I've said multiple times no, I don't think we should.
-Original Message-
From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 3:51 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: is this true - Obama hinting at negotiating with the Taliban?
> TheScout wrote:
>
> TheScout wrote:
>
> I'd say in the short term it was bad, we could have pulled out sooner,
> leaving them under another dictator.
>
Yeah, but my point was that one of Bremmer's big mistakes was dissing
ALL Baath party members no matter what the in situ occupation plan
was.
The reason is becaus
mmon legal and political history (common law and so forth)
religion and strength have been the two means that people have ruled there.
-Original Message-
From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 2:47 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: is this true - Obama
> TheScout wrote:
> I say treat it like the Baath party, no jobs, no membership in government if
> you were a MEMBER of the Taliban. If you just worked with them you're
> straight.
Hey Scout, I haven't really followed this thread, and I don't know
crap about Afghani politics, but wasn't the Baat
That's what I was wondering, and from LRS Scout's posts, that seems to be
what we are doing now. I'm not trying to find a reason to whack the
President, the wording of the headline just gave me the impression that the
Administration was considering negotiating with the Taliban. If they are
trying
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 2:28 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: is this true - Obama hinting at negotiating with the Taliban?
The defining characteristic of the Taliban is intolerance, Judah.
Especially towards women as anything more than slaves.
The question is: Are the Taliban and the t
unity
Subject: Re: is this true - Obama hinting at negotiating with the Taliban?
There is a lot I don't know. There is a lot you don't know. You may
know more about the region than I. I'm quite familiar with the
Northern Alliance and have looked up the history before I assure you.
The &q
>I will give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he is talking about
>negotiating with individual tribal communities rather than elements of the
>Taliban leadership. If he negotiates with the Taliban, his presidency will
>be over in my eyes.
>
>http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeq
1. This is why I don't take you seriously in the slightest.
An opening that is full of deprecation.
2. Everything is
black and white to you and there is no potential room for moderates.
By putting down Michael's judgement, you cast aspersions on his
opinion without examining it critically.
*sigh*...the Taliban is a religious political movement. Many tribes in
Afghanistan are strongly allied with it. Not all. Most tribes have at
least a segment of the populace that are aligned with it. Some do not.
Within the groups that are allied, historically, with the Taliban,
there are people ar
undation will
> be more solid.
>
> What part of DoS? Or was she "State" ;)
>
> I did mention the OGAs specifically btw.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 2:19 AM
> To: cf-community
> S
Which part did you find disrespectful to the person instead of the
opinion? I find his attacks on positions to be uniformly biased and I
addressed them as such. But if I do not feel that I attacked him as a
person. I'm happy to listen to your critiques.
Judah
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Jud
Ah, I see your problem. You assume that the Taliban runs the tribes. You
assume that the Taliban is made up of the tribes. You assume that they are a
'conservative faction' of the tribes. You assume I'm saying that there are
no moderate PEOPLE from Afghanistan. Sorry to say but your wrong.
The Tal
The defining characteristic of the Taliban is intolerance, Judah.
Especially towards women as anything more than slaves.
The question is: Are the Taliban and the tribes synonymous? That's the
lynchpin on which your argument hangs: That the Taliban lead the
tribes. Not having been to Afghanistan p
ah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com]
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 2:19 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: is this true - Obama hinting at negotiating with the Taliban?
The "she" in question was a State Department employee, so certainly
not a normal civilian. She lived in a hooch
gt; Some bitch from a non-profit ain't gonna change my mind with stories that
> sound like bull shit, even at second hand.
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 1:42 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject:
Judah,
The problem isn't that you disagree. It's how you speak to Michael.
You speak with a great deal of disrespect and are personally attacking
him. You could have made your point, and much more effectively,
without cutting into him that way. For example, the way you just
expressed yourself was
The "she" in question was a State Department employee, so certainly
not a normal civilian. She lived in a hooch and fell asleep in a
blackhawk in full body armor. And hell yes, conditions are horrible in
Afghanistan. Even in the liberated cities. Especially for women. I
never said otherwise. But t
ries that
sound like bull shit, even at second hand.
-Original Message-
From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com]
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 1:42 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: is this true - Obama hinting at negotiating with the Taliban?
Who do you think are in charge of
27;m don't
know.
-Original Message-
From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com]
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 1:57 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: is this true - Obama hinting at negotiating with the Taliban?
I'm supposing that you are speaking to the line where I said
med at levels much higher than
some OGA or military employee. This is a major shift in US policy is the
sort of thing that can only come from people in DC, not near the ground in
question.
-Original Message-
From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com]
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009
I'm supposing that you are speaking to the line where I said that
Michael should "please take it somewhere where you don't run up
against the very complicated and greyscale actual world."
