On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 1:30 AM, Cameron Childress wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 3:12 AM, denstar wrote:
>> Let's everyone argue over what color to paint the shed.
>
> I think we should paint the shed Fairtax.
>
> Look! I can do it too!
Bravo! =]
Good Night, and Good Luck
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On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 3:12 AM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Let's everyone argue over what color to paint the shed.
I think we should paint the shed Fairtax.
Look! I can do it too!
-Cameron
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On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 1:12 AM, denstar wrote:
> Yes, lets!
Let us, even.
Exit, stage right.
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On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:28 AM, Cameron Childress wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Dana wrote:
>> because a $500 tax rebate costs less than subsidizing Exxon?
>
> This has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand. But feel
> free to discuss it if you want.
Yes, lets!
People
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> because a $500 tax rebate costs less than subsidizing Exxon?
This has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand. But feel
free to discuss it if you want.
-Cameron
because a $500 tax rebate costs less than subsidizing Exxon?
On 8/19/08, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 10:20 AM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The funny thing is, I wonder how many republicans are on some type of
> > federal aid.
> >
> > I bet it's
You know, I did a good bit of work with various TANF (welfare to work,
whatever) programs over the years.
There are some people that milk the system, but it sure as hell ain't
the majority, whatever people tell you.
It can be a real bitch-- Sometimes it seems like the cards are stacked
against, a
> As I said, I am in favor of programs that give people opportunities,
> especially in places like DC where poverty is entrenched in
> communities. Ultimately, though, is it society's responsibility to
> take care of people who refuse to take care of themselves?
Ah, but our idea of what "taking c
That's one of the things that alarmed me most about the public school
system in Washington, DC. The put among the highest per student
dollars into the system in the country, and they have one of the worst
school systems in the country. That's the culture of poverty at work.
Parents teaching their c
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Welfare in MN is given this way via debit cards that are re-loadable.
> An investigation has shown that the cards have been used in all 50
> states.
>
> That is, for some reason, Minnesotans who are too poor to buy baby
> form
> Beth wrote:
> winter. Originally the plan was to give out credit card thingies which
> would be able to be used at gas pumps and for utility bills only
Welfare in MN is given this way via debit cards that are re-loadable.
An investigation has shown that the cards have been used in all 50
states
>My family will save that 1200 (x3) for use during the expensive
>winter. Poor folks will buy a big screen LCD TV and a trip to seattle to buy
>expensive clothes.
Yeah, frustrating isn't it? It may seem totally backwards to us, because those
of us raised in middle class know all about money man
>So if poor people have the wrong priorities, what good will better skills do
>them? How would they even get the skills without having the desire to learn
>them?
It's not a lack of desire to learn them, that's where the misconception comes
in. It's simply the culture of poverty. Is it difficult t
niggas be havin babies erryday here, gettin mo money fo each one foo
trussit.
-- tony
Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace.
-- siddhartha gautama
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tony wrote:
>> we should put limits on the
Tony wrote:
> we should put limits on the number of kids... if you come into the
> system with 3, you are appropriated for 3. if you have more, tough
> shit... figure it out or stop fucking.
Umm, this may be out of date or this may be a regional thing, but for
the 1 month that I got public assist
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Beth Fleischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mary Jo, your comments struck a chord with me .I
[...]
> My family will save that 1200 (x3) for use during the expensive
> winter. Poor folks will buy a big screen LCD TV and a trip to seattle to buy
> expensive clothes.
"CF-Community"
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: Like I said, Obama is a socialist
> >Rich people shouldn't be so upset about poor people getting handouts.
> >Poor
>>people are poor after all because they spend everything they make buying
Subject: Re: Like I said, Obama is a socialist
>Rich people shouldn't be so upset about poor people getting handouts.
>Poor people are poor after all because they spend everything they make
>buying stuff from rich people.
"It's not that poor people are stupid or lack co
>we should MANDATE real job searching and limits to the time you can be
>on welfare
>
>we should put limits on the number of kids... if you come into the
>system with 3, you are appropriated for 3. if you have more, tough
>shit... figure it out or stop fucking.
Far too simplistic. There's no doub
we should drug test them. hands down no questions asked.
we should MANDATE real job searching and limits to the time you can be
on welfare
we should put limits on the number of kids... if you come into the
system with 3, you are appropriated for 3. if you have more, tough
shit... figure it out or
This is exactly the issue with handouts. I'm all for tax credits on
education, job training programs, relocation assistance, school
vouchers- anything to give people an opportunity to improve their own
situation. But giving people cash for nothing? It doesn't break the
cycle, particularly in genera
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Remember, this is supposed to be a program for everyone,
> and yet under Obama's proposal, a whole chunk of people would never
> get back even what they put into it. That isn't fair and it isn't
> right.
I would gladly give
We already spend over a trillion dollars a year at home - just on
Social Security and Medicare.
I don't really want that money spent either way, but the war is a
one-time cost, whereas domestic taxation and spending, once it gets
enacted, is extremely hard to remove, and it becomes a drain on the
>Rich people shouldn't be so upset about poor people getting handouts. Poor
>people are poor after all because they spend everything they make buying
>stuff from rich people.
I wonder how many people really have studied poverty and understand a lot of
what goes on in generational poverty. I am a
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Billy Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think that the difference between liberal and conservative has more to do
> with whose pocket the money goes into.
Yeah mean who's pocket it goes into *first*, not where it eventually ends up.
> In a capitalist economy, th
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:04 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think what denstar was wondering was how many people who voted against
> such social welfare programs, would be averse to using them should they find
> themselves in that situation?
A program that was a safety net? Hopefully
st 19, 2008 9:54 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Like I said, Obama is a socialist
Voting for things that use the Fed Govt to take money out of someone else's
pocket and put it in yours is a liberal ideal, not a conservative one.
There is no "us vs them" in this. Federal Aid should
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> I fail to see any significance in the party affiliation of the recipients.
I think what denstar was wondering was how many people who voted against
such social welfare programs, would be averse to using them should th
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 10:20 AM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The funny thing is, I wonder how many republicans are on some type of
> federal aid.
>
> I bet it's a larger number than you'd think.
Voting for things that use the Fed Govt to take money out of someone
else's pocket and put it
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:38 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ideally we wouldn't be spending 1 trillion dollars ANYWHERE. We don't need
> wars and we don't need extended welfare programs..
+1
> McCain provides the
> war, Obama provides the welfare.at this juncture, i'll take the
true... ideally...
-- tony
Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace.
-- siddhartha gautama
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:38 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ideally we wouldn't be spending 1 trillion dollars ANYWHERE. We don't need
> wars and we don't need extende
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:38 AM, G Money wrote:
> Ideally we wouldn't be spending 1 trillion dollars ANYWHERE. We don't need
> wars and we don't need extended welfare programs..McCain provides the
> war, Obama provides the welfare.at this juncture, i'll take the welfare
> over the war.
The
Ideally we wouldn't be spending 1 trillion dollars ANYWHERE. We don't need
wars and we don't need extended welfare programs..McCain provides the
war, Obama provides the welfare.at this juncture, i'll take the welfare
over the war.
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w
id rather spend 1 trillion here on these people than 1 trillion
on a fucking war in iraq.
what part of that doesnt make sense to you? seriously man, you are
a smart guy... but damn...
-- tony
Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace.
-- siddhartha gautama
On Tue, Aug
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121910303529751345.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Obama's Tax Plan
Is Really a Welfare Plan
By PETER FERRARA
August 19, 2008; Page A17
Barack Obama's tax plan is the opposite of supply-side economics. He
proposes to raise marginal rates for just about every federal tax. H
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