> Scott wrote:
> Let me guess, you spent a few years as a lawyer? Or maybe a Latin teacher?
Managed a team of them, but no legal training myself other than self-taught.
> Kennedy left a woman to die and did nothing to help her or try to
> summon help. You don't think there is any culpability the
Let me guess, you spent a few years as a lawyer? Or maybe a Latin teacher?
Kennedy left a woman to die and did nothing to help her or try to
summon help. You don't think there is any culpability there? Oh, yea,
I forgot, he was a Kennedy, and we all know they live by different
laws.
On Mon, Aug
> Scott wrote:
> I think Jayson Williams should have been sent to jail too. What's your point?
>
You said, referring to Sen Kennedy, "In my mind, that is killing someone."
Thus the basis of your comparison is randomly making up shit that the
law, even of time, doesn't agree with.
So my point
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
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>> Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Anyway, Kennedy didn't kill anyone, he was negligent which resulted in a
>>> death.
>>
>> In my mind, that is killing someone.
>>
>
> Yeah, but also in your mind Vick & Kennedy form the basis for a
> reasonable comparativ
> Scott wrote:
>
>> Anyway, Kennedy didn't kill anyone, he was negligent which resulted in a
>> death.
>
> In my mind, that is killing someone.
>
Yeah, but also in your mind Vick & Kennedy form the basis for a
reasonable comparative analysis. Of course you're wrong on both
counts.
Now if you r
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Maureen wrote:
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> She broke the law, someone died.
A traffic infraction punishable by a ticket or worse case vehicular
manslaughter a misdemeanor.
> He broke the law, someone died.
DUI, speeding, leaving the scene of an accident and failure to call for help.
If
She broke the law, someone died.
He broke the law, someone died.
I fail to see the difference, but you'll take any opportunity to
defend a Bush I guess.
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Sam wrote:
>
> I'm amazed you would even try to compare the two?
> Any opportunity to knock a Bush I guess.
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> 1. I never said I thought you needed to be perfect to be thought a
> hero, merely that I do not consider Kennedy a hero.
>
What's a "hero"? Who knows. It's pretty subjective. That is why i focused on
his SERVICE. He did a lot of work in th
She was 17 with no political connections, it was early evening and
police where on the scene and chose not to test for alc.
The victim did not bleed to death because she hid and refused to get him help.
Kennedy was at a party likely drunk, refused to allow his chauffeur to
drive him.
Refused to c
1. I never said I thought you needed to be perfect to be thought a
hero, merely that I do not consider Kennedy a hero.
2. I would question the 'genuine' part of his (or any other
politician's) 'service'.
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:56 PM, G Money wrote:
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> A life spent in genuine service to one's
Technically, he spent his time serving the people of Massachusetts
since they were his constituency.
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:56 PM, G Money wrote:
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> A life spent in genuine service to one's country and the people who inhabit
> it.is heroic.
>
> You show me a hero who is perfect, and I'll
A life spent in genuine service to one's country and the people who inhabit
it.is heroic.
You show me a hero who is perfect, and I'll show you an illusion.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
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> A lot of the same people who think a man convicted of dog fighting,
> who serv
OK, just so I understand for future reference. Expressing opinion ==
trolling. I will be sure to remember that, Thanx.
I still don't understand the equation of 'killing human by negligence
< killing dog on purpose'.
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Judah McAuley wrote:
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> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009
When Laura Bush dies and people claim her to be an 'American Hero',
I'll be sure to point of the hypocrisy then too. Fair enough?
That is yet another example of how the privileged get treated
differently. That is something that seems to be bi-partisan.
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:29 AM, Maureen wr
good question. As best I can tell because his brother was running for
president whereas Laura did not marry George till much later. But ok, there
is a discrepancy, you are right. Ironic considering the subject line of this
thread
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 2:29 AM, Maureen wrote:
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> Ted Kennedy r
Ted Kennedy ran off a bridge and a woman died. Afterward he was
disoriented and didn't know what happened. He may have been drinking
but no tests were done.
Laura Bush ran a stop sign and a man died. Afterward she was
disoriented and didn't know what happened. She may have been drinking
but no
had not heard a thing about that until now. Of course, what I am not seeing
is any suggestion that she was at fault or negligent beyond running a stop
sign or that she failed to do something that would have saved his life, but
it's hard to tell from here. I don't buy her as a vengeful ex. It's a l
http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Dana wrote:
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> what kid that Laura Bush killed?
~|
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on the House of F
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
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> I did not mean to imply you had called him a 'punk' but others on this
> list and others I know have.