If not, I apologize and will happily seek clarification. If that is
what you mean, that is no call to censors
Who do you think are in charge of the tribes in Afghanistan? You're
saying that quote "there are no moderate elements".I'm saying that you
are full of shit and don't know what you are talking about. I read
your email. The world is a complicated place and you don't seem to
understand that. The Tali
Judah, I think you're on thin ice when you ask the person running the
list to take his views somewhere else. Michael doesn't tell you what
to think -- how do you get off telling him what to think?
Judith
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> This is why I don't take you seri
Let me start by saying you can't read shit for shit to use your own words.
My post did not say Muslims. It said Taliban. It said Hamas. It said
extremists who only operate in black and white. Extremists who have no
problem living in black and white. People who are moderate or see the world
in anyt
This is why I don't take you seriously in the slightest. Everything is
black and white to you and there is no potential room for moderates.
Fine, you've got your cut and dried world view, please take it
somewhere where you don't run up against the very complicated and
greyscale actual world. One o
And next is moderate elements of Hamas, then moderate elements of Hizballah,
then, then, then. I'm sorry to say this in a totally sweeping way but these
organizations have no moderate elements. Those that are moderate either
leave or are killed.
Pakastan has dealt with the 'moderate' elements of
So far I'm hearing that they are talking about individual tribes with Talib
ties.
Let's remember the sunni uprising basically won the post war in Iraq, remove
the recruitment and supply pool from the enemy and they wither and die,
especially in a place like the boarder area. Food, water, and peo
It does say "moderate elements of the Taliban" and references similar
actions in Iraq with the Sunni's. Given that the main Taliban
leadership wants no part of a democratic government and Karazai is
supporting these efforts I think it can safely be said that it isn't
negotiations with the main lea
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Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 5:22 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: is this true?
I have nothing against illegal aliens, just the
terrorist.
-sm
--- "Tangorre, Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Good, then that many less people to worry about. The
> problem is tha
Tangorre, Michael wrote:
>
> It should piss everyone off. It is such a simple concept in theory... Why
> can't it be implemented?
Because in practice, you con't know where home is. Maybe shipping them home is easy for some Syrians on expired visa, but the first thing any illegal/refugee with half
yeah, I knew you would say that. I really hope it is not. I don't see
it on google news, except for worldnet and one anti-immigration blog.
Scary if true though.
Dana
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From: Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:11:34 -0400
Subject:
Considering the source, I really wonder about this story. The
Washington Times is not known for its veracity, and is more know for
letting it Coulter like ideology rule its reporting.
larry
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:18:08 -0600, dana tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Apparently those Syrians were
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:01:22 -0400
Subject: RE: is this true?
To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I like the line: "We believe if an ICE agent were there, they could have
detected the visas had expired."
What special training do ICE agents get to "detect" that a
I like the line: "We believe if an ICE agent were there, they could have
detected the visas had expired."
What special training do ICE agents get to "detect" that a visa has expired?
Since when has the ability to determine when a date is in the past or the
future been relegated to a special agency
I have nothing against illegal aliens, just the
terrorist.
-sm
--- "Tangorre, Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Good, then that many less people to worry about. The
> problem is that there
> are too many exceptions: everyone who is not legally
> here should be forced
> to leave.
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:48:39 -0400
Subject: RE: is this true?
To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Good, then that many less people to worry about. The problem is that there
are too many exceptions: everyone who is not legally here should be forced
to leave.
> -
I agree.
-Original Message-
From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 4:49 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: is this true?
Good, then that many less people to worry about. The problem is that there
are too many exceptions: everyone who is not legally
CF-Community
> Subject: RE: is this true?
>
> That would be a large number of the people living here now.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 4:43 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: is this
That would be a large number of the people living here now.
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From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 4:43 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: is this true?
> Uh oh... Mike's Pissed! ;P
It should piss everyone off. It i
en sure, why not. Good luck though...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 4:26 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: is this true?
>
> Probably...
>
> This makes me so pissed...
> ".
I have to say I find this rather scary. It makes me wonder about that
very thorough investigation that found there was nothing to worry
about.
Dana
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From: Tangorre, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:25:56 -0400
Subject: RE: is this true?
Uh oh... Mike's Pissed! ;P
If you mean _ALL_ illegals, then sure, why not. Good luck though...
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From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 4:26 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: is this true?
Probably...
This makes me so p
agreed
-Original Message-
From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 4:26 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: is this true?
Probably...
This makes me so pissed...
"...visas expired June 10, but the men were not detained."
How about we g
Probably...
This makes me so pissed...
"...visas expired June 10, but the men were not detained."
How about we get all the illegals out of the country and stop letting them
in. If you are not capable of showing current, proper ID then there is the
door.
> Apparently those Syrians were on expire
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