Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-07 Thread Dana
Welp, I'd have bet money that *you* thought so :) BUt never mind... I said I'd play nice for a while. /me wanders off On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You're the number two offender. But I bet you didn't know that :) > > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Dana <[E

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-07 Thread Sam
You're the number two offender. But I bet you didn't know that :) On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > eh. I am not sure I agree with you there. There are repetitive > posts...and a fair amount of "you liberals" headbanging with "you > Bushies". While the partisa

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-07 Thread Dana
eh. I am not sure I agree with you there. There are repetitive posts...and a fair amount of "you liberals" headbanging with "you Bushies". While the partisan nature of some posts is wearing in the long run, I think a lot of it (on both sides) comes from people who really really want to convince

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-07 Thread Dana
oh come on, just when I had decided he was kidding :) Torture is such a warm and fuzzy concept after all. On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree with that. > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Scott Stroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I feel that the u

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Charlie Griefer
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for following through with this. > no problem. i'm still hoping i can get you to marry my sister so i can get access to your mp3s. -- I have failed as much as I have succeeded. But I love my life. I love my wife

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Jerry Johnson
Thanks for following through with this. I think the difference in our interpretations was the difference in that "set of people". I read Bruce's statement as follows: "Funny how all the names you named are conservatives. So are we to assume that conservatives are monsters, and liberals are not?"

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Charlie Griefer
i read the "none of your so called liberals" as meaning no liberal. none of. and bear in mind, as I've stated, history plays heavily into my interpretation. And it's really not fair (or accurate) to suggest or imply that it's only with one person. I've felt like there has been a constant and ong

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Jerry Johnson
laziness. which is a curse. so "none of your so called liberals" and "pet conservative". What was the "set" of people you read those as? On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Charlie Griefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > When he said "your so called liberals" and "pet conservatives", I read > > "ta

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Charlie Griefer
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK, to go back to Larry's statement: > > "none of your so called liberals advocated torture or indefinite detention, > warrantless wiretapping, big handouts to the rich or to campaign > contributors, no bid contracts to th

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Jerry Johnson
Yeah, my excitement got ahead of my reading and comprehension. I thought you were taking the sentence "How many of your pet conservatives advocated the same?" and throwing it back on him as "none of your so called liberals advocated" rewriting the same thing as negatives, to show a point. Whi

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Jerry Johnson
OK, to go back to Larry's statement: "none of your so called liberals advocated torture or indefinite detention, warrantless wiretapping, big handouts to the rich or to campaign contributors, no bid contracts to their own companies or starting wars of aggression. How many of your pet conservatives

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Charlie Griefer
Accusation or not... you attributed text to me that I did not type. As far as "do people really believe it?"... some of them do, yes. I mentioned my step-father in another thread. He's a Rush Limbaugh zombie. Tells me CNN is (and i quote) "not a reputable news source", but believes Fox News is f

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Scott Stroz
Well, a slang term for 'dectective' is 'dick', so, you never know. On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:23 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > gMoney wrote: > > Well played Scott. > > > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Scott Stroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> I feel that the use of the word

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Gruss Gott
> gMoney wrote: > Well played Scott. > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Scott Stroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I feel that the use of the word 'monster' demonizes the person and makes >> them appear less than human. >> Yeah, but a monster is different from a demon. Monster: 2. any crea

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Jerry Johnson
Sorry, wasnt really meant as an accusation, was really curious. I was just excited. Thought I saw a possible reason for the complete "black and white" stuff I hear all the time. For example, do the people who called Obama a "Socialist" truly believe it? Or people that make fun of Fox News really

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Scott Stroz
I am kind of confused as to where you thnk Charlie mistyped text that in no way appears anywhere in his reply. On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You cut out a word there. > > Why did you do that? Was that on purpose? > > It completely changes the meaning o

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Charlie Griefer
um... i didn't type "How many of you conservatives advocated the same". I typed (well, copied/pasted) "last I checked, none of your so called liberals advocated..." Before you start accusing me of twisting somebody's words, please make sure that you're looking at the words that I used. It helps s

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Jerry Johnson
You cut out a word there. Why did you do that? Was that on purpose? It completely changes the meaning of the statement. He typed "How many of your pet conservatives advocated the same?" You typed "How many of you conservatives advocated the same?" Those are 2 completely different statements.

