RE: Finally gave in...

2011-02-23 Thread Eric Roberts
I'm not so far gone that he has his own FB page though hehehehe -Original Message- From: Casey Dougall [mailto:ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 15:40 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Finally gave in... On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Eric Roberts

Re: Finally gave in...

2011-02-23 Thread Casey Dougall
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > Me being the cat person that I am resisted my wife and daughter's efforts > to > get a dog for years, but I finally gave in. A couple of weeks ago we > acquired a 4 month old Rottweiler/(we think)Doberma

RE: Finally gave in...

2011-02-23 Thread Eric Roberts
o: cf-community Subject: Re: Finally gave in... Dude...sounds like you are all gone. lol It's important that he sees the cats as higher in the pecking order than he is, so for his adult life he'll never think of attacking them and will always view them as members of his little pack. On 23 F

Re: Finally gave in...

2011-02-23 Thread Vivec
Dude...sounds like you are all gone. lol It's important that he sees the cats as higher in the pecking order than he is, so for his adult life he'll never think of attacking them and will always view them as members of his little pack. On 23 February 2011 12:35, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Me being

Re: Finally gave in...

2011-02-23 Thread Medic
Yay for dogs. Yay for cats too, but more yay more dogs. On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > Me being the cat person that I am resisted my wife and daughter's efforts > to > get a dog for years, but I finally gave in. A couple of weeks ag

RE: Finally excavated!!!

2011-02-02 Thread Eric Roberts
ide of the drift. I finally had to get a broomstick to collapse the drift before I hit it with the blower to be able to get through. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 16:31 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Finally excavated!!!

RE: Finally excavated!!!

2011-02-02 Thread Eric Roberts
Up until sometime after midnight, the end of our driveway was completely clear... -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 16:31 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Finally excavated!!! This is a pic from the last snow storm we had

RE: Finally excavated!!!

2011-02-02 Thread Eric Roberts
waves on the lake cause an icy spray that was adding to the horrid conditions last night. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 15:26 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Finally excavated!!! I got stuck working as a paramedic during

Re: Finally excavated!!!

2011-02-02 Thread Scott Stroz
//www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=498415937333&set=a.402540657333.18164 > 0.711717333&ref=nf > > -Original Message- > From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:chumph...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 12:31 > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Finally excavated!!

RE: Finally excavated!!!

2011-02-02 Thread Eric Roberts
. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:chumph...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 12:31 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Finally excavated!!! >> Yay! Finally excavated from our snowy enclosure.  I had snow drifts >> in the driveway that were 4ft deep.  The official snowfall >> measureme

Re: Finally excavated!!!

2011-02-02 Thread Scott Stroz
I got stuck working as a paramedic during the blizzard in January 1996 in NJ. I was stuck on the truck for over 48 hours because no one was able to get in to relieve me. You would think that given how bad the weather was, people would only call 911 for real emergencies. You would think that, but

RE: Finally excavated!!!

2011-02-02 Thread Eric Roberts
4 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Finally excavated!!! On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > Yay! Finally excavated from our snowy enclosure. I had snow drifts in > the driveway that were 4ft deep. The official snowfall mea

Re: Finally excavated!!!

2011-02-02 Thread Ras Tafari
i was in baltimore for the 1979 one... and i have the EXACT same memory of tunneling, etc. what a great storm that was!! On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > What is bad is this wasn't the worst. I don't know what the official > totals > wer

Re: Finally excavated!!!

2011-02-02 Thread Medic
> > The official snowfall measurement at OHare airport was 23". Bah. That's nothing. You should move up here. ;) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=

Re: Finally excavated!!!

2011-02-02 Thread Ray Champagne
you got pictures? TPIWWP On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > Yay! Finally excavated from our snowy enclosure. I had snow drifts in the > driveway that were 4ft deep. The official snowfall measurement at OHare > airport was 23". Glad tha

Re: Finally excavated!!!

2011-02-02 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
>> Yay! Finally excavated from our snowy enclosure.  I had snow drifts in the >> driveway that were 4ft deep.  The official snowfall measurement at OHare >> airport was 23".  Glad that is over with.  It took me an hour and a half >> with a snowblower and my wife helping with a shovel to clear a pa

Re: Finally excavated!!!

2011-02-02 Thread Casey Dougall
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > Yay! Finally excavated from our snowy enclosure. I had snow drifts in the > driveway that were 4ft deep. The official snowfall measurement at OHare > airport was 23". Glad that is over with. It took me

Re: Finally, a social networking site with both gibble AND spink.

