> Larry wrote:
> compared US health care to Germany, France, Switzerland, Holland and England.
> The US came out the worst.
>
Yeah but what's being compared?
The US has the best *medicine* in the World, period.
If you want top care from top doctors at top hospitals with top access
to last most
That's the left point of view.
Here's the right:
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba649
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Larry Lyons wrote:
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91972152
>
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>> And as screwed up as the American health care system is, it is still better
>> than what you can find in other countries. I guess it means don't get sick
>> overseas.
>
>I'm pretty sure that the program I saw on PBS a few months ago made it
>seem like the US wasn't better than what you can
>>
>> And as screwed up as the American health care system is, it is still better
>> than what you can find in other countries. I guess it means don't get sick
>> overseas.
>
>I'm pretty sure that the program I saw on PBS a few months ago made it
>seem like the US wasn't better than what you can
> Jerry wrote:
> If health insurance companies all had the same baseline product and
>
> something like escrow accounts or personal health care accounts, would
> insurance become a better product?
>
> I disagree. More options usually lead to better pricing. When hospitals
> compete, you win.
He
He actually got Zophran before they gave him the contrast for the CT
scan. He is down getting that test now.
On 4/1/09, denstar wrote:
>
> Damn man. teh suck.
>
> Zophran seemed to help my wife sometimes when the phenergrin didn't.
> Not a pharma-dude, so check with the doctor, but maybe there
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:40 AM, denstar wrote:
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> I feel for your son, the longer you're in the hospital, the more it sucketh.
Actually I feel for all of you. It's pretty tough on the support network too.
Hang in there Stroz-fam!
--
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Damn man. teh suck.
Zophran seemed to help my wife sometimes when the phenergrin didn't.
Not a pharma-dude, so check with the doctor, but maybe there are some
other options than what they've done so far?
It's pretty cool that your wife is there to keep the continuity.
Seems like you really need
Well, you don't want to put humans out of work anyways, right?
The nurse we liked the most would start her shift off with an
assessment. A baseline, if you will. It had a couple of simple
tests. A few simple questions.
That really impressed me.
Mostly, the problem seemed to be communication.
Agree. Just put your deductibles up to your max out of pocket into a
savings account.
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On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Jacob wrote
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Jacob wrote:
>
> Dropped the HMO and went to a PPO. Never looked back since.
I switched my insurance to HMO for one horrifying year...i will never do
that again to save a few bucks.
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When my doctor was trying to diagnose my problem, one of the
pathologists made the statement "when we see hoof prints, we look for
horses, not zebras". To which my doc replied "i
So, I got a call from my wife at 5:00 AM this morning and she was quite
upset. My son's behavior has changed quite a bit in the last 12 hours
(still can't keep liquids down but he started to be beligerent when they
tried taking his temperature and other vital signs - a huge difference over
how he
Thanks for the insurance primer. Alas, I already new this stuff. I teach
math at the local community college. In some of the classes, I teach about
probability using risk tables and such.
I still think you are missing the point. If health insurance were like car
insurance, would it be a better
The problem with that is you can't alwasy go by just the numbers. Lance
Armstrong has a resting heart rate in 40's and I would guess a normal
systolic BP in the 90's or maybe even 80's.
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:55 AM, Maureen wrote:
>
> They have all this tech for the most part, they just do
They have all this tech for the most part, they just don't use it.
As in what happened to me, every book and every computer will tell a
nurse or doctor that you don't give Demerol to a patient with low
blood pressure, but no amount of tech will keep them from being
stupid, unless you lock the med
> Judah wrote:
> You and I agree on any number of things Gruss but your attitude toward
> insurance is painfully backward. A "risk pool" is only one part of
> insurance and you treat it as the end all and be all of a system.
Maybe. Bring it forward for me:
So product figures out desirable produ
Yea...anything by Michael Moore is scary stuff... ;)
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 1:26 AM, Andrew Grosset wrote:
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> anyone seen SICKO? scary stuff!
>
>
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On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> My greatest frustration with this issue is that nobody seems to
> understand how insurance works when it comes to health. They think
> it's some sort of magical money tree.
Of course those of us who do, in fact, understand how insurance just
> Jerry wrote:
>
> I think you misunderstood, which is not unusual. I want more choice.
>
My greatest frustration with this issue is that nobody seems to
understand how insurance works when it comes to health. They think
it's some sort of magical money tree.