I called him a punk because he tortured animals in a wanton and cruel
and repetitive fashion for amusement and "sport". I'll stand by that
I know. But if you are upset about an inequity between what is said about
one person and what is said about another --- it is possible that the
difference is that it is different people expressing the opinions. I am
quibbling tho. I agree that celebrities often get ofgf much lighter than
other peo
I did not mean to imply you had called him a 'punk' but others on this
list and others I know have.
I hope I am right about Vick, too. He has been given a second chance,
to not only play football, but to make a difference in other people's
lives. With that in mind, if he fucks up again, I'll be t
yeah but it cites scientific journals, which are not the publications most
known for unqualified declarative sentences :)
Still I really hope you are right about Vick. Note that I have not
called him a punk, or anything else as best I can recall.
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Scott Stroz
fair enough. My (personal) answer is "I don't know." However, I give great
weight to the fact that he and McCain were working together to get things
done when I say there is a real loss. I'd say the same about McCain if he
died tomorrow. I thought he would have been a disastrous president but he i
Jerry,
I think that is a very good point, and you may have hit the nail with
your head about how i feel about Ted Kennedy and the Kennedys in
general. Hey, I have fucked up in my life...really fucked up.but I
'manned up' and took responsibility for my actions.
Its kind of the same thing that
The closest thing that article comes to showing a 'progression' is
that 'pet abuse is one of four risk factors for intimate partner
violence.' That is a far cry from saying if you abuse animals, you
will eventually turn on people, which is the point it seemed Gruss was
trying to make.
So, it seem
No, but we should get the facts correct when possible.
And yes, she was a volunteer for Bobby's campaign.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident
I guess my feelings are that he never "manned up" to Chappaquiddick, so
never, regardless of his other good works, climbed out of that da
perhaps. Not sure and doesn't change my point does it?
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote:
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> Wasn't it a volunteer from his brother's campaign? (not his volunteer)
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Dana wrote:
>
>
> > Mind, I don't really want to engage on Kenedy's b
Wasn't it a volunteer from his brother's campaign? (not his volunteer)
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Dana wrote:
> Mind, I don't really want to engage on Kenedy's behalf here. Dead is dead
> if
> you're the victim, as you point out. However, I think we agree that he did
> not get up that
what kid that Laura Bush killed?
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Maureen wrote:
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> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> > So, once again, killing a person is OK if you are a rich, white senator
>
> No one has ever said that what Kennedy did was OK. You're spinning.
> He ma
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
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> > Because if someone is willing to plan, torture, and kill animals over
> > and over again - for fun! - it's only a matter of time before that's a
> > person.
>
> Really? I am sure you have studies which show this 'progression'.
>
> I don'
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> So, once again, killing a person is OK if you are a rich, white senator
No one has ever said that what Kennedy did was OK. You're spinning.
He made some very bad decisions and someone died, and he's spent the
years since working very hard fo
> Because if someone is willing to plan, torture, and kill animals over
> and over again - for fun! - it's only a matter of time before that's a
> person.
Really? I am sure you have studies which show this 'progression'.
So, once again, killing a person is OK if you are a rich, white
senator, k
> Anyway, Kennedy didn't kill anyone, he was negligent which resulted in a
> death.
In my mind, that is killing someone.
--
Scott Stroz
---
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who
are willing to work and give to those who would not. - Thomas
Jefferson
> Scott wrote:
>
> So, killing a dog is worse than killing a person?
>
Depending on the dog and person, absolutely.
Oh, and as far as I understand the incident, Kennedy got shit faced,
drove, crashed, and the girl died. According to the law at the time I
believe that would be - at worst - mansl
Again, I understand that what Ted Kennedy has tried to do (even if I
may not agree with him on some of it). I guess after Michael Jackson
nearly being sainted after his death and the talk of Teddy being a
'hero' (and the long standing angst I have about how some people treat
the Kennedys as quas
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> The coverage has been puke inducing, and so was the coverage of Reagan's
> death
ok so...we are on the same page kinda. I find it a little less annoying,
because I do agree with some of the things they are saying, whereas it took
a real e
The coverage has been puke inducing, and so was the coverage of Reagan's death.
Please point out where I said I did not think it was a loss, because I
must have missed it.