2010-06-02 Thread Medic
"Yo bro, take your pants off bro. It'll be cool bro, gonna be so cool bro." On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 7:34 PM, denstar wrote: > > Ja, after the one you posted, I couldn't resist. > > They have a rock'n sense of humor, IMO! > > :Den > > -- > Those who believe in God because their experience of lif

Re: Finally, a social networking site with both gibble AND spink.

2010-06-01 Thread denstar
Ja, after the one you posted, I couldn't resist. They have a rock'n sense of humor, IMO! :Den -- Those who believe in God because their experience of life and the facts of nature prove his existence must have led sheltered lives and closed their hearts to the voice of their brothers' blood. Wa

Re: Finally, a social networking site with both gibble AND spink.

2010-06-01 Thread Medic
Check out more of their skits. Some of them are pretty awesome. On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 7:17 PM, denstar wrote: > > LOL! That was awesome. I like the sense of humor *so* much. Thanks! > > :Den > > -- > The great artist is the man who most obviously succeeds in turning his > pains to advantage

Re: Finally, a social networking site with both gibble AND spink.

2010-06-01 Thread denstar
LOL! That was awesome. I like the sense of humor *so* much. Thanks! :Den -- The great artist is the man who most obviously succeeds in turning his pains to advantage, in letting suffering deepens his understanding and sensibility, in growing through his pains. Walter Kaufmann On Tue, Jun 1,

Re: Finally something I like

2010-03-25 Thread Sam
I disagree. If you bought a house you couldn't afford it was your error. If you could afford it and lost your job a little grace period would help you out until you find work. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > > Finally something for regular people. I would also like to se

Re: Finally something I like

2010-03-25 Thread Maureen
Yeah..like before I lost my home. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > That is cool!  They should have done that a long time ago ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them k

Re: Finally something I like

2010-03-25 Thread Robert Munn
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > That is cool!  They should have done that a long time ago. > Finally something for regular people. I would also like to see mortgages written 2004-2008 re-written at market value ~~~

RE: Finally something I like

2010-03-25 Thread Eric Roberts
That is cool! They should have done that a long time ago. Eric -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:04 PM To: cf-community Subject: Finally something I like Obama administration to order lenders to cut mortgage payments for jobles

RE: Finally got the bridge up

2010-03-17 Thread Scott Raley
I had an experience like this with the exact same equipment.. hooking up wireless to all the barns from the farmhouse so all the horse trainers could have internet and check schedule. Line of site is such a PITA. Now I'm getting ready to do another one for a convent that just got FIOS and wants w

Re: Finally got the bridge up

2010-03-17 Thread Casey Dougall
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Erika L. Rich wrote: > > Blog post? :) > > yeah where are the pictures. Vivec, I actually believe his solution involves tin cans spaced every 5 feet across that open field. ~| Want to reach th

Re: Finally got the bridge up

2010-03-17 Thread Vivec
... why didn't you just use two cans and a string? Problem solved in minutes. *nod* *nod* On 15 March 2010 12:45, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > > It took me 8 hours to get everything talking to each other, but it's finally > working.  Starts out from the wireless router in house A that goes to a

Re: Finally got the bridge up

2010-03-17 Thread Erika L. Rich
Blog post? :) On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > It took me 8 hours to get everything talking to each other, but it's > finally working. Starts out from the wireless router in house A that goes > to a Dell 2300 Mobilerouter running dd-w

Re: Finally, an actual court case involving ACORN and voter problems

2009-12-04 Thread Jerry Johnson
Yes, I think we will have plenty of opportunity to criticize ACORN. There are plenty of suits pending. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > Fraud is fraud. The Republican Party in Ohio was a cesspool for several > years. > > As for ACORN, don't worry, we'll have ample time

Re: Finally, an actual court case involving ACORN and voter problems

2009-12-04 Thread Robert Munn
Fraud is fraud. The Republican Party in Ohio was a cesspool for several years. As for ACORN, don't worry, we'll have ample time to pile on them. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Maureen wrote: > > He's not calling it suppression. A court made this ruling. When a > court rules that ACORN is

Re: Finally, an actual court case involving ACORN and voter problems

2009-12-04 Thread Maureen
He's not calling it suppression. A court made this ruling. When a court rules that ACORN is guilty, we'll discuss that. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Sam wrote: > > All the voter fraud ACORN did you ignore but you call not handing out > forms voter suppression? Too funny. ~

