"there always have been. "
Yes, but there seems to be more. That's a good thing.
J
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Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation.
- Henry Kissinger
Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel,
go out and buy some more tunnel. - John
there always have been. I don't remember a 60-minute clip when I looked at
this before, but it was a while ago so I will look again sometime.
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:50 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> "it *is* great, but it's a collection of short videos -- for it to be
> education,
> someone sti
"it *is* great, but it's a collection of short videos -- for it to be
education,
someone still has to put them into context. But hey, if you like that,
you'll probably also like iTunes U, Udacity and OER, if you didn't know
about them already."
First, watch the 60 minutes clip. It discusses the s
it *is* great, but it's a collection of short videos -- for it to be
education, someone still has to put them into context. But hey, if you like
that, you'll probably also like iTunes U, Udacity and OER, if you didn't
know about them already.
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
Just saw an interesting segment on 60 minutes on an alternate source of
education. It is called the: Khan Academy and it's free.
60 minutes:
http://www.current-movie-reviews.com/39828/previews/2012/03/11/60-minutes-tonight-31112-nuclear-iran-khan-academy-and-aerosmith-success/
Khan Academy: ht
"In one semester of neuropsych we had 3 textbooks, each around 200 or so
and this was again 15 years ago. I noticed that the textbook publishers are
really trying to squash digital rentals and used textbook sales."
Hope for the future:
California State Senate bill seeks to create open source
In one semester of neuropsych we had 3 textbooks, each around 200 or
so and this was again 15 years ago. I noticed that the textbook
publishers are really trying to squash digital rentals and used
textbook sales.
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Eric Roberts
wrote:
>
> 20 years ago when, when I w
20 years ago when, when I was a nursing student, we had a new nursing
textbook that cost 268.00...
-Original Message-
From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 6:02 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Republican Party to poor students - Welcome to life
"I have never heard them commonly referred to as that, so, no, I didn't know
that's what you meant. I meant community colleges or 2 year technical
schools."
I didn't make it clear. In this day, when someone refers to a school as a
technical school, it is more often than not assumed to be a CC.
"No child left behind was the worst idea ..."
Amen.
"I think school need to start dumping classes like calculus and trigonometry
and replace them with more useful classes. Intro to managing money would
be a good start. "
Here's a nice scam. The local school system has AP classes. You can
ex
PT [mailto:cft...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 1:46 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Republican Party to poor students - Welcome to life.
On 3/2/2012 2:16 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
> Do you realize that a technical school doesn't necessarily mean a
> community college? Places like
On 3/2/2012 2:16 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
> Do you realize that a technical school doesn't necessarily mean a community
> college? Places like NC State , Texas A&M, and MIT are technical schools.
I have never heard them commonly referred to as that, so, no, I didn't
know that's what you meant.
On 3/2/2012 1:51 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
> I have something towards "bad" education. Currently, the majority of
> public schools systems are doing a horrible job of "educating" children.
> In order to prepare for testing, geometry classes no longer teach proofs.
> What use is geometry without
"If I wanted a code monkey worker drone, sure. If I wanted something more
out of them, I would require a four year degree. Skills can be taught.
How many of us are self-taught? It's why trade school programs are
shorter and easier than 4 year degrees (generally)."
Do you realize that a tech
"Oh, and if the state is running in the RED, and as such can't fund education
for their citizens like they would like, they need to cut some other shit
and get education in there. Because I guarantee that it's more important
than stuff they are currently funding."
I'm cool with that.
The problem
"Jeez, Jerry. Did a nun beat you half to death with a ruler when you were
in grade school? Such venom towards education. =-p"
I have something towards "bad" education. Currently, the majority of
public schools systems are doing a horrible job of "educating" children.
In order to prepare for
day, March 01, 2012 2:32 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Republican Party to poor students - Welcome to life.
"But but I think it's true that education is the single most important thing
to help a society. Why should the government subsidize education?
Because it is so damn important. I
That has more to do with them being adults than whether they are paying for
it or not.
-Original Message-
From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 10:39 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Republican Party to poor students - Welcome to life.
I will
Simple...vouchers don't work. That has already been shown every time
vouchers were implemented.
-Original Message-
From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 10:27 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Republican Party to poor students - Welcome to
nological jumps we made and look at the
booming economy it created. Now we call it elitist and look at where we are
now...
-Original Message-
From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 10:15 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Republican Party to poor stu
On 3/1/2012 3:31 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
> It said the best bang for your
> buck if you are going to hire someone is from a technical school. These
> usually have co-op programs and more classes designed to teach skills. What
> a person majors in matters.
