The 13th took care of that, and the 14th.
So yeah..
"Men" was not an all inclusive term at that time. Hence the 3/5 compromise
and the need for the Equal rights amendment.
On Jul 8, 2013, at 2:23 PM, LRS Scout wrote:
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> ALL MEN?
>
> Doesn't say citizen.
>
> That in and of itself caused
"Men" was not an all inclusive term at that time. Hence the 3/5 compromise and
the need for the Equal rights amendment.
On Jul 8, 2013, at 2:23 PM, LRS Scout wrote:
>
> ALL MEN?
>
> Doesn't say citizen.
>
> That in and of itself caused me to change a lot of long held beliefs, Judah
> I th
ALL MEN?
Doesn't say citizen.
That in and of itself caused me to change a lot of long held beliefs, Judah
I think made the argument. Couple years ago.
On Jul 8, 2013 3:20 PM, "zaphod" wrote:
>
> how can it if the baby hasn't been born yet. According to the
> constitution, it's not a citizen y
how can it if the baby hasn't been born yet. According to the constitution,
it's not a citizen yet, until born.
On Jul 8, 2013, at 2:11 PM, LRS Scout wrote:
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> I'd say that applies more to the baby personally.
>
> Provided the sex was consentual. A choice was made that carries a risk.
>
Mind? I'd appreciate it if everyone did it with their kids.
I also spent a car ride the other day explaining the Lincoln-Douglas
debates to my daughter. Gotta educate the next generation.
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 12:11 PM, LRS Scout wrote:
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> That's sweet
>
> And if you don't mind something I'
That's sweet
And if you don't mind something I'm gonna copy with my boys.
On Jul 8, 2013 3:07 PM, "Judah McAuley" wrote:
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> I read the Declaration of Independence aloud to my daughter every 4th of
> July. It's a thing.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:59 AM, LRS Scout wrote:
>
> >
> > I still
I'd say that applies more to the baby personally.
Provided the sex was consentual. A choice was made that carries a risk.
On Jul 8, 2013 3:00 PM, "Zaphod" wrote:
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> true, I should have used the phrasing from the 14th Amendment.
>
> nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or
I read the Declaration of Independence aloud to my daughter every 4th of
July. It's a thing.
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:59 AM, LRS Scout wrote:
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> I still like to think it embodies the spirit in which these debates should
> occur.
>
> I wish more people read the rest of it.
> On Jul 8, 2013 2:
those rights are afford to citizens *born* here.
On Jul 8, 2013, at 1:58 PM, LRS Scout wrote:
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> For the baby?
>
> At what point?
>
> How many weeks?
> On Jul 8, 2013 2:49 PM, "Zaphod" wrote:
>
>>
>> Right to life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness is also very broad.
>> Abortion wou
I still like to think it embodies the spirit in which these debates should
occur.
I wish more people read the rest of it.
On Jul 8, 2013 2:53 PM, "Maureen" wrote:
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> The phrase "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
> created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator wi
true, I should have used the phrasing from the 14th Amendment.
nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without
due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.
On Jul 8, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Maureen wrote:
>
>
For the baby?
At what point?
How many weeks?
On Jul 8, 2013 2:49 PM, "Zaphod" wrote:
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> Right to life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness is also very broad.
> Abortion would fall under that.
>
>
> On Jul 8, 2013, at 1:35 PM, LRS Scout wrote:
>
> >
> > Arms is a pretty broad word.
> >
> > T
The phrase "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain
unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit
of Happiness." is from the Declaration of Independence and has no
force in law.
On Mon, J
Right to life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness is also very broad. Abortion
would fall under that.
On Jul 8, 2013, at 1:35 PM, LRS Scout wrote:
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> Arms is a pretty broad word.
>
> Tell me your argument.
>
> I'm neither 100% pro life nor 100% pro choice.
> On Jul 8, 2013 2:25 PM, "Zaph
Arms is a pretty broad word.
Tell me your argument.
I'm neither 100% pro life nor 100% pro choice.
