nope that one h
On Jan 3, 2008 10:23 AM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would be upset, and I would sue them.
So by that logic we should sue the smokers and/or the owners in a
'private business establishment' that allowed smoking as soon as some
non-smoker who went there died of secondhand-smoking?
--
Sea
You're not going to like that I didn't read your entire post because
it's quite long and started going off the deep end of the rant pool.
However I did want to clarify that I am not from California, I just
lived there 4 years. I am from Atlanta, where I now live.
-Cameron
Dinner wrote:
> On
It's funny, I never thought you and I would see eye to eye.
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From: Dinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:26 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: France bans smoking in bars, cafes, nightclubs.
On Jan 3, 2008 1:26 PM, Cameron Childress &l
s/country/county [=
On Jan 3, 2008 6:25 PM, Dinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We just passed some bans in my country. At first, bars, eateries and
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On Jan 3, 2008 1:26 PM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dinner wrote:
> > It's not a total free for all, Cameron. I just want to be able to do
> > what I want, without *forcing* anyone do do anything.
> >
> > As much as possible.
> >
> > Others seem to think forcing stuff is the onl
But they don't welcome any and all, I can't go naked, can't get overly drunk
can't can't can't
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From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:06 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: France bans smoking in bars,
> On Jan 3, 2008 11:36 AM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >A bar isn't a public place, public means owned by the government,
> it is a
> > >private place owned by an individual or company.
> >
> > Nope that one has been decided a long time ago. If the restaurant or
> bar is not a priv
G Money wrote:
> That really is a lot of it, actually. I don't like smoke either, I much
> prefer a smoke free area...but smoke doesn't bother me to the point where I
> will leave a place simply because it's smokey. I'm able to cope alright.
>
> If it bothered me more, I might be more inclined to l
I'm not offended, it makes me physically ill.
My heart rate jumps about 40 beats a minute, and I get a raging
headache (the bad one in both the front and the back of the head)
which lasts at minimum 10 minutes. And I get a queezy feeling in my
stomach.
The perfume bugs me, too, but does not make
I'm more offended by perfume than cig smoke.
On Jan 3, 2008 1:33 PM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 3, 2008 2:26 PM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I mean really, if we want to toss out the public health aspect
> > altogether, I just don't like smoke. I know alot
On Jan 3, 2008 2:26 PM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I mean really, if we want to toss out the public health aspect
> altogether, I just don't like smoke. I know alot of people who don't
> like smoke, including smokers. To the extent that I have the ability to
> control my envi
Dinner wrote:
> It's not a total free for all, Cameron. I just want to be able to do
> what I want, without *forcing* anyone do do anything.
>
> As much as possible.
>
> Others seem to think forcing stuff is the only way to get things done,
> which I sorta abhor.
>
I do agree with you actually
So what do you think about my "combustion engine" argument?
Why you focusing on the small problem?
Think the kids asthma cases are going up because of the increase in smokers?
Yeah, I'm sure that's what it is. Cigarettes.
Violence doesn't solve as much as you'd think it would.
Depending on y
I agree. I want to punch the smoker on the train platform yesterday in the nose.
If I could do that, I would be all for the freedom to let him smoke.
It would then be his choice. To smoke and get punched, or not to
smoke. His decision.
Of course, given the mood of the crowd around him, there mig
On Jan 3, 2008 12:03 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd rather pick up a gun.
More power to you, Loathe. We need more like you. (We being the US of A).
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Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving
through traffic in a car that you are still paying for - in
It's not a total free for all, Cameron. I just want to be able to do
what I want, without *forcing* anyone do do anything.
As much as possible.
Others seem to think forcing stuff is the only way to get things done,
which I sorta abhor.
--
After all, all he did was string together a lot of old,
On Jan 3, 2008 11:36 AM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >A bar isn't a public place, public means owned by the government, it is a
> >private place owned by an individual or company.
>
> Nope that one has been decided a long time ago. If the restaurant or bar is
> not a private club with
I'd rather pick up a gun.