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Dana wrote:
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> well yeah some of the coverage must seem puke-inducing to you. Hang in
> th
well yeah some of the coverage must seem puke-inducing to you. Hang in
there, it's almost over -- the funeral is today isn't it? But I am with
Judah. The guy was nowhere near perfect, but! He is said to have been one of
the Senate's best negociators. One of the people most noted for eliciting
cons
Regardless of our differences, I hope that we can all agree on my plan
for the day, which is to drink whisky and listen to the Dead Kennedys.
Judah
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> So, if a crime, is premeditated, it is worse than one not premeditated?
>
> Using that logi
So, if a crime, is premeditated, it is worse than one not premeditated?
Using that logic then turnstile jumpers who planned to do it should
get stiffer jail sentences than someone who drives drunk and kills
someone.
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
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>> Scott wrote:
>>
>> Vick
So, killing a dog is worse than killing a person?
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
>> Scott wrote:
>>
>> Vick did not kill another human, so your analogy is kind of lost on me.
>>
>
> I would guess it's lost on you due to genetic aspects, but I'll help
> you: premeditation, fr
> Scott wrote:
>
> Vick did not kill another human, so your analogy is kind of lost on me.
>
I would guess it's lost on you due to genetic aspects, but I'll help
you: premeditation, frequency, culpability of participants/victims
~~~
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Gruss Gott wrote:
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> Let's look at it legally:
>
> (1.) let's say you go to a bar and get totally shitfaced. Then you
> fall off your stool into a guy who pushes you, so you push back, the
> guy falls, hits his head and dies...
because you went into hiding and
Vick did not kill another human, so your analogy is kind of lost on me.
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
>> Scott wrote:
>>
>> A lot of the same people who think a man convicted of dog fighting,
>> who served a prison term, should not be able to get a job in his
>> chosen prof
> Scott wrote:
>
> A lot of the same people who think a man convicted of dog fighting,
> who served a prison term, should not be able to get a job in his
> chosen profession also think that a man who killed a woman
Let's look at it legally:
(1.) let's say you go to a bar and get totally shitface
Also, Roger Goodell, the NFL commissioner, tries to run a tight ship.
If Vick gets out of line, he will get suspended, again, there is no
doubt about that.
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>>
>> When I used the word 'h
Judah,
I know a lot of people who feel the same way about professional
athletes. Unfortunately, their actions off the field are typically
only brought to the public's attention when shit goes bad (Like Vick,
or Plaxico Buress, etc...). However, these are a very small minority
of professional ath
That is a very valid point.
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:13 PM, morgan l wrote:
>
> Maybe its not what happened, but that memories are short? Most people even
> up to their mid thirties probably have no idea what you're talking about re:
> Kennedy, but the Vick thing was very recent.
>
> On Sat, Au
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> When I used the word 'hero', it was because I have seen him called a
> 'hero' in some news articles.
Suffice to say, I don't generally agree with most people spouting off
in the news. There is a reason I don't watch tv news. I also tend to
s
"The world will miss Ted Kennedy. No one was more influential and
respected than him in the Senate when it came to passing laws. He
would disarm critics and get them to co-sponsor his bills. As one
report noted, he was a steadfast champion of the working class and
the poor, a powerful voice on
Maybe its not what happened, but that memories are short? Most people even
up to their mid thirties probably have no idea what you're talking about re:
Kennedy, but the Vick thing was very recent.
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 7:57 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> When I used the word 'hero', it was becaus
When I used the word 'hero', it was because I have seen him called a
'hero' in some news articles.
I wonder how people would feel if Michael Vick drove his car off a
bridge that resulted in the death of a woman and Ted Kennedy was into
dog fighting. Honestly, I think the prison terms and public o
I didn't call Ted Kennedy a hero, you did. I have never used the
phrase about him and doubt I ever will. I think he was a good guy and
I think he spent a lifetime trying to do good by people. That doesn't
make him a hero though, that's what I want from everyone. I called him
the American Hero beca
Hero? Really? Ted Kennedy is a 'hero'? I guess the bar for the 'hero'
label has been lowered quite a bit.
I will not try to take away anything from the man's service to the
people of Massachusetts, but I think calling him a 'hero' is
stretching it quite a bit.
I love it, Teddy not only gets a p
Actually a lot of people think that a woman died in murky
circumstances in which an American Hero's judgment is certainly at
fault. And many of those people think that the person convicted of
breeding and torturing animals deliberately over a period of years for
profit and "sport" is more of a sic
A lot of the same people who think a man convicted of dog fighting,
who served a prison term, should not be able to get a job in his
chosen profession also think that a man who killed a woman, and never
went to jail, is an 'American Hero'
--
Scott Stroz
---
The democracy will cease t
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