If I wanted a code monkey worker drone,
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> If a state is running in the black and wants to use it excess to fund
> education, it should. Should it stress fields where the graduates can
> actually contribute after graduation. In my opinion yes.
>
>
Naw. I mean, *I* personally would
Jeez, Jerry. Did a nun beat you half to death with a ruler when you
were in grade school? Such venom towards education. =-p
There is a hypothesis that people with fewer resources available to them
regarding education will learn at a slower rate than those more
privileged. Socioeconomic sta
"But but I think it's true that education is the single most important
thing to help a society. Why should the government subsidize education?
Because it is so damn important. If you raise my taxesand i know that
my "investment" (which is what it becomes) is going to be spent so that
more of m
Exactly there have been plenty of research done on this but it boils
down to this. For early childhood education alone, every dollar
invested in quality early care and education saves taxpayers up to
$13.00 (web.mit.edu/workplacecenter/docs/Full%20Report.pdf). And that
ratio increases the further
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> "The overwhelming refusal of some to acknowledge that funding education is
> the best investment we could make astonishes me."
>
> I call bull shit.
>
> If your state is lacking in skilled people and it is not running a deficit,
> it might
I will add to this fascinating discussion that I have noticed a pattern
among my students.
The ones who try the hardest, don't complain, and are generally a pleasure
to work with are the ones paying for their education themselves (most
adults returning for additional education).
Those that don't
"I think it's a sense of entitlement. "
We have a winner.
J
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The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it
can bribe the public with the public's money. - Alexis de Tocqueville
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"The best way they can get out of their situation, is by getting an
education."
Really? How many people has the DC or Detroit school system educated out
of poverty?
The best way to get out of the situation is to get a vocation that pays.
An education in of it self means nothing. It's being ab
"Try a dislike of the right wing."
That fits in with everything else he posts.
Ironically, Larry loves to challenge others for facts when they make broad
sweeping allegations.
Here's one Larry: If Democrats love educations so much, why don't they
support vouchers?
The answer is obvious: Got
"The overwhelming refusal of some to acknowledge that funding education is
the best investment we could make astonishes me."
I call bull shit.
If your state is lacking in skilled people and it is not running a deficit,
it might be worth while to help educate people in certain fields. There is
n
"So what are the people who cannot afford an education supposed to do?'
First, this doesn't answer the question. Why is it the
state's responsibility to pay anyone's tuition.
Second off, do what people have done for years and continue to do:
get a job
join the military
join the military and do
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Eric Roberts
wrote:
> I disagree on the welfare part. If welfare allowed you to live comfortably,
> I would agree...but my personal experience with it says otherwise. Even
> with welfare and food stamps...you are still just scraping by to survive. I
> do think
It really depends Cam. When I was working on my PhD at a public
University I did see it in a few groups, the star athletics students
and the rich students. They definitely had a sense of entitlement.
Those who were paying for it by a mix of scholarships, student loans
and work-studies by and large
a lot, if
given a free education, would appreciate it.
-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:04 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Republican Party to poor students - Welcome to life.
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:23 PM,
I haven't been rich, so I can't really speak to the sense of
entitlement there, but I've been poor and spent years on welfare
growing up. I can say that I never met anyone who said, "this is the
sweet life, I'm not going to get a job because I get everything I need
for free". I'm sure that there a
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Eric Roberts
wrote:
> I think that is more of an attitude of the rich rather than a result of free
> college.
I think it's a sense of entitlement. Anyone who gets everything for
free all the time is going to feel entitled to continue doing no work
and getting fr
Yes it would be...i was just saying it wasn't a new concept
-Original Message-
From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:37 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Republican Party to poor students - Welcome to life.
I think he's saying t
ept.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:03 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Republican Party to poor students - Welcome to life.
>
>
> They are not. Typically there are 3 levels of tu
2 9:03 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Republican Party to poor students - Welcome to life.
>
>
> They are not. Typically there are 3 levels of tuition, in-state, regular
> and
> foreign. Foreign students typically pay the most, followed by students from
> other state
I think that is more of an attitude of the rich rather than a result of free
college.
-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:42 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Republican Party to poor students - Welcome to life.
On
Most states already favor locals...it's not a new concept.
-Original Message-
From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:03 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Republican Party to poor students - Welcome to life.
They are not. Typically
I'd like to see those numbers G...I know far more people who didn't go past
high school who are republican than are democrat.
-Original Message-
From: GMoney [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:01 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Republican Par
google Sallie Mae. Not that I am especially a fan of the process; having a
lot of trouble with my student loans getting re-sold. But they don't have
income requirements, to answer your actual question.