Re: Finally, an actual court case involving ACORN and voter problems

2009-12-04 Thread Sam
Keep it classy JJ On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > * puts on FoxNews Filter glasses(tm) * > > So an activist judge is forcing the God-fearing Secretary of State to > register and allow illegal baby murderers to vote? > > * looks outside * > > Oh My God! Call the police. S

Re: Finally, an actual court case involving ACORN and voter problems

2009-12-04 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
bwa hah hah hah! On Dec 4, 2009, at 2:00 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > * puts on FoxNews Filter glasses(tm) * > > So an activist judge is forcing the God-fearing Secretary of State to > register and allow illegal baby murderers to vote? > > * looks outside * > > Oh My God! Call the police. S

Re: Finally, an actual court case involving ACORN and voter problems

2009-12-04 Thread Jerry Johnson
* puts on FoxNews Filter glasses(tm) * So an activist judge is forcing the God-fearing Secretary of State to register and allow illegal baby murderers to vote? * looks outside * Oh My God! Call the police. Someone stole my country. Its GONE!. * quickly removes glasses * Phew! There it is. O

Re: Finally, an actual court case involving ACORN and voter problems

2009-12-04 Thread Sam
All the voter fraud ACORN did you ignore but you call not handing out forms voter suppression? Too funny. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Of course, ACORN is the Plaintiff in this case and they won a > judgement against the Republican Secretary of State in Ohio who did

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-11-07 Thread denstar
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 7:20 AM, G Money wrote: ... > To me, den, your posts are both random, and unpredictable :) > > But I love 'em! Thanks! Sadly, they're only both random and unpredictable because of your frame of reference. :) -- To want fame is to prefer dying scorned than forgotten. Emi

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-11-07 Thread denstar
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey wrote: >> >>>I mean no offence by this, but I'm curious. How does evolving from a >>>primordial ooze seem improbable yet a God creating it all, even including a >>>plan for evolution, seem s

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-28 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>Base your >faith in love and tolerance and make sure you've got a healthy respect >for the limits of knowledge and you're doing alright in my book, >regardless of your faith. > Yup, that's exactly what I try do...and also the reason I am far more liberal than what most people think of with reli

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-28 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
> What in the world has led you to believe that evolution of complex > species is a one in a trillion event? Somebody has been lying to you > or you've been misreading. Uh, if you read my message accurately, you would see I was saying that was a made up number. > If you take > the fundamental

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-28 Thread Judah McAuley
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Mary Jo Sminkey wrote: > >>I'd like to "third" it...and I would posit that there are a lot more people >>of faith out there like Mary Jo, than the loud mouthed religious zealots >>like Phelps and his ilk. > > > Wow, thanks for the nice compliments guys. ;-) You c

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-28 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>I'd like to "third" it...and I would posit that there are a lot more people >of faith out there like Mary Jo, than the loud mouthed religious zealots >like Phelps and his ilk. Wow, thanks for the nice compliments guys. ;-) >For every loud mouthed religious zealot with an agenda, there are th

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-28 Thread G Money
I'd like to "third" it...and I would posit that there are a lot more people of faith out there like Mary Jo, than the loud mouthed religious zealots like Phelps and his ilk. For every loud mouthed religious zealot with an agenda, there are thousands, probably tens of thousands, of believers quiet

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-28 Thread G Money
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:06 AM, denstar wrote: > > Consider two observers of a sequence of bits, when only one of whom > has the cryptographic key needed to turn the sequence of bits into a > readable message. For that observer the message is not random, but it > is unpredictable for the other

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-28 Thread Michael Grant
I second that. Well said Scott. On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Mary Jo, > > I have to say, you seem more spiritual than most people I would call > 'Bible Thumpers', yet the way you have portrayed yourself and > eloquently stated your beliefs has been a breath of fresh

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-28 Thread Scott Stroz
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > What are the odds that a superhuman being created life and made it the > way it is? 50/50 - either a superhuman being created life and made it the way it is, or he/she didn't. :D -- Scott Stroz --- The DOM is retarded. ht

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-27 Thread denstar
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > It would seem to me that humans have a need to make sense out of > something that appears senseless, and have to impose a pattern on > randomness. That's why there are legends of giants wrestling and Consider two observers of a sequence o