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From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 2:01 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: France bans smoking in bars, cafes, nightclubs.
May as well throw in the towel then.
-Cameron
Loathe wrote:
>
I actually consider myself more closely aligned with Libertarian beliefs
than with any others. Which are really at the core of alot of the "
personal freedom" arguments, but I really don't think a total free for
all would work out very well.
-Cameron
Dinner wrote:
> On Jan 3, 2008 11:06 AM, C
munity
> Subject: Re: France bans smoking in bars, cafes, nightclubs.
>
> "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"
>
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On Jan 3, 2008 8:01 AM, Crow T. Robot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 2, 2008 7:26 PM, Dinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 2, 2008 8:28 AM, Crow T. Robot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > there have been many arguments about these so called "rights". when
> > your
> > > rights to smo
>A bar isn't a public place, public means owned by the government, it is a
>private place owned by an individual or company.
Nope that one has been decided a long time ago. If the restaurant or bar is not
a private club with membership restrictions then its a public place. If the
place is open t
gaurenteed.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:30 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: France bans smoking in bars, cafes, nightclubs.
> >
> > I guess I just d
On Jan 3, 2008 11:06 AM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So would you be upset if your wife/sister/mother was the consumer who
> died as a result of some unsanitary condition - so that her discovery
> could inform the rest of the community of that establishment's unsafe
> conditions?
By your logic then there should be NO health related ordinances and laws for
restaurants.
Hey I hope you like rats and cockroaches in your food, and from what I
understand food poisoning is a great way to lose weight.
Its essentially the same thing. I have no problem with whatever you do in y
That's a right, last I checked those don't mean anything any more.
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From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:34 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: France bans smoking in bars, cafes, nightclubs.
"Life, liberty,
On Jan 3, 2008 10:25 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It is a privately owned business, but it operates within a city, within a
> county, within a state, within a country.each level has it's own set of
> regulations that must be met in order for a business, private or otherwise,
> to op
"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"
-Cameron
Loathe wrote:
> Life isn't gaurenteed.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:30 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re
Life isn't gaurenteed.
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From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:30 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: France bans smoking in bars, cafes, nightclubs.
I guess I just don't see this as an acceptable solution because s
Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:07 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: France bans smoking in bars, cafes, nightclubs.
>
> So would you be upset if your wife/sister/mother was the consumer who
> died as a result of some unsanitary condition - so that her discovery
> could in
I would be upset, and I would sue them.
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From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:07 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: France bans smoking in bars, cafes, nightclubs.
So would you be upset if your wife/sister/mother was the
So would you be upset if your wife/sister/mother was the consumer who
died as a result of some unsanitary condition - so that her discovery
could inform the rest of the community of that establishment's unsafe
conditions?
-Cameron
Loathe wrote:
> Honestly, yes, I think that the consumer will e
Honestly, yes, I think that the consumer will enforce those kinds of
standards.
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From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:47 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: France bans smoking in bars, cafes, nightclubs.
Loathe wrote:
>
Loathe wrote:
> A bar isn't a public place, public means owned by the government, it is a
> private place owned by an individual or company.
>
I get your point, but Do you disagree with laws requiring a private
business establishment to prepare food in a sanitary way?
-Cameron
~~
It is a privately owned business, but it operates within a city, within a
county, within a state, within a country.each level has it's own set of
regulations that must be met in order for a business, private or otherwise,
to operate and serve the public within that arena.
Restaurants have heal
A bar isn't a public place, public means owned by the government, it is a
private place owned by an individual or company.
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From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:15 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: France bans smoki
On Jan 2, 2008 7:26 PM, Dinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 2, 2008 8:28 AM, Crow T. Robot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > there have been many arguments about these so called "rights". when
> your
> > rights to smoke infringes on my rights to not die from second toxic
> fumes,
> > then yea
ursday, January 03, 2008 9:15 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: France bans smoking in bars, cafes, nightclubs.
