Re: Obama: It’s time for Augusta golf club to admi t wo men membe

2012-04-05 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Brian Thornton br...@cfdeveloper.comwrote: It's commonplace to know that the president is very careful to decide what to speak on and what to dodge and what not... We've kind of passed the time that women should be excluded from anything, Carney said.

Re: Obama: It’s time for Augusta golf club to admi t wo men memb

2012-04-05 Thread Scott Stroz
Augusta is a private club. They can allow whomever they wish. Members pay dues to set the rules. Not sure how its any different than, http://www.lucilleroberts.com/ I would love to join the VFW, but, I don't meet the membership requirements. On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Cameron Childress

Re: Obama: It’s time for Augusta golf club to admi t wo men mem

2012-04-05 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Augusta is a private club. They can allow whomever they wish. Members pay dues to set the rules. Not sure how its any different than, http://www.lucilleroberts.com/ The news isn't turning Lucille Roberts into an issue

Re: Obama: It’s time for Augusta golf club to admi t wo men mem

2012-04-05 Thread Judah McAuley
Augusta gets to set their own rules, hence why no one is forcing them to accept women and why they only just recently accepted black folks as members. That, however, does not mean that outside folks should not suggest that they change their rules and that is precisely what happened in this case.

Re: Obama: It’s time for Augusta golf club to admi t wo men me

2012-04-05 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: Lucille Roberts is about a space for women to work out where they don't feel like they are being judged by men. The gender of the people at the facility is obviously directly related to the mission, the intent of the

Re: Obama: It’s time for Augusta golf club to admi t wo men m

2012-04-05 Thread Judah McAuley
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: In this way - they are the same... Augusta National is about a space for man to play golf where they don't feel like they are being judged by women. The gender of the people at the facility is obviously directly

Re: Obama: It’s time for Augusta golf club to admi t wo men me

2012-04-05 Thread Scott Stroz
Both Augusta National and Lucille Roberts limit membership to their clubs based on the sex/gender (and in Augusta's case, wealth) of the individual seeking membership. Simplified? Maybe. Untrue? Nope. I also don't think either should be forced to change those policies. If they receive public

Re: Obama: It’s time for Augusta golf club to admi t wo men m

2012-04-05 Thread Judah McAuley
Who is saying they should be forced to change? No one that I've seen. People are saying they should change, yes, but forced? That's you putting words in the mouths of others. You wanted to know how it is different and why people aren't complaining about Lucille Roberts. I explained. Judah On

Re: Obama: It’s time for Augusta golf club to admi t wo men m

2012-04-05 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Exactly if they accept fed funds then they have to follow fed rules. however it gets more difficult to discern when the lines between public and private become very blurred. On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Both Augusta National and Lucille Roberts limit

Re: Obama: It’s time for Augusta golf club to admi t wo men

2012-04-05 Thread Larry C. Lyons
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women! sorry wrong barbarian. On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: That isn't their

Re: Obama: It’s time for Augusta golf club to admi t wo men

2012-04-05 Thread Judah McAuley
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: That isn't their mission, though, so no, it isn't the same. Really? What is Augusta National's mission statement? They don't seem to

Re: Obama: It’s time for Augusta golf club to admi t wo men

2012-04-05 Thread Judah McAuley
I'd agree with influence. But why do you think it is bad to try and use your celebrity to influence a policy (public or private) that you feel is outdated and discriminatory? Cheers, Judah On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Poor choice of words. Maybe

Re: Obama: It’s time for Augusta golf club to admi t wo men

2012-04-05 Thread Larry C. Lyons
There's also the issue of public space. There have been several court cases that went over this. On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:27 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Where is that line blurry? Either they get public funds or they don't, doesn't seem to be a lot of grey area. Sounds like

Re: Obama: It’s time for Augusta golf club to admi t wo men

2012-04-05 Thread GMoney
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Poor choice of words. Maybe 'force' is a bit to strong. There are people who use their 'celebrity' to try and push the issue (with Augusta) by making public statements about their membership policies. May not be 'forcing'