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-27 Thread Judah McAuley
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey wrote: > >>I mean no offence by this, but I'm curious. How does evolving from a >>primordial ooze seem improbable yet a God creating it all, even including a >>plan for evolution, seem somehow more probable? > I do think most people, whether they a

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-27 Thread Scott Stroz
Mary Jo, I have to say, you seem more spiritual than most people I would call 'Bible Thumpers', yet the way you have portrayed yourself and eloquently stated your beliefs has been a breath of fresh air. We may not see eye to eye on whether or not God exists, but I sure do like the way you presen

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-27 Thread Scott Stroz
That works, and quite fitting too. On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > how about stranger than most? > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey >> wrote: >> >>> Probably not. I can't even seem to have a

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-27 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>I mean no offence by this, but I'm curious. How does evolving from a >primordial ooze seem improbable yet a God creating it all, even including a >plan for evolution, seem somehow more probable? Well, I don't personally consider either more or less improbable than the other, given no other fact

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-27 Thread Larry C. Lyons
One was of looking at it is what is the bigger miracle? Making one very slight change to the boundary conditions at the very beginning of the big bang and that eventually results in a Christ, or a big flash bang hollywood type miracle. Being able to see all the consequences of that little change

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-27 Thread Larry C. Lyons
It would seem to me that humans have a need to make sense out of something that appears senseless, and have to impose a pattern on randomness. That's why there are legends of giants wrestling and causing earthquakes, or some old dude in the clouds throwing lightening bolts. Over time it get elabor

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-27 Thread Larry C. Lyons
how about stranger than most? On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey > wrote: > >> Probably not. I can't even seem to have a civil discussion with family >> members on politics let alone strangers. It seems to be even more dogm

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-27 Thread Gruss Gott
> casey wrote: > What started this thing we call the Big Bang, all that stuff is way more > intriguing than how humans came into existence. God is a mute point UNLESS > you believe he started that process which in turn created our universe, It doesn't seem to me like God and the Big Bang are mutu

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-27 Thread Michael Grant
> > Even though I accept evolution as a given, the development of what we see > today from basically elemental constructs still boggles the mind at its > improbability. I mean no offence by this, but I'm curious. How does evolving from a primordial ooze seem improbable yet a God creating it all,

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-27 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>What started this thing we call the Big Bang, all that stuff is way more >intriguing than how humans came into existence. Really?? I find both intruiging but I guess since the bulk of my training is in the biological/medical field I still find the workings of complex organisms endlessly fasci

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-27 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
> (1.) Because people who aren't *religious* would like to influence > those who are, or That's certainly the case very often. > > (2.) Because people who *are* religious need a bump to their faith. Well, I'm not sure I'd entirely agree with that. This would imply that faith comes fist, but

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-27 Thread Casey Dougall
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > You have to careful with the use of "theory" as you seem to be mixing > the scientific use and the colloquial use. > > "theory" as in "theory of relativity" means a framework that is > predictive and contains no exceptions. Exceptions then

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-27 Thread denstar
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey wrote: > > >Thanks for being up for the discussion. Cool how everyone's been decent > and > >whatnot. Think there's hope for politics? ;-) > > Probably not. I can't even seem to have a civil discussion with family > members on politics let alon

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-27 Thread denstar
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: ... > The same is true with evolution: we may discover more precise > frameworks, but evolution will remain a fact. Regardless how long they've been at it, all the blind men in the room describing the elephant are [or may be] stating facts, right

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-27 Thread Scott Stroz
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey wrote: > Probably not. I can't even seem to have a civil discussion with family > members on politics let alone strangers. It seems to be even more dogmatic > these days than religion is! I am offended that you consider me a 'stranger'. -- S

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-27 Thread Michael Grant
> > Sounds like something that would be in the Far Side. Boy, I miss that comic > strip! > It is. If memory serves me correct the caption is something along the lines of "just to make it interesting." I miss that comic SOOO much. Could you imagine blazing or shrooming with Gary Larson? ~~~

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-27 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>Thanks for being up for the discussion. Cool how everyone's been decent and >whatnot. Think there's hope for politics? ;-) Probably not. I can't even seem to have a civil discussion with family members on politics let alone strangers. It seems to be even more dogmatic these days than religi

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-27 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I'd even go for some independent historical evidence written about the time of the miracle. While many have suggested that Josephus Flavius's chronicles with a single line mentioning Yesu Bar Joseph, content analysis of that passage is suspected of being a later addition. Ezekiel predicted that E