I love non-smoking laws. Having lived in California for a few years
where the entire state has banned smoking indoors in any type of
establishment and then moving to Georgia where onl
I love non-smoking laws. Having lived in California for a few years
where the entire state has banned smoking indoors in any type of
establishment and then moving to Georgia where only certain areas ban it
and even then not completely - I *really* miss the total ban. I hate
coming home and sm
8 7:54 AM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It seems reasonable to violate an individual's rights on their private
> property?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: G Money [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:23 AM
> To: CF-Community
>
It seems reasonable to violate an individual's rights on their private
property?
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From: G Money [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:23 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: France bans smoking in bars, cafes, nightclubs.
Independence, MO, a s
Independence, MO, a suburb of KC, is hoping to compromise on it's smoking
ban. Owners of bars that do not serve foodbasically just your local
watering holes.want an exemption to the smoking ban. All restaurants
would still be smoke free.
That seems reasonable to me.
On Jan 2, 2008 7:26 PM
On Jan 2, 2008 8:28 AM, Crow T. Robot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> there have been many arguments about these so called "rights". when your
> rights to smoke infringes on my rights to not die from second toxic fumes,
> then yea, the gub'mint should get involved.
My god! If it were up to people l
>Show up with a fire extinguisher and a tape measure. Announce the law
>and your intent to enforce.
>
>--BenD
>
No, not strong enough, either a high pressure firehose or a cattle prod set on
fry.
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Crow T. Robot wrote:
> did it ever do any good? i mean, there are these "so many feet" bans here,
> but a) no one enforces them, and b) no one abides by them, for the most
> part.
>
> i ha
Yes, and a kick in the shins if you leave the bathroom without washing
yer friggin hands.
On Jan 2, 2008 10:40 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey I'd be cool with thatcan we extend that to cell phone users?
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2008 9:35 AM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
Hey I'd be cool with thatcan we extend that to cell phone users?
On Jan 2, 2008 9:35 AM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If I still had the right to pop you in the nose if you offend me with
> your smoking, I would be fine without the smoking ban.
>
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2008 10:25 AM, G
If I still had the right to pop you in the nose if you offend me with
your smoking, I would be fine without the smoking ban.
On Jan 2, 2008 10:25 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Aren't many of you the same people who, in the past, have decried the
> government when they begin to infring
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> > > From: Greg Morphis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 9:23 AM
> > > To
there have been many arguments about these so called "rights". when your
rights to smoke infringes on my rights to not die from second toxic fumes,
then yea, the gub'mint should get involved.
On Jan 2, 2008 9:25 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Aren't many of you the same people who, in
Aren't many of you the same people who, in the past, have decried the
government when they begin to infringe on our personal freedoms?
I guess that only applies when the freedom is one that you don't find
"gross"?
I don't disagree with the ends (smoke free), just the means (government
interve
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> >
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> > -Original Message-----
> > From: Greg Morphis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 9:23 AM
I am strongly with Greg here.
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> -Original Message-
> From: Greg Morphis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 9:23 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: France bans smoking in bars, cafes, nightclubs.
>
> Not me, th
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> From: Greg Morphis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 9:23 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: France ba
From: Greg Morphis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 9:23 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: France bans smoking in bars, cafes, nightclubs.
Not me, that shit is nasty. If they want to kill themselves then fine,
but don't make me suffer also.
On Jan 2, 2008 7:41 AM,
Not me, that shit is nasty. If they want to kill themselves then fine,
but don't make me suffer also.
On Jan 2, 2008 7:41 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Smoking bans piss me offand I'm a non smoker.
>
> The pussification of people continues unabated.
>
> On Jan 2, 2008 5:07 AM, Vivec
Smoking bans piss me offand I'm a non smoker.
The pussification of people continues unabated.
On Jan 2, 2008 5:07 AM, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Smoking has been banned ins everal European countries in public places
> and government offices.
> Now private businesses are facing a ban
Smoking has been banned ins everal European countries in public places
and government offices.
Now private businesses are facing a ban as well. I wonder what form
the 'Sealed compartments' in which smoking is allowed will take?
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/world/French-fume-over-smoke-ban.36322
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