Personally I don't think it's at all incompatible to be both proud of the
> amount we've been able to dispose of while still being appalled that such a
> significant amount was lost.
>
>
>
> Jim Davis
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: Sam Morris [m
The problem I have with it is that 350+ tons is not a small amount.
The quantity is staggering. To misplace that takes incompetence that
is simply staggering. I have always thought better of our military.
larry
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 16:09:27 -0700, Charlie Griefer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> y'know
I think you're underestimating things. There's also the collateral and
structure hits. Without doing the math - hey I just got in from Max
you expect miracles, I'd figure the totals would be considerably more
than just the estimates with the explosives alone.
larry
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 22:48:54 -00
s you know something we all don't that is. ;^)
Jim Davis
-Original Message-
From: Ken Ketsdever [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 7:01 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Kerry 298 Bush 231
"extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof".
say for in
Problem is the Dems have to win.
One of the first things Bush did when he was elected
was to work with Ted Kennedy. That didn't work, even
Ted attacks Bush daily.
Also, the Republicans don't have the hate for Kerry so
we can accept him as President. A lot of people on
this list will never accept
>
> My hope is that when Mr. Kerry wins he'll appoint many of the other
> party to his staff. I've heard John McCain for SecDef and that
> there's a place for Chuch Hagel.
>
I agree. I don't know if Kerry will do it, but Bush has had 4 years to
do it and didn't. I respect the fact that roughly
Is that the max amount of deaths you can come up with?
What if it they blew up every dam with it flooding
towns and cities. Lot's of full planes over maybe the
super bowl. Maybe a few cruise ships while we're at
it.
And it's all Bushies fault because he wouldn't leave
Saddam alone.
When you go t
Good point
-Original Message-
From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 3:46 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Kerry 298 Bush 231
Would we be as forgiving if we were told: "we were able to secure nearly
10,000 nuclear warheads! We did misplace two
"extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof".
say for instance claims of imminent threats? Possession of WMD? those type of claims?
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 17:25:03 -0500, Jim Davis
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I saw no valid comparisons to Hitler. There was no discussion of qualities
or simila
is because he's being groomed for a run in 2008, but it
could be any number of reasons.
Jim Davis
-Original Message-
From: William Bowen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 6:48 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Kerry 298 Bush 231
> Or, you can blame it on
nly I could find one of
those safer places.
-Original Message-
From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 3:10 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Kerry 298 Bush 231
This is so tiring. Can we ever get passed it?
So how many lives did we save be destr
They weren't my words, they're from Slate:
I was just pointing out the spin.
http://slate.msn.com/id/210/
The Post's Oct. 29 piece provides important context
with an early quotation from military analyst Anthony
H. Cordesman. "There is something truly absurd about
focusing on 377 tons of rat
> Or, you can blame it on the soldiers like Rudy Guiliani did. What a schmuck.
Agreed, never thought he'd turn out to be a chicken hawk, too.
--
--
will
"If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be unacceptable."
- Carrie Fisher
ost.
Jim Davis
-Original Message-
From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 6:10 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Kerry 298 Bush 231
This is so tiring. Can we ever get passed it?
So how many lives did we save be destroying
999,620 tons?
Are we done here?
> They just had a thread about how rude it was to say
> Clinton was not my President.
Since I started that thread i'll jump in on this point...
my query wasn't so much to say "how rude" it was. Just remarking that
that particular sentiment did not seem to be prevalent in this
election.
I guess y
Or, you can blame it on the soldiers like Rudy Guiliani did. What a schmuck.
--- On Tuesday, November 02, 2004 6:34 PM, Gruss Gott scribed: ---
>
> It is evidence of poor planning, too few troops to do the job
> properly, and almost no plan to manage the country after the invasion.
> That's why
Before the war:
1 million tons of expolsives in the hands of the Iraqi government
none of these explosives given to terrorists
After the war:
no explosives in the hands of the Iraqi government
??? tons in the hands of terrorists.
--- On Tuesday, November 02, 2004 6:09 PM, Sam Morris scribed:
> Sam wrote:
> The glass is half full!
> but why focus on the tiny amount that slipped through the cracks?
As I've said before the reason to focus on this "tiny amount" is
because the Pentagon cannot account for what amount if any existed at
an IAEA tagged site. It is not the amount, it is the po
gt;
> Jim Davis
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 5:00 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Kerry 298 Bush 231
>
> > Jim wrote:
> > Personally I find that off-the-cuff remarks are ofte
> The thing that scares me the most about Kerry is what
> I here from his supporters.
And what, pray tell, do you hear from Kerry supporters that scares you so?
Things like this?
"If we make the wrong choice, then the danger is that we'll get hit
again" - Dick Cheney, September 2004
"...committe
This is so tiring. Can we ever get passed it?
So how many lives did we save be destroying
999,620 tons?
Are we done here?
--- Paul Vernon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > you've never worked with explosives. 380 tons is a
> hell of a large amount
> > and more than enough to make a lot of our pe
y'know, i hesitate to contribute to these threads 'cuz I feel like
poor Sam gets ganged up on (or at least, is significantly
outnumbered), and I do feel bad for that.
but to say 380 tons is 'decimal dust'...well, I have a hard time
believing if it were the Kerry camp in charge that you'd be so
for
> you've never worked with explosives. 380 tons is a hell of a large amount
> and more than enough to make a lot of our people hurt or killed from
IED's.
> I am sure that those soldiers killed or mutilated will love to know that
> what happened was just digital debris.
So I did the math
I us
The glass is half full!