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-26 Thread denstar
Dude, I don't know what's wrong with you, that was beautiful. Amen, brother Gruss Gott, amen. On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I am starting to wish that you, at more than random times, did not exist. > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: >> >>> Scott wrot

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-26 Thread denstar
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey wrote: > > > I know some Christians who feel the only way to Heaven is through > > Christ. That's kind of exclusionary. > > Let's see if I can answer this without getting into too much trouble. ;-) > Thanks for being up for the discussion. Cool

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-26 Thread Gruss Gott
> MoJo wrote: > >> A predictive framework that's stood for 100 years is as close to fact >> as anything can be.  In other words, evolution is a fact.  Period. > >The global warming example you mentioned is more the kind of thing I was >thinking about... Ha! Absolutely - we certainly don't have

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-26 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>I am not belittling anyone's beliefs here, just using a questioning >method here to refine and clarify what they are. Personally, I didn't feel belittled. Just because some disagrees with me, or makes light of my beliefs is not reason to feel belittled. >Someone says that >such is true, I w

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-26 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
> A predictive framework that's stood for 100 years is as close to fact > as anything can be. In other words, evolution is a fact. Period. I guess that wasn't the best example for the point I was trying to make. You are right that evolution is so well proven at this point that is passes for f

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-26 Thread Gruss Gott
> Scott wrote: > > I am starting to wish that you, at more than random times, did not exist. > Ha! Well ... I'm sorry to make things difficult for you. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let the

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-26 Thread Scott Stroz
I am starting to wish that you, at more than random times, did not exist. On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > >> Scott wrote: >> I don't believe in God, a god(s), a 'force' or any other >> name/definition you may want to give.  I think we live...we die. >> Pretty simple actually

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-26 Thread Gruss Gott
> Scott wrote: > I don't believe in God, a god(s), a 'force' or any other > name/definition you may want to give.  I think we live...we die. > Pretty simple actually. > Simple only in ignorance of facts because factually you - random parts at random times - don't exist. In fact if you zoom in on

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-26 Thread Scott Stroz
I'd like to think that even you could have figured this one out Gruss. I don't believe in God, a god(s), a 'force' or any other name/definition you may want to give. I think we live...we die. Pretty simple actually. On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > >> Scott wrote: >> I fall

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-26 Thread Gruss Gott
> gg wrote: > I see great alignments between Buddhist, Christian, and quantum > mechanical concepts Here ya go, from Discover Magazine, 2007: In 1998 a strange story emerged from a village in the remote Kham region of eastern Ti

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-26 Thread Gruss Gott
> Scott wrote: > I fall in the super minority of those who do not believe in God or a > god or gods.  I am more agnostic than atheist. > I think that's kind of an odd statement because it sort of requires an anthropomorphism of "God". For example, I believe in a creative and/or connective "force

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-26 Thread Gruss Gott
> MoJo wrote: > As I commented elsewhere, being atheist does not preclude people from making > leaps of illogic and unscientific conclusion. For instance, skeptics will > claim vehemently that the Shroud was "proven" to be of medieval origin. > Whether it factually is or not, this is simply not

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-26 Thread Scott Stroz
I was merely trying to point out that regardless of your religious beliefs, you are going to be in the minority (but for the life of me, I cannot remember why I was trying to point it out). I fall in the super minority of those who do not believe in God or a god or gods. I am more agnostic than

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-26 Thread Larry C. Lyons
A person makes a statement that is supposedly true and in reality. That needs to be backed up by data. I am not belittling anyone's beliefs here, just using a questioning method here to refine and clarify what they are. Someone says that such is true, I want to see the evidence. No real evidence

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-26 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
> You have to careful with the use of "theory" as you seem to be mixing > the scientific use and the colloquial use. If it seemed like that, it wasn't my intent. > "theory" as in "theory of relativity" means a framework that is > predictive and contains no exceptions. Exceptions then lay the

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-26 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>You do not consider 33%-66% overwhelming (if it were an election, >those percentages would be more than a 'landslide')? That means that >over 4 billion people are NOT Christian. That is overwhelming - by any >measurement. If it was an election to pick a world view, Christianity would win by a l

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-26 Thread Gruss Gott
> MoJo wrote: > Let's take evolution for instance. Certainly most people take it as a fact at > this point, but it's called a "theory" of evolution because it is only > presumed true by the preponderance of evidence. You have to careful with the use of "theory" as you seem to be mixing the scie

