Re: [politics] wait... this one is better

2005-11-18 Thread Dana
it *is* the domino argument. On 11/18/05, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We broke it? I thought the whole point of going in was that Saddam had > broken it. > > I cannot in my wildest imagination ever imagine any scenario where Iraq will > be stablized. Regardless of when we leave, chaos is

Re: [politics] wait... this one is better

2005-11-18 Thread Dana
ied. > > We have to stay, and we have to do the right thing. > > Tim > > > -Original Message- > > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 1:47 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: [politics] wait... this one is

Re: [politics] wait... this one is better

2005-11-18 Thread Gruss Gott
> Howie wrote: > Like it or not the country was at least stable when Saddam was in power. I'd change this somewhat to say that the region was stable with Hussein in power. Will Iraq itself ever be stable? Yeah, I think it can be done but as I said, we need an insurgency-capable Administration a

Re: [politics] wait... this one is better

2005-11-18 Thread Howie Hamlin
--- On Friday, November 18, 2005 10:00 AM, Maureen scribed: --- > > We broke it? I thought the whole point of going in was that Saddam had > broken it. > Like it or not the country was at least stable when Saddam was in power. Now there are insurrgencies everywhere and there would be a complete

Re: [politics] wait... this one is better

2005-11-18 Thread Maureen
We broke it? I thought the whole point of going in was that Saddam had broken it. I cannot in my wildest imagination ever imagine any scenario where Iraq will be stablized. Regardless of when we leave, chaos is going to erupt. This sounds remarkably like the Domino argument for why we couldn't le

Re: [politics] wait... this one is better

2005-11-18 Thread Gruss Gott
> Howie wrote: > We have to stay becuase of the Pottery Barn rule - we broke it now we have to > fix it. Yup - basically if we left Iraq we'd create a new Afghanistan and probably much worse. What we need is an administration and Pentagon that knows how to beat an insurgency. Mr. McCain's point

Re: [politics] wait... this one is better

2005-11-18 Thread Howie Hamlin
We have to stay becuase of the Pottery Barn rule - we broke it now we have to fix it. If we leave now the country will likely become far worse than it is now and might even erupt into a 3-way civil war and could potentially draw Turkey, Syria and Iran into the conflict. We have to stay until t

Re: [politics] wait... this one is better

2005-11-18 Thread Howie Hamlin
It does matter how we got there. However, it is a very serious matter regarding how we get out. We can't just leave before the country is stabilized. Howie --- On Friday, November 18, 2005 2:04 AM, Loathe scribed: --- > > Dana, > > I am asking you, personally. > > Please stop. > > Who cares

Re: [politics] wait... this one is better

2005-11-18 Thread Maureen
Why do we have to stay and what is the "right thing"? On 11/18/05, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Americans have died. > > We have to stay, and we have to do the right thing. > > > ~| Get the mailserver that powers this

Re: [politics] wait... this one is better

2005-11-17 Thread William Bowen
> Who cares how we got there. > > Americans have died. > > We have to stay, and we have to do the right thing. "Doing the right thing" in this case, means prosecuting criminals. The people being prosecuted in this case have only compounded the perception problem that Americans face in the world.

RE: [politics] wait... this one is better

2005-11-17 Thread Loathe
ty > Subject: Re: [politics] wait... this one is better > > > my favorite part: this guy has a public defender > > On 11/17/05, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Issuing Contracts, Ex-Convict Took Bribes in Iraq, U.S. Says > > > > Sign In to E-Mail

Re: [politics] wait... this one is better

2005-11-17 Thread Dana
my favorite part: this guy has a public defender On 11/17/05, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Issuing Contracts, Ex-Convict Took Bribes in Iraq, U.S. Says > > Sign In to E-Mail This > Printer-Friendly > Single-Page > Reprints > Save Article > By JAMES GLANZ > Published: November 18, 2005 > A Nor