999,620 tons are now off the streets. Many times more
than was even known about.
We can't get all the explosives and weapons out of the
hands of the enemy but why focus on the tiny amount
that slipped through the cracks?
I'm not saying we don't care that they have the
exp
you've never worked with explosives. 380 tons is a hell of a large
amount and more than enough to make a lot of our people hurt or killed
from IED's. I am sure that those soldiers killed or mutilated will
love to know that what happened was just digital debris.
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 14:29:47 -0800 (
1,000,000 tons
vs
380 tons.
Do the math.
What's your problem with me today?
They just had a thread about how rude it was to say
Clinton was not my President.
If someone want's to leave the country beacuse they
hate our system so much why slow them down.
--- "Larry C. Lyons" <[EM
hat's fine if
there's proof. As the saying goes: "extraordinary claims require
extraordinary proof".
Jim Davis
-Original Message-
From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 5:00 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Kerry 298 Bush 231
> Ji
as opposed to such statements as "Don't let the door slam on your ass
on the way out" or talkin about 350 tons as decimal debris.
larry
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:17:50 -0800 (PST), Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I aggree.
>
> The thing that scares me the most about Kerry is what
> I here f
> Jim wrote:
> Personally I find that off-the-cuff remarks are often the most honest and
> that worries me. This is hardly the first time that this kind of sentiment
> has been voiced here.
You may be getting too politically correct here.
Accusing someone of being a genocidal sociopath is taboo,
Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 4:28 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Kerry 298 Bush 231
> Matthew Fusfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> While I can't say I liked everything Clinton did, I think part of the
> reason he is generally considered t
nd of sentiment
has been voiced here.
It just struck me more clearly as it was the first thing I read after coming
home from voting.
Jim Davis
-Original Message-
From: John Stanley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 3:36 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Kerry 298 Bus
> Matthew Fusfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> While I can't say I liked everything Clinton did, I think part of the
> reason he is generally considered to be more successful was he had an
> opposition-party Congress to deal with during a large part of his
> term.
My hope is that when Mr. Kerry w
I aggree.
The thing that scares me the most about Kerry is what
I here from his supporters.
-sm
--- Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Honestly the last bunch of messages in this thread
> really sicken me. I just
> took my six year old son to vote and he was more
> mature about it that so
ill be infuriating if we see a simple
> consolidation of the existing base while ignoring critics.
>
> Jim Davis
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Ousterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:56 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Sub
> C'mon Jim that's a bit harsh for a couple of off the cuff remarks.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 3:26 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Kerry 298 Bush 231
>
> Honestly t
C'mon Jim that's a bit harsh for a couple of off the cuff remarks.
-Original Message-
From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 3:26 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Kerry 298 Bush 231
Honestly the last bunch of messages in this thread really
Honestly the last bunch of messages in this thread really sicken me. I just
took my six year old son to vote and he was more mature about it that some
of the people on this thread.
I will support the president as selected by the process.
Remember however that "support" does not mean "deify": no
> Ken wrote:
> I heard he was looking at changing his title to Fuhrer.
PTH* Value = 12. Boy that's really going to bring our mean down!
(PTH = Posts to Hitler)
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-Original Message-
From: Ken Ketsdever [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 2:50 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Kerry 298 Bush 231
I heard he was looking at changing his title to Fuhrer.
-Original Message-
From: John Stanley [mailto:[EMAIL
I heard he was looking at changing his title to Fuhrer.
-Original Message-
From: John Stanley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 11:00 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Kerry 298 Bush 231
Bush has reportedly vowed that if he loses the election, he will ring the
Yes, he is also the creator of the Minix OS that some claimed Linux was stolen from!
>-Original Message-
>From: Kevin Graeme
>
>The creator of the electoral-vote site has come out of anonymity.
>http://tinyurl.com/5aqje
Outbound email scanned for viruses. (e230)
~~~
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 1:56 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Kerry 298 Bush 231
The creator of the electoral-vote site has come out of anonymity.
http://tinyurl.com/5aqje
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:57:25 -0600, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> BTW electoral-vote.com has the
gt; Jim Davis
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 12:00 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Kerry 298 Bush 231
> >
> > 1.) Toss out the electoral college in favor of in
e
> popular vote.
>
> Jim Davis
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 12:00 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Kerry 298 Bush 231
>
> 1.) Toss out the electoral college in favor of instant ru
offer much
that same benefits without requiring changes at the federal level) or a pure
popular vote.
Jim Davis
-Original Message-
From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 12:00 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Kerry 298 Bush 231
1.) Toss out the elec
1.) Toss out the electoral college in favor of instant runoff.
2.) Make election day a national holiday.
3.) Federally funded elections with a 50 state tour.
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:34:38 -0600, Andy Ousterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Once cast, there is no weak or strong vote. The point bein
Once cast, there is no weak or strong vote. The point being that more of
Kerry's electoral votes are at risk then Bush's. But that is all academic
at this point. Let the challenges begin!
Andy
-Original Message-
From: Ken Ketsdever
But a single weak vote equals a single strong vote.
But a single weak vote equals a single strong vote.
-Original Message-
From: Andy Ousterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 7:56 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Kerry 298 Bush 231
Obviously a leftist publication bent on bending the will of the undecided
wimps
sting base while ignoring critics.
Jim Davis
-Original Message-
From: Andy Ousterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:56 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Kerry 298 Bush 231
Obviously a leftist publication bent on bending the will of the undecided
wimps who wa
sting
Andy
-Original Message-
From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 9:38 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Kerry 298 Bush 231
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