Re: What was that about no one trying to stop women from using birth control?

2012-03-14 Thread Sam
He corrected himself. Employers cannot ask woman for medical records at will. . On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Dana wrote: > > This is a good explanation, thanks for keeping me from needing to dig into > this. I trust you for the particulars. I'd like to add as a female that > there is no way

Re: What was that about no one trying to stop women from using birth control?

2012-03-14 Thread Dana
another graceful acknowledgement. And by the way, I agree with you about the tactic; one of the things I work on a little when I get time is transparency in government and yeah, this very much isn't On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:22 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote: > > Woah, that's not an amendment

Re: What was that about no one trying to stop women from using birth control?

2012-03-14 Thread Dana
012 7:54 AM > > To: cf-community > > Subject: Re: What was that about no one trying to stop women from using > > birth control? > > > > > > Because AZ is an at-will work state, you can be fired at any time for any > > reason. > > > > Wearing bl

Re: What was that about no one trying to stop women from using birth control?

2012-03-14 Thread Dana
This is a good explanation, thanks for keeping me from needing to dig into this. I trust you for the particulars. I'd like to add as a female that there is no way in hell I'd go through this now, even as an older woman who's pretty much comfortable in my own skin, and when I was 20 I literally wou

RE: What was that about no one trying to stop women from using birth control?

2012-03-14 Thread Eric Roberts
Yes it does allow that Sam... -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:05 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: What was that about no one trying to stop women from using birth control? So we agree, the law doesn't allow the employ

Re: What was that about no one trying to stop women from using birth control?

2012-03-14 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Its a wonderful tactic (forgot the sarcasm tags) that's been used for a long time by both sides. A few years ago something similar was used to try and sneak through ID education into the classroom. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:22 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote: > > Woah, that's not an amendment, tha

Re: What was that about no one trying to stop women from using birth control?

2012-03-14 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
Woah, that's not an amendment, that's a whole new friggin bill! In my initial search I didn't see the amended version... talk about playing a game of smoke and mirrors! They took a piece of legislation that had made it partially through the process and ran a "Strike Everything" amendment and add

Re: What was that about no one trying to stop women from using birth control?

2012-03-14 Thread Sam
So we agree, the law doesn't allow the employer to ask all woman for medical records and then fire them if they bought contraceptives? Now that that part is clear. You have an issue with an insurance company asking for proof that money they give you is being used for medical purposes? While I ag

RE: What was that about no one trying to stop women from using birth control?

2012-03-14 Thread Eric Roberts
d, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Eric Roberts < > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > > > > So what was that G? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:54 AM > > To: cf-co

Re: What was that about no one trying to stop women from using birth control?

2012-03-14 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
hreeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > > > > So what was that G? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:54 AM > > To: cf-community > > Subject: Re: What was th

Re: What was that about no one trying to stop women from using birth control?

2012-03-14 Thread Sam
http://e-lobbyist.com/gaits/text/596074 A CORPORATION, EMPLOYER, SPONSOR, ISSUER OR OTHER ENTITY OFFERING THE PLAN MAY STATE RELIGIOUS BELIEFS OR MORAL CONVICTIONS IN ITS AFFIDAVIT THAT REQUIRE THE SUBSCRIBER TO FIRST PAY FOR THE PRESCRIPTION AND THEN SUBMIT A CLAIM TO THE CORPORATION ALONG WITH

Re: What was that about no one trying to stop women from using birth control?

2012-03-14 Thread GMoney
n [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:54 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: What was that about no one trying to stop women from using > birth control? > > > Because AZ is an at-will work state, you can be fired at any time for any > reason. > >

RE: What was that about no one trying to stop women from using birth control?

2012-03-14 Thread Eric Roberts
So what was that G? -Original Message- From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:54 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: What was that about no one trying to stop women from using birth control? Because AZ is an at-will work state, you can be

Re: What was that about no one trying to stop women from using birth control?

2012-03-14 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
Because AZ is an at-will work state, you can be fired at any time for any reason. Wearing blue today? Fired. Don't like Tim Tebow? Fired. Don't want to give your medical records to your employer? This is normally covered under other employment laws as a no-no for employers, a "you can't go there

Re: What was that about no one trying to stop women from using birth control?

2012-03-14 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
H2625 had a title change on 3/1 from DOMESTIC RELATIONS; DISPOSITION OF PROPERTY to INSURERS; HEALTHCARE COVERAGE; RELIGIOUS BELIEFS mainly due to the massive change in focus from ammendment #4443 which was adopted, and finally presented as the house engrossed bill. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at

Re: What was that about no one trying to stop women from using birth control?

2012-03-14 Thread GMoney
* > > -Original Message- > From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:51 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: What was that about no one trying to stop women from using > birth control? > > > Wow, what a way to play fast with facts

Re: What was that about no one trying to stop women from using birth control?

2012-03-13 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
er of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:00 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > *shaking head* > > -Original Message- > From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:51 PM > To

RE: What was that about no one trying to stop women from using birth control?

2012-03-13 Thread Eric Roberts
*shaking head* -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:51 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: What was that about no one trying to stop women from using birth control? Wow, what a way to play fast with facts. The law actually states an

Re: What was that about no one trying to stop women from using birth control?

2012-03-13 Thread Sam
Wow, what a way to play fast with facts. The law actually states an employer doesn't have to PAY for contraceptives unless you can prove they are for medical reasons. How you got "... give an employer the right to fire a woman that uses birth control." is beyond bizarre. Luckily most people are

Re: What was that about no one trying to stop women from using birth control?

2012-03-13 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
Truly amazing. Nehemiah Scudder would be thrilled. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > They aren't trying to stop women from using birth control, they just > want women to be able to fired from their jobs if they are using birth > control. Duh. > > ~

Re: What was that about no one trying to stop women from using birth control?

2012-03-13 Thread Judah McAuley
They aren't trying to stop women from using birth control, they just want women to be able to fired from their jobs if they are using birth control. Duh. Judah On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Here's a propsed law in Arizona that would give an employer the right to > fir