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> How is a poor person going to get a student
The US gubment subsidizes/backs a lot of student loans received through
FASFA. They also provide grants (free money). The state kicks in some
as well, usually.
The unsubsidized loans accrue interest, but payments are deferred as
long as the student performs well and remains in school pursuin
This is the next bubble.
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> Yea...go into debt to get an education. Its the American Way!!!
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Sam wrote:
>> Get a student loan and then pay it back when you finish.
...
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> How is a poor person going to get a student loan?
> What bank would qualify them for a loan?
>
> Basically by agreeing to this you are saying that the poor should not
> receive an education. Then in the next breath one says that the poor should
Aren't student loans based on a persons the future earnings forecasts?
I wonder if a student loan is just as bad as free tuition as far as motivation.
.
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> How is a poor person going to get a student loan?
> What bank would qualify them for a loan
It beats learning to live by the handout.
I think it builds responsibly. Some of us worked during high-school to
help pay for college.
.
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> Yea...go into debt to get an education. Its the American Way!!!
>
~~
How is a poor person going to get a student loan?
What bank would qualify them for a loan?
Basically by agreeing to this you are saying that the poor should not
receive an education. Then in the next breath one says that the poor should
work their way out of their slump.
The best way they can ge
Yea...go into debt to get an education. Its the American Way!!!
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Sam wrote:
>
> Get a student loan and then pay it back when you finish.
>
> .
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Vivec wrote:
>>
>> So what are the people who cannot afford an education supposed
To be fair, the same could be said of the Democratic party, and any
politician, really.
The less educated someone is the easier it is to fool them - and to
get them to vote for you.
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> Well you do realize that the most important demographi
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Maureen wrote:
>
> Polls neq Facts
>
FIne, then go research it yourselfand when you find out it's as I said,
don't blame me for your wasted time.
yeesh.
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Polls neq Facts
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:13 AM, GMoney wrote:
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Maureen wrote:
>
>>
>> And those facts would be located where?
>>
>
> I don't remember where I saw it the last time we talked about it...but i'm
> checking some of the exit polls from recent elec
Get a student loan and then pay it back when you finish.
.
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> So what are the people who cannot afford an education supposed to do?
>
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On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/27/michelle-ugenti-arizona-rep-justifies-tuition-hike_n_1304731.html
>
> "An Arizona House committee passed a bill last week that would require
> every student at a public college in the state, regardless of
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Maureen wrote:
>
> And those facts would be located where?
>
I don't remember where I saw it the last time we talked about it...but i'm
checking some of the exit polls from recent elections on CNN.com right now.
Like i said, i think there's a slight edge to Repu
Try a dislike of the right wing.
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:00 AM, GMoney wrote:
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
>>
>> "Well you do realize that the most important demographic for the Republican
>> party is the uneducated."
>>
>> Can you back that up with any facts?
>
And those facts would be located where?
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:00 AM, GMoney wrote:
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
>>
>> "Well you do realize that the most important demographic for the Republican
>> party is the uneducated."
>>
>> Can you back that up with any fa
They are not. Typically there are 3 levels of tuition, in-state,
regular and foreign. Foreign students typically pay the most, followed
by students from other states, and then in-state students. So what is
wrong with favoring students from the state. People who go to college
in their home state te
The overwhelming refusal of some to acknowledge that funding education
is the best investment we could make astonishes me.
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 6:57 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> So what are the people who cannot afford an education supposed to do?
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> "Well you do realize that the most important demographic for the Republican
> party is the uneducated."
>
> Can you back that up with any facts?
>
The facts actually speak to the other direction. Registered republicans
tend to have more s
So what are the people who cannot afford an education supposed to do?
On 28 February 2012 10:49, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> Exactly why is it the state's responsibility to pay or help pay the tuition
> of any student?
>
>
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Ord
"Bastion of GOP ideals and the peace, love and harmony that comes from
Faith. What would Jesus Do? Charge the poor bastards and say Welcome to
Life [bitches]."
Exactly why is it the state's responsibility to pay or help pay the tuition
of any student?
After teaching for years at the local commu
"Well you do realize that the most important demographic for the Republican
party is the uneducated."
Can you back that up with any facts?
J
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Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation.
- Henry Kissinger
Politicians are people who, when they see light at the e
Well you do realize that the most important demographic for the
Republican party is the uneducated.
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/27/michelle-ugenti-arizona-rep-justifies-tuition-hike_n_1304731.html
>
> "An Arizona House committee passed
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/27/michelle-ugenti-arizona-rep-justifies-tuition-hike_n_1304731.html
"An Arizona House committee passed a bill last week that would require
every student at a public college in the state, regardless of economic
status, to pay a minimum of $2,000 in tuition."
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