Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-27 Thread Vivec
It's a wittle disappointing that there are no scary mutations running around and no superheroes have been created yet though. *sigh* 2008/6/27 Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > A few years ago there was this one video of a person going through the > exclusion zone around the reactor and it

Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-27 Thread G Money
You know what's so funny about all this global warming business? While the politicians hem and haw, and make outrageous claims about the world ending in 50 years, or the global economy going bankrupt making environmental concessionswhile all that pointless noise is going on...WE THE PEOPLE

RE: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-27 Thread Jeff Garza
7:38 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act What puzzles me is why anyone would object to the reduction of greenhouse glasses whether global warming exists or not.I think carbon offsets, reduction of pollution, conversation of petr

Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-27 Thread Maureen
What puzzles me is why anyone would object to the reduction of greenhouse glasses whether global warming exists or not.I think carbon offsets, reduction of pollution, conversation of petroleum, alternative energy, etc. can only be good for us in the long term. Who benefits from the destruction

Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-27 Thread Gruss Gott
> Gel wrote: > Okies. > Sooo...this has all happen before. Its normal and seasonal etc. and > not an aberration acerbated by the actions of Man. > When in Earth's history has the ice at the north pole melted? > That's the asinine nature of both sides of this debate: each side is saying there's 10

Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-27 Thread Larry Lyons
>On a tangent, if you want a good detective novel, read "Wolves Eat Dogs" by >Martin Cruz Smith. It is an Arkady Renko novel. Part of it takes place in >the area around Chernobyl 14 years after the disaster. Lots of interesting >factoids about life in the area can be picked up. A few years ago

Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-27 Thread Vivec
Okies. Sooo...this has all happen before. Its normal and seasonal etc. and not an aberration acerbated by the actions of Man. When in Earth's history has the ice at the north pole melted? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the

Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-26 Thread Jerry Barnes
On a tangent, if you want a good detective novel, read "Wolves Eat Dogs" by Martin Cruz Smith. It is an Arkady Renko novel. Part of it takes place in the area around Chernobyl 14 years after the disaster. Lots of interesting factoids about life in the area can be picked up. ~~~

Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-26 Thread Dana
that's true -- we have been hearing a lot about coal because of Desert Rock... On 6/25/08, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would be curious to know a measurement in terms of detriment to > human health across all history, of those two events compared to all > the emmisions of al

Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-26 Thread Cameron Childress
Yup. Not to mention all the Mercury and Sulphur Dioxide the plants spew out. Even if you toss out the global warming argument entirely, coal is many many *MANY* times worse than Nuke. -Cameron On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > forget about coal plants. co

Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-25 Thread denstar
Chernobyl is a pretty interesting story. Everyone here has seen this stuff, right? http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chapter11.html Wicked cool, and freakishly freakish. Talk about wow, right? -- There's no present. There's only the immediate future and the recent past. George Carlin ~~

Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-25 Thread Robert Munn
forget about coal plants. coal mines alone kick butt over everything else for death through breathing hazardous materials. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:50 AM, Cameron wrote: > I would be curious to know a measurement in terms of detriment to > human health across all history, of those two events c

Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-25 Thread William Bowen
> I suspect Coal's death toll kicks Nuke's ass all over the place. +1 -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." - Carrie Fisher ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the m

Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-25 Thread Cameron Childress
I would be curious to know a measurement in terms of detriment to human health across all history, of those two events compared to all the emmisions of all the coal plants in the world. I suspect Coal's death toll kicks Nuke's ass all over the place. -Cameron On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Viv

Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-25 Thread Robert Munn
Oh, and details of the RBMK reactor design, including retrofitted safety measures on the plants still in operation (yes, still in operation): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RBMK On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chernobyl was built using a Soviet RBMK reac

Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-25 Thread Robert Munn
Chernobyl was built using a Soviet RBMK reactor design. Because they have no containment vessel around the reactor core, RBMK reactors are fundamentally unsafe from a Western safety standards point of view. When there is a leak (or, as in the case of Chernobyl, a fire), there is nothing to prevent

RE: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-25 Thread Billy Cox
I understand that France gets a notable percentage of its energy from nuclear power. -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:35 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act And

Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-25 Thread Jerry Barnes
"The reactor was shoddily designed, horribly maintained and completely mismanaged. The accident itself was caused by so-called "safety tests" run by people more worried about getting their government managers angry than actual safety. It was design failure under management failure under operator

Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-25 Thread Casey Dougall
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Michael Dinowitz < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And how many years ago was that? How much change since then? And they were > far from being the same. > I wonder how many other countries have nuclear reactors providing > electricity? > I'm all for nuclear power, but

Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-25 Thread Jerry Johnson
Mine is for the very reasons you state. Humans are operating them. And humans, unless _really_ motivated, are selfish, lazy, and not worried about the "public good". Add greed and inherent dishonesty to the mix, and it gets scary. I am not opposed to nuclear power. The Navy does bang-up job ope

RE: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-25 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: William Bowen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 9:03 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act > > > And how many years ago was that? > > Many. >

Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-25 Thread Jerry Johnson
There was another big one in the late 80s. Never made the news. All parties hushed it up. (US Gov, state gov and business). I only know about it because I was employed to hand-enter documents seized by the gov (nrc) from the bosses and secretaries offices. Apparently the plant lied to the gov abo

Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-25 Thread William Bowen
> And how many years ago was that? Many. > How much change since then? Leaps and bounds. Chernobyl, for instance, was an outdated reactor design that was operating way past its prime. the reason the accident happened the way it did was because of the way the control rods were inserted into the r

Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-25 Thread G Money
- > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 5:35 PM > Subject: Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act > > > > And how many years ago was that? How much change since

Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-25 Thread Loathe
And we learned from them. When was the last major nuclear plant mishap? Those are the only two I know of. Vivec wrote: > See Chernobyl. > And 3 Mile Island. > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dr

RE: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-24 Thread Scott Stewart
: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:55 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act FUD On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Vivec wrote: > See Chernobyl. > And 3 Mile Island. >

Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-24 Thread Robert Munn
FUD On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Vivec wrote: > See Chernobyl. > And 3 Mile Island. > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk

Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-24 Thread Todd
PM Subject: Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act > And how many years ago was that? How much change since then? And they were > far from being the same. > I wonder how many other countries have nuclear reactors providing > electricity? > > On Tue, Jun 24,

Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-24 Thread Michael Dinowitz
And how many years ago was that? How much change since then? And they were far from being the same. I wonder how many other countries have nuclear reactors providing electricity? On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > See Chernobyl. > And 3 Mile Island. > >

Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-24 Thread Vivec
See Chernobyl. And 3 Mile Island. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com

Re: Global Warming Prophet says this is our last chance to act

2008-06-24 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Does he advocate moving to nuclear? Seems that the modern nuclear power has a lot less environmental impact but is shunned by the clergy of global warming. On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/06/24/globalwarming.ap/index.htm