On Jul 8, 2013 2:25 PM, "Zaphod" wrote:
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> Neither are semi automatic weapons since they didn't exist at the time of
> the constitution's drafting, but you'll argue that it's included. I'll
> a
Neither are semi automatic weapons since they didn't exist at the time of the
constitution's drafting, but you'll argue that it's included. I'll argue that
abortion falls under the 14th amendment.
On Jul 8, 2013, at 10:50 AM, LRS Scout wrote:
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> Abortion isn't an enumerated right.
> On
More does it hasn't the power expressly to limit it.
Everything not granted is prohibited, even under most state constitutions.
On Jul 8, 2013 12:51 PM, "Scott Stroz" wrote:
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> I drive mostly - but I follow the rules.
>
> For those who do not want to follow the rules, there are many other form
I drive mostly - but I follow the rules.
For those who do not want to follow the rules, there are many other forms
of transportation - bicycle, on foot, public transportation, any
combination of the aforementioned.
You have a right to freely move within a state, to another state and back
again.
How do you get around?
On Jul 8, 2013 12:19 PM, "Scott Stroz" wrote:
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> 'freedom of movement' does not translate to 'right to drive' :D
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:54 AM, LRS Scout wrote:
>
> >
> > I say it's easier to make the leap from freedom of movement to driving
> than
> > it is from
'freedom of movement' does not translate to 'right to drive' :D
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:54 AM, LRS Scout wrote:
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> I say it's easier to make the leap from freedom of movement to driving than
> it is from privacy to late term abortion.
>
> Pfttt!
>
> Haha
> On Jul 8, 2013 11:52 AM, "Scott St
Not all rights are enumerated...some are determined by the SCOTUS and other
courts.
-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 10:50 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Republicans and abortion bills
Abortion isn't an enumerated righ
I say it's easier to make the leap from freedom of movement to driving than
it is from privacy to late term abortion.
Pfttt!
Haha
On Jul 8, 2013 11:52 AM, "Scott Stroz" wrote:
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> Neither is driving :D.
>
> Yea, I thread jumped
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:50 AM, LRS Scout wrote:
>
> >
> >
Neither is driving :D.
Yea, I thread jumped
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:50 AM, LRS Scout wrote:
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> Abortion isn't an enumerated right.
> On Jul 8, 2013 11:14 AM, "Zaphod" wrote:
>
> >
> > Dana posted this on her Facebook page and I thought it was pretty good
> >
> > "What if a bill closed all
That was good!
On Jul 8, 2013 11:25 AM, "Sam" wrote:
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> Doesn't matter, the government bought all the bullets
>
> .
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Zaphod
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Dana posted this on her Facebook page and I thought it was pretty good
> >
> > "What if a bill closed all but 5 g
Abortion isn't an enumerated right.
On Jul 8, 2013 11:14 AM, "Zaphod" wrote:
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> Dana posted this on her Facebook page and I thought it was pretty good
>
> "What if a bill closed all but 5 gun stores in Texas? Not eliminating the
> 2nd Amendment, just making it safer for everyone. That's cool
Doesn't matter, the government bought all the bullets
.
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Zaphod wrote:
>
> Dana posted this on her Facebook page and I thought it was pretty good
>
> "What if a bill closed all but 5 gun stores in Texas? Not eliminating the
> 2nd Amendment, just making it safe
Dana posted this on her Facebook page and I thought it was pretty good
"What if a bill closed all but 5 gun stores in Texas? Not eliminating the 2nd
Amendment, just making it safer for everyone. That's cool right?"
On Jul 3, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox
wrote:
> If passed, only 5
5/-Senate-Republicans-kill-th
> e-Democrats-infrastructure-jobs-bill
>
>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57517160/senate-gop-blocks-veterans-jobs
> -bill/
>
> and the list goes on...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com]
> Sen
-jobs-bill
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57517160/senate-gop-blocks-veterans-jobs
-bill/
and the list goes on...
-Original Message-
From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 12:09 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Republicans and abortion bills
Jobs bill
Jobs bill? What the hell will that do? How many did Dems present?
At his press briefing today, House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) highlighted
the House GOP plan for economic growth and job creation, contrasting it
with President Obama's latest pivot back to jobs with his event in Austin,
Texas to
What if you decide you wanted a boy but it's a girl?