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread G Money
Well played Scott. On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Scott Stroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I feel that the use of the word 'monster' demonizes the person and makes > them appear less than human. > > Larry, surely you will agree with me on this one? > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Gruss Gott

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Jerry Johnson
I agree with that. On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Scott Stroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I feel that the use of the word 'monster' demonizes the person and makes > them appear less than human. > > Larry, surely you will agree with me on this one? > ~~~

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Charlie Griefer
surely that would depend on whether or not they were tree-hugging monsters. On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Scott Stroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I feel that the use of the word 'monster' demonizes the person and makes > them appear less than human. > > Larry, surely you will agree with me on

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Scott Stroz
I feel that the use of the word 'monster' demonizes the person and makes them appear less than human. Larry, surely you will agree with me on this one? On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sgt Sorge wrote: > > So then all conservatives are monsters and libera

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Jerry Johnson
Oh, God. Gruss. Add the smilies when you type that. On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sgt Sorge wrote: > > So then all conservatives are monsters and liberals are not? Liberals > don't > > do anything wrong? Gotcha! > > > > No, Sarge, all *social conservati

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sgt Sorge wrote: > So then all conservatives are monsters and liberals are not? Liberals don't > do anything wrong? Gotcha! > No, Sarge, all *social conservatives* are monsters. If only due to their wide stance. * Fiscal conservatives are confused trying to find which party matches them best.

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Scott Stroz
+1 On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Charlie Griefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Yes. Really. > "last I checked, none of your so called liberals advocated..." > > key phrase there being 'none'. *none*. so yeah, seemed to me like an > all-or-nothing statement that garnered an all-or-nothing react

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Charlie Griefer
Yes. Really. "last I checked, none of your so called liberals advocated..." key phrase there being 'none'. *none*. so yeah, seemed to me like an all-or-nothing statement that garnered an all-or-nothing reaction. I could go thru the archives and pull out more, I'm sure, but I just don't see tha

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Jerry Johnson
Really? Well said? Where in any of the previous statements has _anything_ even remotely like that been said? It is these "all or nothing" reactions that just have to stop. Have to. They are the real and main problem that America has today. If Bruce's statement was a joke or an obvious over-the-t

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Charlie Griefer
well said, sir. On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So then all conservatives are monsters and liberals are not? Liberals don't > do anything wrong? Gotcha! > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Larry Lyons wrote: > > > last I checked, none of your so called li

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Bruce Sorge
So then all conservatives are monsters and liberals are not? Liberals don't do anything wrong? Gotcha! On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Larry Lyons wrote: > last I checked, none of your so called liberals advocated torture or > indefinite detention, warrantless wiretapping, big handouts to the ric

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Sam
Check again. Clinton created rendition, the dems voted for wiretaps and were on the panels that initially approved it. Handouts to the rich? Have you not been following the banking crisis? On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Funny how all the names you named

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Larry Lyons
>Funny how all the names you named are conservatives. So are we to assume >that conservatives are monsters, and liberals are not? > last I checked, none of your so called liberals advocated torture or indefinite detention, warrantless wiretapping, big handouts to the rich or to campaign contribut

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Gruss Gott
> JJ wrote: > I doubt that Krugman reads this list, so probably cannot answer. =) > > Gruss, do you have the original link? DOH! http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/05/the-monster-years/ Wow, Sarge thinks I'm Krugman?? Holy crap I MUST sound liberal. Well I guess for now I am. ~~

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Jerry Johnson
I doubt that Krugman reads this list, so probably cannot answer. =) Gruss, do you have the original link? On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Funny how all the names you named are conservatives. So are we to assume > that conservatives are monsters, and libe

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Bruce Sorge
Funny how all the names you named are conservatives. So are we to assume that conservatives are monsters, and liberals are not? On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > The monster years > > Last night wasn't just a victory for tolerance; it wasn't just a > mandate for progressive chan

Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-06 Thread Gruss Gott
The monster years Last night wasn't just a victory for tolerance; it wasn't just a mandate for progressive change; it was also, I hope, the end of the monster years. What I mean by that is that for the past 14 years America's political life has been largely dominated by, well, monsters. Monsters