When you "buy" insurance you are ac
I think you misunderstood, which is not unusual. I want more choice.
1.) Choice makes US healthcare a winner.
In some sense. We have 100's, if not 1000's, of specialty hospital with
great doctors. We have many clinical trials that extend treatment beyond
the normal course.
2.) Choice makes
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> And as screwed up as the American health care system is, it is still better
> than what you can find in other countries. I guess it means don't get sick
> overseas.
I'm pretty sure that the program I saw on PBS a few months ago made it
se
> Jerry wrote:
> It made me wonder if there is a baseline for what insurance companies have
> to cover?
So the summary of your points are:
1.) Choice makes US healthcare a winner.
2.) Choice makes US healthcare a loser.
3.) We should have more choice.
4.) We should have less choice.
5.) Empl
> Scott wrote:
> My wife often talks about going into business as a 'patient advocate'. Going
> to the doctors or hospital with people to make sure they get the proper
> level of care. Though, I woudl imagine the liability might be prohibitive.
>
Scott, this is an awesome idea especially if the
And as screwed up as the American health care system is, it is still better
than what you can find in other countries. I guess it means don't get sick
overseas.
I work in the health care system now. My daughter had a serious illness
that took 4 years of treatment to address. I have seen every
And it's crap like that which is so frustrating, from a coder's perspective.
I'm about to code up a little dealie for timing medication, using
iCal4j (and some already written code, woo...@!), since the
calendaring PIM type apps I have won't let you do hourly repeats
(although it's in the RFC, so
One 'mistake' that those in the medical field make with frightenting
regularity is medication errors (wrong med, wrong dose and/or wrong
delivery). To me, that is completely inexcusable. We were taught to check a
med 3 times. Once when you pick it up, once when you draw it up and once
again righ
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> This morning, my son started to get nauseous again so my wife asked for
> fenegrin, an anti-emetic medicine, which was ordered for when he got
> nauseous. It took about 30 minutes for him to get it because the nurse did
> not know how to adm
>So, my younger son is in the hospital - he has had vomiting/diarrhea since
>Sunday and the doctor thinks its some kind of virus...but...
>
I hope your boy is doing better.
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yeah, they must teach that horses and zebras sayingin medical school,
because it's one of the favorite doctor things to jeer at.
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Maureen wrote:
>
> When my doctor was trying to diagnose my problem, one of the
> pathologists made the statement "when we see hoof p
I think I would have to say its complacency. I have seen this at all levels
of medical care, from techs and nurses aides to the highly specialized
doctors. They are either too arrogant, too lazy or too stupid to see that
they do not do right by the patient. It used to drive me crazy when I was a
When my doctor was trying to diagnose my problem, one of the
pathologists made the statement "when we see hoof prints, we look for
horses, not zebras". To which my doc replied "if you see zebra poop
all over the yard, and there is a zoo next door, you might wanna look
for a zebra." Meaning, of c
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 3:16 PM, denstar wrote:
>
>
> My mother-in-law is a nurse for the VA, it's a real boon to know
> someone in the field, as it were. Maybe this social networking stuff
> will eventually help people connect with other people who have
> Knowledge, for those not fortunate to
I agree. Something along the lines of "if I don't know about it it must not
exist." Don't get me started; I run support groups for DVT patients and I
have seen waay too many horror stories. It's also much worse in
public hospitals with a captive audience, as far as I can tell.
On Tue, Ma
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> So, my younger son is in the hospital - he has had vomiting/diarrhea since
> Sunday and the doctor thinks its some kind of virus...but...
>
> Sometimes I wonder how anyone makes it out of a hospital alive. My wife is
> a nurse, and we have
mine, easy... and i was a licensed health/life insurance sales person
for a year...
pre-existing conditions as a limiting factor
in-humane in my book and the hardest thing to tell someone...
they cant help it (most of the time) that they have the ailment
they have, and are not able to pay real r
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Scott Stro wrote:
>
> Sometimes I wonder how anyone makes it out of a hospital alive.
>
Sorry to hear your son is sick.
What do you think the single biggest "WTF" issue is with health care?
~~~
So, my younger son is in the hospital - he has had vomiting/diarrhea since
Sunday and the doctor thinks its some kind of virus...but...
Sometimes I wonder how anyone makes it out of a hospital alive. My wife is
a nurse, and we have had big issues with poor patient care before (she
almost died..
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