.
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> If the neonate cannot survive a few hours beyond birth then yes. If it has
> no brain (ancephaly) or similar conditions, then yes. Life alone is not
> enough, quality of life is as
how many jobs bills have the GOP house sent to the senate Sam? at the most
1 or 2.
How many attempts have they made to repeal the ACA - over 40 by last count.
It would seem that the only jobs they're creating are for the government
printers and the companies that make paper.
On Wed, Jul 3, 201
If the neonate cannot survive a few hours beyond birth then yes. If it has
no brain (ancephaly) or similar conditions, then yes. Life alone is not
enough, quality of life is as if not more important.
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Sam wrote:
>
> I'm guessing you support aborting a child afte
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Sam wrote:
>
> The issue is the doctor performing the procedure has to be registered at a
> nearby hospital in case something goes wrong. A bit sneaky since most early
> stage abortions are simple procedures and not considered a danger. I wonder
> how many bad pr
1 in 100 will have a complication. Safer than bringing a baby to term.
.
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Sam wrote:
> The issue is the doctor performing the procedure has to be registered at a
> nearby hospital in case something goes wrong. A bit sneaky since most early
> stage abortions are
The issue is the doctor performing the procedure has to be registered at a
nearby hospital in case something goes wrong. A bit sneaky since most early
stage abortions are simple procedures and not considered a danger. I wonder
how many bad procedures took place.
.
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:42 P
Why should "clinic" vs. "hospital" matter If the place is up to
code..go for it.
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Sam wrote:
>
> Looks like all abortions will be limited to hospitals and 20 week plus will
> be banned altogether.
>
> Might be an overreach.
>
> But what's that have to do
But Obama's into his second term and nothing by any dem was done to add
jobs, nada. The Texas GOP has added jobs but that's not enough. They should
only do one thing and that's whatever you decide they should do. It's just
a silly argument is what I'm saying.
But let's get back to abortions...
.
He said whole clinics :)
Planned parenthood should be concerned since abortion is only a tiny
percentage of their services.
.
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If passed, only 5 of the 42 clinics statewide would be able to perform any
Considering the unemployment rate went up last month, you could argue its still
pertinent. It wouldn't hurt to get some higher paying jobs either.
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 3, 2013, at 10:25 AM, Sam wrote:
>
> Looks like all abortions will be limited to hospitals and 20 week plus will
> be
I'm guessing you support aborting a child after birth too. I'm not sure
what you're arguing for but you seem angry.
.
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> So you have no problem with horribly deformed or disabled fetuses being
> carried to term, when at best they would
If passed, only 5 of the 42 clinics statewide would be able to perform any
abortion services. 5 whole clinics in the entire state of Texas.
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 3, 2013, at 10:17 AM, Sam wrote:
>
> I'm going to guess that if you're 5 months pregnant and need an abortion a
> hospital wou
Looks like all abortions will be limited to hospitals and 20 week plus will
be banned altogether.
Might be an overreach.
But what's that have to do with jobs? Texas has a lower unemployment rate
already.
.
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote
So you have no problem with horribly deformed or disabled fetuses being
carried to term, when at best they would survive for a few hours?
That is incredibly cruel.
As for the latest excuse - fetal pain at 20 weeks, simply not possible.
The the fetus may have a brain but at 20 weeks there is no p
I'm going to guess that if you're 5 months pregnant and need an abortion a
hospital would be more appropriate. But I haven't read the bill.
.
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes. But these bills aren't being proposed as limiting abo
Yes. But these bills aren't being proposed as limiting abortions after 20
weeks. They're being presented as protecting the health of women. And, as the
Texas one is written, it would leave only 5 clinics in this state available to
perform the procedure.
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 3, 2013, at
Define "late term"???
I've been seeing 20 weeks thrown around in...where was that, texas?
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Sam wrote:
>
> So you support late-term abortion for any reason?
>
> .
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
> zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
So you support late-term abortion for any reason?
.
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've got to say, I'm quite amazed at how well these state republican
> legislatures are organized in their efforts to curb abortion rights. I find
>
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