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-26 Thread G Money
You rail like crazy when believers try to engage in the realm of science with their theology. So why are engaging in the realm of theology with your science? What are you trying to prove? Belittling someone's cherished beliefs doesn't do them, or you, or anyone...much good. Let it go. On Sat, O

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-25 Thread Scott Stroz
You do not consider 33%-66% overwhelming (if it were an election, those percentages would be more than a 'landslide')? That means that over 4 billion people are NOT Christian. That is overwhelming - by any measurement. On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey wrote: > >>Think of it anot

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-25 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>Think of it another way - No matter which religion you practice, you >are in the overwhelming minority when compared to the overall >population of the world. Hhm, not sure what you consider "overwhelming" in terms of a minority, but Christians comprise about 1/3 of the world population (with th

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-25 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>That's what I'm so interested in is how so many christians, jews, >hindus and muslims can have so much faith that their religion is the >one. It's a good question...I was raised Catholic but felt like I was just told what to believe and never really had any good *reason* to believe it. I

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-25 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
> I know some Christians who feel the only way to Heaven is through > Christ. That's kind of exclusionary. Let's see if I can answer this without getting into too much trouble. ;-) The *majority* of Christians say this, if not all. It's part of the basis of Christianity, because this is part

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-25 Thread Dana
zactly. > *hrm... which tense to use? > > LOL > ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-communit

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-25 Thread Scott Stroz
Think of it another way - No matter which religion you practice, you are in the overwhelming minority when compared to the overall population of the world. On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > > That's what I'm so interested in is how so many christians, jews, > hindus and

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-25 Thread denstar
Douglas Adams and God have Good Communication. That dude's* a prophet. *hrm... which tense to use? LOL -- Negation is the mind's first freedom, yet a negative habit is fruitful only so long as we exert ourselves to overcome it, adapt it to our needs; once acquired it can imprison us. Emile M.

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-25 Thread denstar
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > > That's what I'm so interested in is how so many christians, jews, > hindus and muslims can have so much faith that their religion is the > one.  What qualities do these have that have made them stick.  Why are > there not any believers

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-25 Thread Dana
http://www.lspace.org/books/reviews/small-gods.html also see Thor in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Dark_Tea-Time_of_the_Soul On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > That's what I'm so interested in is how so many christians, jews,

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-25 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
That's what I'm so interested in is how so many christians, jews, hindus and muslims can have so much faith that their religion is the one. What qualities do these have that have made them stick. Why are there not any believers in Odin or Zeus or the pantheon of other dead religions. Ho

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-25 Thread denstar
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Dana wrote: > >> >> Not in any church I've belonged to as an adult. Perhaps you are thinking >> about the Catholics? >> > > I fervently desire to stay out of this conversation, which looks like a time > suck and is kinda against my beliefs (God is not something you

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-25 Thread Dana
> > Not in any church I've belonged to as an adult. Perhaps you are thinking > about the Catholics? > I fervently desire to stay out of this conversation, which looks like a time suck and is kinda against my beliefs (God is not something you reason with or about). However, a quick note for the re

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-25 Thread denstar
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey wrote: ... >>There are many things that we can't prove with >>science, but that people have a belief in - maybe a well placed one. >>Global Warming is one such example. > > Exactly. And just as people look at what we can see and observe and have >

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-25 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>Doesn't that statement conflict with the following one then? My assumption in that statement is that your pink unicorn is the same as the one people use solely as a parody of the existence of an invisible God. In such an example, the unicorn is designed to not any effect or interaction with ou

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-25 Thread Gruss Gott
> MoJo wrote: > >> How do you know God isn't an invisible pink unicorn > then? > > Maybe he is. Doesn't that statement conflict with the following one then? "So to say that believing in God is no different than believing in pink unicorns is simply a bad argument, because it is only addressing *o

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-24 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
> How do you know God isn't an invisible pink unicorn then? Maybe he is. He certainly isn't likely to be an old man with a long white beard or however else we decide to portray him as (although most Christians follow the stricture that God is not to be portrayed in images). What the exact app

Re: Atheist Ads (was Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity)

2009-10-24 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>None taken, I agree, there is no absolute proof. However I do find >good indications that there are Invisible Pink Unicorn, whereas I find >no evidence that there is a God. Therefore I have no qualms deciding >to accept one and toss out the other. Well, I'm not going to get into an extensive arg

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